Pediatrician Punished for Senate Testimony: The Package Insert Was Blank | Dr. Renata Moon

[00:00:00] Dr. Renata Moon is double board certified in general pediatrics and also in hospital pediatrics by the American Board of Pediatrics. She joins me today to talk about how she was censored and lost her job after speaking out about COVID in 2022 at a hearing that Senator Ron Johnson held. I'm Jenny Beth Martin. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show.

[00:00:38] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. Dr. Renata Moon, thank you so much for joining me today. Yeah, thank you for having me on. So you are a pediatrician and I think that children and parents were affected very uniquely from COVID and the lockdowns, especially considering the fact that children were the most likely to get COVID without even having a single symptom and the most likely to survive.

[00:01:08] Yet I think in many ways they suffered some of the worst consequences from the lockdowns because of the fear, the loss of education, the loss of socialization. What did you see as a pediatrician? Yeah, it's a very sad question, really. I was practicing in Washington State and I was working in a clinic, but also working in a hospital as a hospital physician and also working as a professor of medicine at several medical schools as COVID hit.

[00:01:37] And so I saw what happened in the clinic and in the hospital setting. We were not admitting children by any large extent to the hospital with COVID. Yes, there were admissions like there are every year from viruses that happens with, you know, kids become dehydrated. They get they get not feeling well, but it was quite rare actually for your child to be admitted with COVID. And certainly the fatalities, thankfully, were extremely low.

[00:02:05] If you look at nationally, it was something like point zero zero zero two percent of children had a, you know, had a fatality from COVID. So very low number. So I saw a lot of kids with, you know, mild cold symptoms and they tested positive for COVID. But what I saw that really alarmed me was and I've never seen this before in my entire career. You know, we see kids all the time who have a fever and kids were in with fevers, of course.

[00:02:34] But this time they were so scared by what was happening. And and what was being told to them about COVID, the fear from COVID that I had kids in my office with fevers who were crying and asking me if they were going to die. And I've never I've never seen that, you know, eight year olds, 10 year olds sobbing in my office, looking at me with terror and asking me if they were going to die.

[00:03:00] And so I spent most of that first, you know, few months of the COVID pandemic just reassuring kids. I said, no, of course not. Of course you're not going to die. You're you're fine. But just the level of fear and in this fear continued and it went on so terribly long. We were at least a year into the pandemic, maybe a year and a half into it. And I had kids coming into the office, literally shaking in front of me.

[00:03:26] And I would say to them, you know, how can I do to help? What's what's going on? And they would tell me I haven't left my house. And I said, what do you mean? Like since when? And they had not left. Some of these kids had not left their home in over a year because they didn't understand what COVID was. You know, they're their kids. They didn't they thought they could catch it from the air in their backyard. I said, have you even been outside? And the answer from a number of them was no.

[00:03:55] I haven't even left my basement bedroom. You know, I've been in my home hiding from this thing called COVID. So the level of fear that we instilled in our children was terrifying to see kids who wouldn't take their masks off in front of me in the office. They had them literally like figuratively super glued to their faces. And I would just gently say to them, look, I need to look at your mouth. Is that OK?

[00:04:20] And they would take it off for a millisecond and pop that mask right back on again. You know, so what I saw was our public health system catastrophically fail in the education of people, younger children, teenagers, by not explaining to them what COVID was, by not reassuring them that their risk of a fatality from COVID was. I mean, even today we see this, right? You see this when you're in the airport. You see this when you're driving.

[00:04:50] You see a person still riding a bicycle on the side of the road by themselves, even today in 2026. And they're wearing a mask. You know, we're still seeing that level of fear that was instilled in our population. Yeah. I was in a hotel this week and was around a lady. I saw her a few times in the hotel and she had a mask on the entire time. Yeah.

[00:05:16] And I just my heart went out to her because she she must still be living in such incredible fear. At least she was out and in a hotel. So that probably was a huge, huge risk to her in in her mind. And I just I feel so sad for these people. I because the the fear is so deep for some people even still today.

[00:05:44] Yeah, I nothing but empathy for people like that because they have had much terror the last six years. This has been going on for so long now that to see someone in 2026 still feeling like they have to wear this thing over their face. It's just tragic. It really is. But our children, you know, they really haven't had classes in microbiology. They haven't had classes that they don't even know what a virus is. It's some mystery thing that could kill them, according to the media.

