Surviving Communism: The Biggest Lie Is That You Will Own the Factories | Panel

[00:00:00] A new constitution, public ownership of the largest corporations, abolish the Senate, abolish the Electoral College, abolish the police, abolish prisons. That is what the Democratic Socialists of America want. Those are their words from their program. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin and this is our Surviving Communism series.

[00:00:34] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. In the last panel discussion episode, we talked about the DSA promises. In this one, we talk about what it takes to deliver those promises. Our Communism survivors are Sasha Gong from China Dr. Yuri Yarim-Agaev from the Soviet Union Agnes Gibboney from Hungary

[00:01:02] Ovidiu Frusina from Romania Manuela Callini, also from Romania Captain Onofre Gutierrez from Nicaragua And now, here's our panel. It is ridiculous because we understand and we understand history and I, thankfully I've, I've read history. I didn't live this the way that you each have.

[00:01:28] But this sounds wonderful. I mean, if you're sitting there struggling with your bills or you feel like you can't get a house right now, this is the solution. This is what they think. Go, go. So show it to me. Show me where has this been implemented. I want to go. I want to go. Yeah, I read it like, yeah.

[00:01:45] So no debt is great. In Romania, you couldn't borrow money. So there is no debt. Okay. No health insurance. Well, you don't need health insurance because you have, you know, social medicine. Right.

[00:01:59] So all you do is you show your birth certificate and they will take care of you. Like I mentioned, maybe in three months, maybe in five months. Then no mortgage. Of course, there is no property. What do you want to mortgage? The landlord is the government. You've got to pay him for rent towards the government. They decide how much to charge you. They decide what you need.

[00:02:28] In Romania, if you have a family of two children, they will give you an apartment that had two bedrooms and that was approximately 50 square meters, which is 500 square feet or just about. So seven. I was part in a family of seven at some point and we had an apartment of 500 square feet.

[00:02:52] I would love for these kids today to go and live in a 500 square feet and see how it is. Yes, there was very little to pay because you pay the government. So no problem there.

[00:03:03] But the utilities to run it. Well, there is a problem when there is no heat. There is no charge because they just, it's no heat. Electricity. You want to read a book at 9 p.m. at night? Oh, that's not a good time. You go to sleep because they shut down the electricity in your apartment.

[00:03:22] Then public, yes, that is true. They will provide retirement. Everybody in the socialist Romania that I lived in at the age of 65 or 66, I don't know exactly. I was too young.

[00:03:37] But they would have the retirement provided by the government. They were hoping for you not to make it to the retirement. But the reality is was so little that you could not survive with it. Most of the families, they had to keep their parents in their home and make sure they can feed them and all that.

[00:03:57] Because the retirement pension, it was the equivalent of $3 to $4, $5 when I lived there. Let me repeat. $3, $4, $5, okay? A month. A month, okay? And the landlord will take $2.50 for the rent. Then food, education, energy. We talked about food. It was so scarce. But why?

[00:04:23] Because you let people free. You let the farmers do what they do the best. And they will just produce because they want to make a living. There is no food in America. They will jump immediately and they will start making whatever it's missing, okay? Education. Yes, there was an education. Mandatory in Romania. You had to go to school. The first eight years in the elementary school. Then you have to go to a high school.

[00:04:50] But not everybody will go to get a higher education. Only just a few. Because the government will tell you this year we need to produce 60 doctors, 80 mechanical engineers, 100 chemical engineers. So that was it. And you've got 25,000 children competing for 2,000 spots. What would the rest do?

[00:05:13] They will go into the mandatory military service or they will have to just go and study trades and become plumbers, electricians, you know, chefs or whatever, okay? Then we talk about medicine and transportation. I gave you a glimpse of what I had to go as a young person, hanging myself out of a bus, trolley. The trams were full and there were people just begging to get in there and you couldn't squash so many people in there, okay?

[00:05:43] And I have with my own eyes seen people that would fall because the driver would be pressed by the other people to drive, take off. I don't care about the ones hanging out and some of them will fall. And I've seen it with my own eyes. So transportation, public transportation, it was in bad shape. Was it improved a little bit later on? Yes, it was improved. But that's what you need to expect. It's never enough. Why?

[00:06:11] Because there are people that will tell you what the number should be. There are people that will think for you. When you give the government the ability to think for you, you gave up your freedom. You don't make decisions anymore. You may think you make decisions, but you don't. Common goods and utilities. Utilities, like I said, no electricity when you wanted, no hot water when you wanted. It was terrible. It's wintertime. It's cold.

[00:06:38] And you go into a house that you have no way to warm it up. So you're just like tight all the time. Then you leave in the morning and outside it's cold and the buses don't have heat. And then you go to work and you try to work and it's so cold that you can't focus. So that's the situation. Now, hopefully they can show us where is this implemented and working. One sec. Manuela?

[00:07:06] Sure. I want to go back to what Ovi was saying, that his family was given an apartment. That apartment, for that apartment, he had to pay rent, probably a very small amount, right? So you would never own anything during communism and socialism. And then when it comes to education, you'd go to school, but you'd be indoctrinated. And you'd learn to have absolutely no opinion. And all critical thinking would be excluded from education.

[00:07:35] Energy, I can attest to, again, what Ovi was saying. We had two hours of electricity per day, which is pretty much nothing. So if you wanted as a young student to do your homework, you had to do it before 4 or 5 p.m. during wintertime because it was already getting dark outside. Transportation, there were days. I mean, the way private transportation was working, I mean, people, private citizens wanting to drive.

[00:08:04] We had the license plate number, and then the government decided on which days odd license plate number, and then the even ones were allowed to be on the road. So the government dictates everything that you are doing, even when you drive your car. And that's something that we want to ask ourselves. Is this what we really want? The government to tell us when we can drive our cars, that we can only have two hours of electricity?

[00:08:33] Yeah, that's a way that you won't have any debt because you won't have anything to use. Yuri? First, short comments on Romania. When I hear that family of four got their own two-bedroom apartment, it's quite a rosy picture in comparison with the Soviet Union.

[00:08:57] Because in the Soviet Union, many such families lived in so-called communal apartment, which was the same bedroom apartment would be divided between two or three families. You know, and each family will have only one room. And that would share one toilet, one bathroom, one kitchen. And so that was about that. But I want to...

[00:09:26] I would say that's where I grew up. Even smaller. My family apartment for people have only 180 square feet. And we consider lucky. I was spoiled then. You know, me, my mom, my dad, my brother, his wife, and two children. My gosh, it was a luxurious apartment. How lucky you were. I am so sorry. I didn't know. You were rich.

[00:09:51] But I want to speak about more important and general question, namely why young people believe in this nonsense. So we say that, well, to us, it's apparent what it actually is, that it's totalitarian control, food extension, etc., but not for them. And what is the root of this attraction now of communist ideology?

[00:10:21] And we should remember that communist parties are parties of intellectuals. It's only intellectuals who join those parties. They never manage in the beginning to recruit any workers, any peasants, etc. It was party of intellectuals, which I believe in the majority, what I call semi-educated people. It's important.

[00:10:47] So on one hand, they got some education which makes them very susceptible to any ideological indoctrination. On the other hand, they don't have enough education and knowledge to be critical about that ideology. It's very typical. Now, what attracts the so-called intellectual? When they look at American democratic capitalism, they have problems with that.

[00:11:16] How come that these quote-unquote deplorable rednecks decide how this country should live, as we intellectuals know it much better? Why? Why? They hate democratic process. They hate that common people decide their own fate and fate of our country. Second thing, they hate market economy.

[00:11:44] They consider it absolutely wasteful, producing a lot of unnecessary things, spending a lot of capital for God knows what, and greedy Wall Street, which actually takes money for nothing and gets rich. The alternative which they see is why they would believe that?

[00:12:11] Because they think that government can do it much better than any democratic government which has full control. Because they believe that there is some scientific theory which allows the government to follow it and to do in the most efficient way, unlike democratic system and capitalist system, all these things.

[00:12:37] So that's what makes them believe that if the government, totalitarian government, mind you, government which controls everything, if it takes control, everything would be much more efficient, much more fair, etc. So that's the main problem. Believe in some theoretical solution which doesn't exist, which can replace democratic decision making,

[00:13:07] which can replace market competition. And they think the central economy would be much more efficient, the planning economy. And that's absurd, you know, because one of the questions I would ask them, I was invited to one conference already in the beginning of the 90s, when there was some academician still from the Soviet time, head of some institution,

[00:13:33] who proudly said, now we develop a 25-year plan of development of capitalist economy. It was in the beginning of the 90s. Now they develop not five years' plan as communist. I ask them, how can you do that? I mean, how can you predict things? You know, how can you predict that tomorrow will internet appear, then social media appears, then electric cars.