[00:06:12] Yet when you look at the statistics that obviously their risk of dying from covid was really similar to a bad year of the flu. You know, a very low statistic didn't understand that. Yeah. Yeah. It just. It's horrible what happened. And I hope that people can can learn from this so that it doesn't happen again in the future.

[00:06:40] And that's something I think that you were trying to convey even in the middle of it. And you went to a hearing that Senator Ron Johnson hosted. And then you you face consequences from that. So what tell tell us about that. But first talk about what happened at the hearing and what your message was at that hearing. Yeah, I was invited to speak at a Senator Johnson hearing Senate hearing in Washington, D.C.

[00:07:07] And at that point we were into the actually it was the fall of 2022 when I was invited. And at that point, this had gone on, I thought, for so long. I thought, my goodness, what is happening here? This is why are we pushing? Why are we being asked to push this covid-19 shot on children? Again, we knew they had a statistical zero risk of a fatality from covid. So I went as a concerned citizen to the Senate hearing.

[00:07:35] I paid for my own airfare in my hotel and I spoke at the Senate hearing. And you can watch the video. A lot of people did see it. I simply showed a package insert from a box of mRNA product. Now, to be clear, I wasn't planning to give it to a child. I had never ordered it for a patient. I was not recommending or ordering the covid shot for any of my patients. But I had I was in a clinic where they did have the back. They call it the vaccine, but it was more of a genetic shot, as we know.

[00:08:05] So I was in a clinic where I was able to pull the package insert out of a box of mRNA product. And it said intentionally blank on on both sides is this big, massive piece of paper. I showed that at the hearing. I questioned how anyone even knew for sure what was in the bottle when you had a package insert that was blank. I'd never seen anything like that black blank package insert, you know, during my whole career. And I said we're being censored and silenced.

[00:08:34] I said in my community, in my world, I've seen a massive increase in myocarditis, which used to be extraordinarily rare. But during the time that the shots rolled out, we began to hear about cases with way too much frequency. There clearly was a massive increase in the cases. And I just questioned what was happening. Why is this being recommended for children? And I even stated this is my anecdotal testimony. I was careful when I spoke.

[00:09:04] I issued a press release according to the Senate guidelines that I had received. So they had asked us not to give a verbal disclaimer because it would take up too much airtime. So I had issued a written press release just stating that, you know, my words were my own. I was not there representing any other entity. And so I expressed my concerns at a U.S. Senate hearing. And as a result of that testimony, my medical school, where I was working as a professor, launched an investigation against me.

[00:09:34] Ultimately, I lost my position as a professor at the end of July. Sorry, at the end of June 2023. So just a few months later, I lost my position by non-renewal of my faculty contract. I never heard results of their investigation during that period of time. And about a week and a half after my testimony. Sorry, I'm getting all.

[00:10:01] About a week and a half after I was no longer a professor at the medical school. The medical school reported my testimony at that Senate hearing to my medical board to investigate my state medical license. Simply for speaking to my own government. Yeah. That is absolutely horrible.

[00:10:21] And it you were just there speaking, exercising your First Amendment rights to speak and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, which is exactly what you were doing. You were literally speaking to the government, exercising your First Amendment rights and the medical school just bared down on you and punished you.

[00:10:47] And there was very it seems to me they were trying to send a message to you and to anyone else who dared to speak out. They were trying to suppress First Amendment rights of of not just you, but of anyone else who had the the courage to speak out in question. Blank, blink side effect pages from a vaccine. Yeah, it was it was really astonishing.

[00:11:15] And I I've shared this, you know, many times before on air, but I'm first generation. I was born here in the U.S., proud American to parents who fled from behind the communist Iron Curtain. And so it was especially honestly terrifying to watch this happening in America. I sat in my car as I received that email from the school that they had terminated my position by not renewing my contract.

[00:11:43] At that point, I didn't know that they had reported me on top of it to the medical board. But this whole thing was just surreal. It felt like something out of the history books. This is not what happens in America. We have a First Amendment. Nowhere is our free speech more protected than to our own federal government like I had been doing. I had been speaking at that Senate hearing.

[00:12:06] If we can't speak to the people who are making decisions about our lives, we can't even have any input into what is happening with the decisions that they are, you know. Making. It's over for all of us. This is why we have a First Amendment. This is why our forefathers were so wise and they put the First Amendment into into our into our paperwork, the structure of our government. Yes, that's exactly right.

[00:12:35] And, Rennie, I have seen as I've interacted with doctors and other people, but especially doctors who stood up against these these mandates and lockdowns, that the people who emigrated here from other countries and especially the ones who who either they emigrated or their parents emigrated from a communist country. They were there.

[00:12:59] They are some of the ones who are the most vocal because what what we saw play out in in front of us during all of these lockdowns, bypassing congressional action, bypassing state legislative action, bypassing the normal county commission and city council process and an executive just decreeing what it was going to be, what the rules were. They could change from day to day. You never knew what they were.

[00:13:27] We're living really living in a situation where it was rule of man, not rule of law. And the people from those former Soviet, the former Soviet Union or from other communist countries were just raising their voices, raising their hands and saying, this is wrong. This is what we we either we personally or our parents escaped from. And this cannot happen here in America. I can't even imagine.

[00:13:57] Are your parents still alive? Yeah, my father has passed. My mother is still alive. And she absolutely 100 percent sees this for what it is. I you know, again, I was born here in our beautiful America. But when I was 12, I visited behind the Iron Curtain. I visited the communist country that my mom was born in to see relatives. And I lived there for about two months with them, actually a little over two months.

[00:14:26] So I saw this firsthand. And once you see it, you can't unsee it. This is the same system coming in to our country. And it's coming in in many ways because of the same reasons that it's come into other countries previously. It's no one really knows what to do. It starts to come in and they come after this person. They come after this person and they take over the machinery of the government of your country. You know, so people don't quite know what to do.

[00:14:56] And before it's before long, it's too late. They're all handcuffed by this. They can't fight it because the system will get them also. So we're in the very early stages of a communist country right now here in America. Yes, we absolutely are. And we're seeing that in in the Democrat primaries right now as the Democrat Socialists of America who truly are Marxists. They are communists, are winning primaries around the country.

[00:15:25] We see it in New York City with Mayor Mondami. And you're right. They take over they take over the system of government. Then they use the government as a weapon against the people to force them to comply. And when they don't comply, there are consequences and they make the consequences very, very personal. They try to make examples of people so that others will be too afraid to speak out.

[00:15:55] And that's exactly what was happening with you. They wanted to make an example of you so others would be too afraid to speak out. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt, but I can actually give you a quick example, I think, that helps people understand. So when my after my mother had fled from her homeland and she was she was long gone by then. She was a happy American with an American passport and American citizenship legally immigrating here.

[00:16:23] But she had illegally left her communist homeland. She had fled the political persecution that she was experiencing. They tried her in her absence behind the Iron Curtain. They her case went to a court of law. She was tried for failing to return to her nation. And she was sentenced to like three years or two years of hard prison camp labor should she ever be caught and returned to the communist system.

[00:16:51] And so my grandfather actually sat in on the hearing quietly in the back. And the judge, you know, pronounced the sentence. And then after the courtroom had cleared, the judge actually came down and spoke to my grandfather. And he said to him, he said, where is she? And my grandfather said, she's in America. And the judge said, he just kind of smiled. And he said, tell her we wish her well. Because they were all caught up in the system, too.

[00:17:20] The judge had to make that pronouncement or he would suffer the consequences. Right. That's how communism works, is that it entraps all of us in ways that we are handcuffing ourselves. We're shackling ourselves as part of these systems as they fully become entrenched and take hold. Your mother exhibited an enormous amount of courage. And so it's no surprise to me that you have that same kind of of courage.

[00:17:47] I suspect that when she stayed in America, she never imagined, maybe she did, that she would be tried in her absence for failing to return. And I know when you went and spoke at that hearing, you never imagined the enormous consequences to your professional life that you would face just for speaking out, especially in America.