[00:14:03] How can you include it in that 25-year plan because you don't know anything about that? So it's absurd. And that's what we should try to explain, that there is no such theory that government does anything very ineffectively. It cannot actually compete with free market, which has feedback, corrections all the time, etc.

[00:14:29] And we cannot give away democratic process when people decide for their life instead of some scientific theory or some experts who know it better. All dictators found out one thing. In order to realize that, they have to first and foremost take away people's freedom. And people with freedom, the free-thinking people, would not take that.

[00:14:57] Well, I'm not going to use a bad word. Anyway, would not take that. And so when they take power, okay, we are going to arrange economy doing this. They all end up with taking the freedom. They take the freedom. They take ownership. They take private property. On this website, they want to establish public ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries. So we know, without a doubt, they're going to start with Elon Musk

[00:15:27] because they hate Elon Musk for being the greedy, rich trillionaire, the man who is innovating society and is one of the greatest innovators of our time and inventors in our time. But they're going to come after him because he's been successful. They'll come after Bezos, as you mentioned earlier. And then what you mentioned in the last episode and the first part of the panel discussion,

[00:15:54] they'll take the first wave and then they're going to come back into the second wave. And eventually there's not going to be anyone to take from. But I want Manuela to talk about this first and then we'll go to everyone else because your family experienced this kind of taking. Sure. So my mother came from a family of noble family that has been documented all the way up to the 12th century, 13th century.

[00:16:24] And she came from wealth. My great-grandfather had a large livestock. They had their own people that were working for them. And this is in the countryside. However, communism came and overnight, they took everything from them. They took their livestock, their farming equipment. They took even their personal items, their land.

[00:16:52] And in Romania, as probably Ovi can attest, there's a strong connection between land, ownership of land, and then human individuality. So everything that my family worked for, the legacy which is supposed to be passed down to me and further to my children, was taken away overnight.

[00:17:19] Shortly afterwards, my mom had eight more siblings. So from wealth, overnight, my mother had to share a pair of boots, of rubber boots, just to go to school. And then she would take turns with her sibling. One day, it was my mother that would go, and then she would wear those rubber boots that were probably even her size. And when she would get to school, her toes would be almost frozen.

[00:17:47] And then the next day, it was another sibling's turn. That's what communism did to my family, and it did it overnight with basically no warning. And another thing that my mother used to tell me in tears is that everything that my family had worked for, for generations, was then put in the hands of, for example, one person from the village that never worked a day in his life and that was drunk day and night. And then he was taking advantage

[00:18:17] of what my family had been working for. And I'm sure he destroyed it because they didn't know how to run it. He had no idea. Exactly. He had no skills, no entrepreneurial skills. If they took Elon Musk's companies away from him, they would destroy the companies within days. It wouldn't take long because they don't know what it takes to run it.

[00:18:42] And we know this from our own Americans who've lived here their whole life know this. We watched it during COVID. We watched as the government shut everything down. Thankfully in this state, this governor said he wasn't gonna let people sit at home and starve and go broke. And he opened things up quickly. We're in Georgia right now. But around this country, we have people who are like,

[00:19:09] oh, well you can petition off the toy section of your store and only have the food section open. Or you can't sell seeds in your store or the hardware store can't be. Making all of these things, turning all the dials, trying to tweak the entire economy of a city or a state to somehow make it work with people who've never even, never taken the risk to start their own company,

[00:19:38] never understood the pressure that there is when you own a company to make sure you're making payroll and providing and making sure the company is running for the people you're employing. None of that. They didn't care because the money that they were having, they never, it just came to them from taxes. And taxes are coercion. I'm not saying we shouldn't pay taxes, but if you don't pay taxes, you're going to jail or your property is going to be taken or your wages are going to be garnished.

[00:20:06] One way or the other, you're paying your taxes. And they had no appreciation for it. And this wouldn't be COVID lockdowns on steroids. Who else? I'm sorry. I will get off my soapbox now. I wanted to say that my family in Hungary had land by Lake Bolaton and they owned pigs and everything. When communism came in, they took one pig,

[00:20:32] not to feed people in the village or in the area, to feed the communists, to feed their party. While one by one, they took everything they owned and they took the land and they took everything and left them with nothing. They had to almost starve. They would exchange flour for salt, exchange with neighbors so they can cook a little bit.