[00:18:12] Yeah, to be honest, I, you know, things were obviously during COVID, we all saw crazy things happening. But it never occurred to me that my words at a Senate hearing would literally work to destroy my career, to really, really harm my career. Because that's what happened. They took my words at the Senate hearing where I simply did what I thought was the right thing. And I still continue, obviously, to think that I did the right thing, of course. But I had to speak.

[00:18:42] It was my obligation to speak when asked to speak by a U.S. senator and to express my concerns about what was happening with children. You know, so, yes, it was it was something I sort of fell into because I never thought that our system was so far down this path of communism that my words at a Senate hearing would be used against me and would harm a career that I've worked very hard for. But I want to be crystal clear.

[00:19:36] And I think it would be very, very soon if this continues. That's that's the concern I have is that is that people are sitting quietly and listening and saying, oh, this is wrong. But everyone's like, what do I do? And I get that. We don't quite all know what to do. But speaking is what you have to do. You have to wake people up for the nightmare that we are experiencing. That's right. And when when it comes to I suppose there are two different things I want to ask you about speaking up.

[00:20:05] The first one is just to the average American. So they've seen many people online, especially have seen the Fauci diaries. They probably watched at least clips of the hearing, if not the entire Fauci hearing chair by Senator Rand Paul. And in there I'm many people right now are being social media warriors and speaking out on social media. And that's very important. And I'm not at all downplaying that.

[00:20:34] I think it's also important to take that knowledge that you have, try to to figure out a way to communicate it quickly to other people so that you can go back and talk to your friends and your family, your your neighbors, your colleagues who maybe are still if they're still wearing a mask. I don't we need to pray for those people. They're they're not going going to listen.

[00:21:00] But but the ones who maybe are still not quite sure what to make of Fauci, because by by saying, oh, wow, his diary said all of that. He actually suffered from from consequences after he took the shot or or he was so so egomaniacal in his diary, whatever it might be that that you're honing in on trying to convince people who thought Fauci was was was a god.

[00:21:28] That maybe he wasn't a god. You have to find a way to do that. So you're winning hearts and minds. But opening the conversation and encouraging them to just read his diaries, to go watch the full hearing, to listen to the questions that he did not answer and to to really pay attention to the questions themselves. I think is something everyone can go do. And it's not that hard.

[00:21:55] And you don't have to be confrontational and in your face with people. Just encourage them to to read and to watch and to listen. I agree. I think just be very matter of fact. We're not asking people to go, you know, speak in front of a congressional hearing. I think, you know, speak to your family and your friends, but don't tiptoe around this. This is this is affecting your life. This is affecting their lives. We're all on the same boat. And, you know, again, I like to have analogies.

[00:22:24] I think they hope we're all on the Titanic with this. You know, we've taken on water. We've hit the iceberg and we're sinking and we're all we're all on the same boat. We have to start speaking out about this to one another and to wake people up as much as you possibly can. You know, another thing that you can use and this this does seem to work is, you know, look up my situation with the medical school and for having spoken at the Senate hearing.

[00:22:50] This is going to be increasingly public this fall as the story comes out more about what happened. But ask them, say to your friends, if they're unsure, say, why can't a pediatrician even question the COVID shot? Why can't she even question the COVID shot to her own federal government without her career being hurt and ask themselves, why is this COVID shot still on the vaccine schedule for children?

[00:23:18] Why are they still pushing this for children six months and up? And if they start to ask that question, if people really listen to that question, most people at this point understand that children never were at risk from COVID, any significant statistical risk of fatality from COVID. And so they can start to go down that that questioning pathway of, yeah, why is that? The answers are not happy. Right. So.

[00:23:47] So be a be a critical thinker like you are if you're listening to this show. And speak out and wake people up around you. We need more people to speak out. Yeah, we absolutely do. And the when you're evaluating whether you have whether to have medical care or not, you always have to look at the risk versus the reward. And the problem with the shots is that oftentimes you don't have any idea what the risk are.

[00:24:16] You hear what the reward might be, but you don't know what what the risk is. And that was one of the things you were trying to convey in that hearing. It wasn't just about the fact that the insert was blank. Also, you were seeing an increase in myocarditis. Yeah. How how frequently did young people get that before 2020? You know, I'm I'm double board certified. I'm boarded as a general pediatrician and as a hospital pediatrician.

[00:24:44] And I've practiced for almost right around 30 years at this point. Scary. Right. But in that period of time, I've seen maybe I know I saw one case way back decades ago. I think I had a second case right around that early part of my, you know, practices and attending physician. That's it. I've seen two cases probably in my entire career so far. It's it was very rare prior to COVID.

[00:25:13] And, you know, I have cardiology friends who are adult cardiologists who tell me that I can tell me just recently one of them told me I can count on one hand. He said how many cases of myocarditis I saw as a practicing cardiologist for all these years. It was extraordinarily rare. And then during COVID, we began to hear about it. I'm not saying I saw all these cases, but I was hearing about them from from family and friends and colleagues across the country.

[00:25:42] To the point where it was obvious to me that we had a massive increase in those cases. People don't come up to you and say, oh, I have myocarditis. You know, they don't even know what it is unless you're in the medical field. People it's not as it's not a sign or a symptom. It's a diagnosis. So if they're telling someone that they were, you know, told they have myocarditis, they've been diagnosed with myocarditis. It's, you know, so there was clearly a massive increase.

[00:26:11] I had nurses coming up to me from the hospital where I had, you know, where I had previously worked. I had paramedics that I knew telling me they were seeing an increase in these these situations, these these problems with the heart immediately following the COVID shots. And the first responders that I spoke with were the most detailed about this.

[00:26:33] Even they told me they would they after the COVID shots rolled out for children, they were increasingly being called to middle school and high school track fields. And they would find usually a teenager sitting there clutching their chest or complaining about a heart feeling. And they learned very quickly, some of them to ask, when was your most recent COVID booster? When was your most recent COVID shot? Because the answer was inevitably like, you know, a week ago, maybe five days ago.

[00:27:03] Oh, my mom just took me for it, you know, on Sunday. And this is this is Wednesday. They were getting positive answers from that. So, you know, people were seeing this and yet we were told to be quiet. Well, you were told to be quiet and you were also told to ignore what you know about science.

[00:27:22] When you when we when I studied science in high school and in elementary school and a little bit in in college, I did not like science. So I didn't do a lot with it. But one of the things we learned is that there are theories and then you question it and you either prove that your theory is correct or you research it and find that your theory is wrong. It's the scientific method.

[00:27:50] And it seems that when it came to like what you were just describing about myocarditis, they didn't want they didn't want anyone to ask the questions. They didn't want to build the case. They didn't want to have the evidence for it. They just wanted to pretend like it did not exist. And if they didn't record it, they didn't ask when was the last covid shot and keep track of it with with the with the cases of of heart issues, then then it wouldn't be real.

[00:28:20] And I think that that's one of the things that frustrates me the most as a just as an average citizen is that doctors ignored what they were trained to do as scientists and public health officials did as well. Absolutely. That's exactly what happened.

[00:28:37] But even more alarming, I think, is, again, like you pointed out earlier, what message did my termination from the medical school with the non-renewal of my contract over this whole situation? What message did that send to medical students and faculty nationwide? The message is you better be quiet. You better not question anything, because if you do, we're going to come after you.

[00:29:03] And so we are seeing an entire generation of new physicians being raised in this type of an atmosphere, this type of an environment that worries me honestly. Endlessly, endlessly. That worries me endlessly because this next generation of physicians is being taught that it is normal to report your professors. It is normal to come after anyone who, you know, is is using their mind to think about things.

[00:29:33] It's normal to just follow a protocol and to not question a thing. They're they've normalized this for the next generation of physicians. And we're in trouble because every year that goes by, we're generating a new crop of physicians that have been raised in this type of environment. Yeah, it is a it's just this is a huge problem.

[00:29:55] And part of the reason that we have positive outcomes from covid is because we had doctors like you and especially that you were treating more of pediatricians, the doctors who are treating treating adults.

[00:30:13] And they they were working to treat the symptoms and they and several doctors told me if we treat the symptoms like we do any time someone comes to us and they're feeling sick and they they we don't know everything that's completely wrong. But we give them a steroid to reduce to reduce swelling and we give them an antibiotic if they've got a an infection and and whatever, whatever the normal protocol is or the procedures are.