[00:20:59] And a woman that worked in the mills gathering wheat, whatever they could gather in their boots is what they took home so they can fix bread for their family. That's how bad it was. But the communists, they lived well. They were well fed, but the community was not. Actually, I want to say something more recent. When you talk about communism, my family, everybody, everything was taken, so I'm not going to mention it.

[00:21:29] COVID. COVID is a very interesting tool. When COVID started, I was on the panel with two governors. I said the most dangerous thing is to import the means of control of communism. What happened in China? You know, China privatized a lot, but communication, the telephone company, oil company, and big companies are government-owned. So when they own this big company, how they control people?

[00:21:59] This is the future. If we keep Biden's way, you know, that way, it would be the future of America. It's like they put camera in front of every building. If you say someone went, okay, you are supposed to, you know, take several shots. You haven't. If you want to go out for like half a feet,

[00:22:28] the alarm would sound, police would come. So you basically are jailed at home until you submit yourself to the government request. And also I have a friend, it's a funny story, you know, because he crossed the firewall and they have some word I said in social media. He copy-paste what I said on his Chinese social media. Next day, he went to do grocery shopping.

[00:22:58] Nothing works because in that time, China actually, they canceled cash. Not entirely, but at that time, canceled cash. You have to buy with your cell phone. Everybody's controlled by the phone. So he tried to buy groceries. No, you're banned for two weeks. Your bank account is closed for two weeks because you posted something bad. That simple. Total control. I want to remind

[00:23:27] because we have the year of Declaration of Independence, 200th anniversary, and we have the magic words of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But it was some little modification of original John Locke's world, which Thomas Jefferson followed. And in Locke's, Locke said life, liberty, and the private property.

[00:23:56] So to Locke, to John Locke, private property was as essential and important as life and liberty. And he was right. And as to COVID, I want to say the following. Key to the situation what happened with COVID was so-called rule by expertise. And that's exactly what happens

[00:24:25] in communist countries. They refer to some theory which explains everything and to monopoly on truth and they follow that, referring to that, et cetera. That's exactly what happened with COVID. Because we had so-called experts which refer to some scientific theory which actually proved to be completely flawed.

[00:24:55] Because most of the things that they suggested proved to be later wrong, you know, such as keeping distance and all the things that many others. And actually the main expert was not even an epidemiologist. Dr. Fauci was not an epidemiologist. He was a virusologist which is completely different. So he didn't know much about epidemics. But that was the key that we let, we surrendered in many cases

[00:25:25] the democratic process to this rule of expertise. So in some states, more free states like Florida maybe, governors still utilize the democratic rule. But in California and many others, they completely surrendered to this so-called rule by expertise. And that was the most dangerous thing. Because communism offers the same only true

[00:25:55] scientific theory and experts which turns into single party automatically which knows everything, which knows best, etc. So we can make this comparison with COVID situation and learn our lessons and show to our young generation how it works. Yeah, Karl Marx called it scientific socialism. Yeah. So I'm going to start with this beautiful example of what they

[00:26:25] want to do. So it's not difficult to confiscate anything. It's been done all over the world. Okay? So you take ownership of Jeff Bezos company. Who's going to run it? You want the government to run it? You want to run it as a private individual. Let's look at the balance. What has government demonstrated so far that he is able

[00:26:54] or it is able to run efficiently? I take the UPS, United States Department, Postal Services. They've been on the red for 600 years. They just cannot seem to balance the budget and be efficient. Okay? How about the social security system? We trusted the government to manage and take care of it. And the money was put there

[00:27:23] and somehow it's not going to be there anymore. So you want to take Jeff Bezos' company that he created in the garage and in 25 years the whole world is benefiting from a system that brings people together. They can buy whatever they want anytime they want. They look for things. He's done something right. He's hired and employed smart people to help. He can't do it by himself. So he's looking out

[00:27:53] there, employ kids or people to help him run that business. We take it away from him. Are you going to just run it for him? Why can't you just run it right now? There is something that lots of people should understand that these large corporations, have profit sharing programs. So you go work, you do well, and the companies will reward you, whether they call them dividends, whether they call them

[00:28:22] bonuses and all that. There is no such a thing in a communist environment. Whatever you get is what they decide. So why are you willing to trust the government to take your fruit of labor and then wait for them to just give it back in the way they consider is right? So here comes two examples, short examples from Romania.