[00:30:41] The point is, they're taking a drug and they're treating the symptom. They're taking a vitamin. They're treating the symptom and they're they're going through and basically creating a cocktail and giving it to the patients. That helped a lot of the patients survive in your way that risk benefit analysis that I was talking about before. It's known medication that medicines that have been around a while and you know what the the side effects are for them and, you know, they treat the the symptoms by doing that.

[00:31:11] You you're using your brain. You see something brand new you've never seen before, but you have seen the symptoms. So, you know how to think it through critically to come up with a treatment that might help the patient.

[00:31:24] But if all that you're being taught is do whatever the people ahead above you tell you to do and never question it and never think, then if a novel virus comes about again, this next generation of physicians may not even know how to how they're not going to know how to respond to it because they haven't been taught how to think properly. Absolutely. It's it's really, again, rather terrifying because again, these this new generation of physicians is this is what they do.

[00:31:54] They point and click and they follow the protocol. They follow the algorithm and they as far as they're concerned, they're done. What we saw with covid was clearly a nightmare. When have we ever told people? When have we ever told people we have nothing we can do to help you come back when you're dying, you know, seven to 10, 11 days later with covid. That's what people were being told. How outrageous is that?

[00:32:18] And thankfully, we had wonderful physician colleagues who said no to that across the country. And they helped a lot of people with the early treatments that they provided without a doubt. We told them if you come back when you're dying. We also told them don't get screen screenings for mammograms. Don't get your colonoscopy. Don't go go to the eye doctor or to the dentist or to your routine checkup. Don't have your your heart check.

[00:32:44] Like all of the normal things that we normally did to treat patients and for people to mean to to be well and to make sure that they weren't that they were detecting if things were not going right in their body early so that they could treat it before it turned into a major problem. We we told them don't go to the doctor. Yeah. Stay away from your doctor. And in people did that. And it just.

[00:33:10] Well, the I think one of the what should have happened is, is the physicians should have stopped that. They should have said, are you kidding us? We're not going to do that. We've been we've been treating patients for decades. This is what we do. Don't tell us what to do. But instead, so many of my colleagues, our colleagues rolled over. They just completely rolled over and they began to absorb this vocabulary that they were they were being taught through propaganda. These these words, disinformation, misinformation.

[00:33:39] That's all propaganda. Right. What does that mean? Misinformation. You know, I was accused of misinformation when I provided the blank package insert to this at the Senate hearing when I showed that. When I said with my own eyes, I am seeing a massive increase of myocarditis in my community. When I shared that at that Senate hearing, I was accused of disinformation, misinformation. Think about it for a second.

[00:34:06] That means that no one can ever question anything because this was a novel product that had just been launched into the population. Right. So, of course, we have to question it. But we have been told to shut up and to stand down as a medical community. And so many of our colleagues did exactly that. Exactly that. It's it's hard to understand the level of groupthink that they were caught up in and they continue to exhibit even today. Yeah.

[00:34:35] The the the continue to exhibit it. And then I I've gone I've changed my doctors. I moved in the last several years and I had to find new doctors. If I go to a doctor, it doesn't matter what their specialty is. And I've gone to doctors with who have specialties as well as just a general practitioner.

[00:35:00] And all they're doing is looking at the computer and they're asking me questions and then they're just typing the answer in and they're not stopping to ask me and have a conversation and understand what I'm saying. I don't ever go back. I'm like, I'm done. I'm I'm I'm more than your computer screen. And that happens to us, too. The last time I went to my primary care physician who was assigned to me by the insurance company, I never saw his face except for maybe for 10 seconds.

[00:35:28] He had his back to me the entire time was typing into the computer, barely examined me and then asked me what I wanted to do about a minor thing that was happening. He asked me what I wanted to do. Why am I here to have him give me advice? This is ridiculous. Use your feet and walk out the door.

[00:35:47] If that's happening to you, if you are in a pediatric office and your pediatrician is telling you that you have to do X, Y or Z or they're going to fire you from the practice, that scares people, right? Because no one wants to be fired from a practice. Well, you know what? We're in a new day and we're in a new age. If you can possibly do that, walk out the door, be fired by that practice. You fire them, fire them and leave.

[00:36:14] You know, find a different position, find a different health care professional to care for your child. This is this is beyond ridiculous. I've seen the pediatric world turn into this tyrannical place where we're now where it used to be. You can get a second opinion, a third opinion. And now it's turned into you will do what we say or we're going to kick you out. That's what it's turned into increasingly around the country. It's terrifying. You know what happened to informed consent?

[00:36:43] Yeah, it is absolutely terrifying. So we we lived in a part of the country that we were in Georgia. So we opened we reopened very quickly. The governor never really shut things down the way the way most other states were shut down in the first place. So I got I had a hair appointment that did not get canceled. And I went to the hair appointment right after the governor reopened.

[00:37:10] I think the second day after the salon had been open and it was the first salon to reopen in the entire country. And it happened like three, maybe four weeks after the initial 15 days to slow the spread. So I'm very thankful for for the governor Kemp had the courage to to just say, I'm not going to let people sit at home and go broke while their businesses are not operating. We're going to let them go work.

[00:37:36] And I trust them to be he essentially I'm I'm paraphrasing what he said, but he essentially said, I trust them to make sure they keep a clean environment that doesn't have a lot of germs in it in their businesses. And that if you're sick, you stay home. And if you know someone who's sick, you take care of them. And it worked. And that that's how it should have been. And then my school system was one of the first ones to reopen in the entire country.

[00:38:04] It opened on August 1st of 2020. And they did some stupid things when they reopened. They were but they were trying to get open and they're trying to manage and juggle and balance all this guidance that change from day to day. From the American Pediatric Association and also from the Centers for Disease Control.

[00:38:25] And so we wound up being in the situation where they they they said if somebody had if you you were if you tested not if you're showing any symptoms at all, but if you tested positive for covid, then everyone sitting within six feet of you and every single class had to be quarantined for two weeks.

[00:38:46] And so they would bring out a tape measure, measure a circumference around the the chairs. And then you never knew like if your number was going to be called. It was horrible. It just was mentally the most awful thing I can imagine doing to kids because they never knew like if if all of a sudden their number was going to be called and they were the ones who are going to be stuck at home. So they they did all this.

[00:39:15] And then as this stuff was happening, I think that it must have been in the springtime. So we get through all of that. And then in the springtime. So covid had been around for over a year at this point. The doctor's office that we went to, the pediatrician's office that we went to sent some email out saying it's springtime. Viruses are on the rise and the school system really needs to shut down and have kids go to to online learning.

[00:39:44] And I called the pediatrician's office up because they sent it to the school board and they sent it to all of the parents and email. And and I just said, why are you doing this? Why are you encouraging this? We already know the side effects of shutdowns had on our children. You shouldn't be doing this. And also we know the percentage of children who are dying from covid. It's like point zero, zero, zero. And you said two. I knew it was less than than one percent. Yeah.

[00:40:14] And they got really angry at me and they hung up on me and they never asked my name. So like a week or two later, I had to go in and my son needed a physical and a sign off so he could do something at summer camp that year. Wow. And so I go back in and speak to the doctor and something came up about covid. And I asked a couple of pointed questions.

[00:40:39] Now, the poor doctor didn't know what to do with me because I've been in touch with people like you and Simone Gold and Joe Latipo and Dr. Richard Urso and so many doctors from around the country. I probably knew more about covid than the doctor did. And I don't I don't say that lightly. It's just I was in conversations with doctors for six hours a day every single day of my life for a year. And sometimes it was 18 to 20 hours a day. So.

[00:41:08] I questioned her on a couple of things and she just she's like writing some notes and she puts her pen down and she goes, you were the one who called. And I said, yeah, I was. And she was so angry. She started yelling at me and I said, don't yell at me. I'm not yell yelling at you. And she was so mad, like just infuriated with me. And I was pointing to scientific papers, pointing to news articles. I knew it all.

[00:41:38] I could quote it all off the top of my head. One of them was from something that The New York Post had reported. And she said, the New York Post. And I said, yeah, you know, the paper that Alexander Hamilton started. It's been around since basically the birth of our country. I know it's not a medical paper, but I should not know how to handle me. The point is, you have to stand up.