[00:28:53] My grandparents owned a piece of land. Why is land important? Because we have to eat. We really have to eat. So my grandpa had a large many hectares of an orchard. He had apples and pears and whatever. They've been running it from family, in family, for maybe 100, 200 years. So the communists come to power and they say, we don't

[00:29:23] do this. Now we're going to organize ourselves and we're going to have cooperatives where everybody is working and everybody is going to get profit sharing. What that meant is that they retired my grandpa and now they're running themselves. And in about five to six years, the production dropped so much that they just considered it's no longer profitable and they shut down the place. So that's one example. The second

[00:29:52] example is Romania in Bucharest after the Second World War had one of the largest steel manufacturing plant in Bucharest that was owned by an American family. That family, of course, they created all the opportunities for people, they invested in the business, they had a distribution channel, they imported materials, prime materials, and the

[00:30:22] products were going to be sent certain places. There was a business that made financial sense. Communists came to power and they confiscated. They gave him a couple of days to take whatever things he wanted to take and then he had to leave the country. So now that beautiful factory worked for maybe five to ten years until the equipment started failing. Well, there

[00:30:52] is no longer a channel of acquiring the parts for maintenance and the knowledge was no longer there because the people that took control over it, oh, we know how to do this, we know how to operate this. They haven't been prepared, taught, educated to run these machineries properly, right? So basically in approximately ten years of use, they started to need parts

[00:31:22] and they needed expertise and they were able sometimes to get expertise from the United States, but most of the times they said, no, I can do it. So we manufacture parts on our own and I'm sure the tolerance was not there, the equipment was failing even more. The long story short is that one of the most important manufacturing plant, steel manufacturing plant in Romania, has become absolutely

[00:31:51] devastated. There is no more efficiency, they could not make good quality products, products, and the distribution channel to sell those products, let's say to other countries, has fallen down to nothing. And this is the example I'm going to give you. It's a laughing sad example, but it's what happened. Romania was producing, let's say, tractors and Switzerland were purchasing equipment from

[00:32:21] Romania and everybody was so happy. I remember Ceausescu on television, oh yes, the quality of the Romanian products. So the Swiss people would buy tractors, melt them, and make watches. And it was cheaper for them to buy Romanian tractors than just go somewhere else and buy steel. It's very sad. It is very sad. But I remember the pride of the Communist Party for what they have been accomplishing, and it's so great and all that, and

[00:32:50] the truth was so different. So anyway. We have the publicly owned housing, but we've gone through that a few times, so we're going to move to the next one, which is this. So it really gets to the crux of what they want to do. They want to draft a new constitution. They claim they want to create a democratic socialist republic, which we have established as really totalitarian communism. Yes, that's how they call me. Korea, North

[00:33:20] Korea is called democratic republic. So again, those names are very decent. That's a good example. Very good example. And constitutions, they don't need to draft new constitutions. They can take Stalin's constitution of 1936. That's what they want. They just want to shred the American constitution. Yeah, when there is already available constitution for them. And then the things that they say they want to do, and we've heard some of these on the news. The other stuff that we hit on

[00:33:50] earlier are the things that aren't quite making the rounds on the news, but they want to abolish the electoral college. They want to abolish the United States and the They want to replace the president and the Supreme Court with an executive and judiciary chosen by a subordinate to Congress. So they want to get rid of our checks and balances. They want to get rid of our three branches of government. They also want to abolish the police, abolish prisons, abolish ICE, basically abolish the border.

[00:34:20] The only thing they lie here or don't finish it, it should subordinate not to Congress, but to Central Committee of Communist Party, you know, all those things. Why don't we call it what it is? They want to have the communist America. I have a question for you about when you see all of this. I heard someone the other day say to me, oh, Jenny Beth, we don't need to

[00:34:49] worry so much. I can never imagine AOC or Bernie Sanders. We don't have to worry about them the way we had to worry about the USSR. And the reasoning behind it was, well, the Soviet Union had control of nuclear weapons. And I said, if AOC becomes president, who's going to have control of our nuclear weapons at that point? Who's going to have control of our military? Who's going to have control of the forces,

[00:35:18] the police-type forces, the military-type forces in our country? And I'm not saying that AOC is going to turn into a kind of, to a dictator or the dictators that we have mentioned here today. I don't want to go so far that people just turn out and they don't listen. What I do think is that in every situation that you've described, it starts out with some aspirational beauty, and it