[00:42:01] And I just figured if she was going to not sign the paper, well, I did know a lot of other doctors so I could figure out a way to get my son taken care of. I think I took my daughter back one more time. They were 18, getting ready to graduate. And they didn't need the pediatrician anymore. I was like, I'm never. I recommend if I find out somebody is going to that physician, the pediatrician's office, I'm like, you need to find a different one.

[00:42:27] Because they care more about the rules and the procedures and sticking your children than they do about listening to you and your concerns and addressing them. And that's just wrong. And they may be right. Maybe your kids need some shots and not others. I don't know. I'm not the doctor on that. I'm not trying to get into all of that. But the point is, they didn't want any questions. You as a patient couldn't question.

[00:42:56] It's turned into a world where you can't question anymore. It's just, you know, and I saw that happening. Again, I was teaching the next generation of physicians for most of my career. So I've seen this wave of this happening. And it really started just prior to COVID. In the years prior to COVID, what I was seeing was a massive increase in people calling child protective, services, reporting families for things that, now look, I've seen my fair share of horrible child abuse. We could go down that road.

[00:43:25] But children do get severely abused. And we do need to have a system in place to protect them. But what I was seeing was an egregious over-reporting to the system for people who just wanted a second opinion, for parents who just asked a question. I mean, this was getting to the point where I said to my residents, I said, you need to be very careful because the amount of power that you hold as a physician who can report these families is immense.

[00:43:54] And if you use that for evil rather than good, woe to all of us, right? So absolutely, we've come to a place where in many communities, people can't even question their pediatric office physicians, their staff. They can't even ask a question. And yet they're saying, oh, well, we're all for informed consent. Of course you're not.

[00:44:16] If you haven't informed people and you're not allowing them to give true and free consent, then you've absolutely lost the definition of that completely. Yeah. We have to stand our ground now. And here's the problem for most of us. It is really hard to buck the system, right? It's really hard to do what you just told us that you did and how brave you were with your pediatric office. It's hard for people to do that.

[00:44:40] But we need you to dig into yourselves, into the inner part of yourselves and find that strength and that courage because you literally are fighting for the future for your children right now and your grandchildren. If we don't fight this monster now, this evil system that's coming down upon us all, then it's over for all of us. So please find that inner strength and get out there and try to, you know, try to do that. Speak to people. Be courageous.

[00:45:08] Walk out the door if your pediatrician or your physician is not helping you. I'm very blunt about this right now. I say at this point, we're so far into this whole situation that at this point, if your physician doesn't see what's been happening at this point, they are either not very smart, i.e. the useful idiots that they call them in communism, right? It's a terrible term, but it works.

[00:45:35] They're not very smart or they are complicit. And either one of those people you don't want to be seeing. Like, do you want someone who's not very smart taking care of your loved one? No. Do you want someone who's complicit with this system and is going to yell at you for asking questions? No. So do what you can. Walk out the door. Find an independent physician who is not part of a big network where they're being forced by their employer to say things.

[00:46:02] A system that I'm not going to name, but I'm very familiar with. The CEO, within the last few months, I heard him, told this huge group of physicians, you will be recommending the COVID shot for children six months and up. That's what we do as an institution. Since when did that happen?

[00:46:23] Since when did someone high up the food chain in an institution think that they could tell every physician who's practicing what they should or shouldn't be doing? But that's what we're seeing nationwide. It's not good. No, it is absolutely not good. And what you just said about being able to dig deep and be able to speak up, it's not just when it comes to doctors either.

[00:46:48] We have to be able to do this because this machine is bearing down on us from the medical community. And it's also bearing down on us in other parts of our lives. And we've got to be able to stand up and to speak out and to have the courage to do so. Yes, absolutely. And I think we all have that. You know, if you're listening to this program, you have the curious mind and you're asking what's going on. What can I do? That's what you can do. That's what we all can do.

[00:47:17] Dr. Rennie Moon, thank you so much for joining me today. And thank you for the courage that you had to speak out and to continue to stand up for the truth. Yeah, thank you for having me. If you enjoyed today's conversation, go ahead and hit like and subscribe. It really helps us reach more people who care about liberty and the Constitution. You can find this and other episodes at JennyBestShow.com, as well as Facebook, YouTube, Rumble, Instagram, X, and your favorite podcast platform.

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