[00:35:47] turns into some bloody revolution because they have to make you live with the fear that you talked about. But to get to the point where people just live with the fear constantly so they comply, they go through what you lived through in your own childhood, they take away private property, they tweak the systems to pretend like they can own the government, you don't get to have freedom of religion, you get baptized in private, country from which you

[00:36:17] are from is still living under this communism. If it happens here in America, is it going to be somehow different than anywhere else that's ever been tried? No, it cannot be different because the ideology is the same. And this ideology is so rigid that it implements itself exactly the same way in any country which it takes over. It's the same communism in China

[00:36:47] as it was in the Soviet Union, it was the same communism in Romania, the same communism in Nicaragua. itself. It cannot be different because this is totalitarian ideology which means that it defines, determines in details every aspect of life. And also it suppresses everything else. The history of the country,

[00:37:16] the culture of the country, everything goes under this communist ideology. So it wouldn't matter what America was before. If this ideology takes over, it would replicate exactly the same thing as it did in other countries. It cannot do otherwise. I have a suggestion for young people. And I know reading is not that fashionable now, but I do recommend one reading.

[00:37:45] George Orwell, not in 1984, George Orwell's salute to Catalonia. And George Orwell himself was such a leftist. He went to join the Spanish Civil War in the Republic side. Anyway, so the Soviet Union, the Comitum, was behind it. And George Orwell happened to join the wrong faction. And he witnessed how much the communists killed their own. Why is it

[00:38:15] important? Because the international brigade was composed with different people from different countries, different communist parties. You would see under that system, there was no difference. America, well, Canadian, whatever. in that system, they all turn brutal. It's not. So it's not say, oh, we Americans have our characters. No. When you

[00:38:44] submit to that ideology, you'll turn the same. people. So here is what they are proposing. In 250 years, this beautiful country has managed to become the most influential, a country that has produced the most wealth in the world. And they are proposing a system that's been tried before

[00:39:13] many times, many times over in different places and has failed every single time. How is it called a person that is doing the same thing over and over again, but is expecting a different result? They're out of their mind. The youngsters, they have to wake up and understand what's happening here. Why would they think that following

[00:39:42] a communist system, it's going to produce better results that have been already tested somewhere else and failed? Do I see millions of people lined up to emigrate to these countries, to Cuba, to Venezuela? Do I see millions of people trying to emigrate to China, Romania, or Hungary? Now, some of the situation, political situation, economical situation, social system has changed

[00:40:12] in those countries. But we lived, we all of us lived under this communist regime in the past and has failed every single time. All I'm seeing here on this board is the same concept written in manifesto, written by the communist thinkers, Marx, Engels, then later on, Stalin, and all those guys. And I don't see anybody lined up to go and live there. I see them millions of people

[00:40:41] want to come and live in America. Risking their life to jump back over the wall and leave. Well, when they build the wall, the joke is in Germany, in Berlin, they build the wall because they wanted to prevent the West Germans to go and benefit from the unbelievable social system that was in the eastern country. And it's just ridiculous that these youngsters can be caught in this mental,

[00:41:12] it's a disease, it's like you're not, you're living out of your body to believe that everything that's been tried before, it's going to be better. But I don't think it's enough. That's all very important what we're trying to say and do explain how terrible is communism and that whenever communism would come to power, it will repeat exactly the same. That's absolutely critical

[00:41:41] and important criticism and explanation of communism. But we shouldn't also forget about positives. Reminds to those people about how great America is because they're disillusioned with America. So unless we make an effort, you know, to us it's apparent and evident how great this country is. To them it is not.

[00:42:11] And unless we make additional effort to remind and explain how important are human rights, political liberties, and all those principles and values on which this country stands, we will do only half of our job. It's denouncing communism is absolutely critical, but reminding and educating people, you know, about what makes this country really great and

[00:42:40] better than any other country, I think is as important as another part. Okay, and we're going to come back to that, so it's a very good point. Onofre? Yeah, one of the slides, the previous one that you had about all of us are going to own the factories, basically. That is the biggest lie that communists throw out there. You're going to be the owner. This is going to be yours. Who is going to establish that public ownership? How much are you going to own from let's say Elon

[00:43:11] Tesla? How much are you going to own from it? How are you going to benefit from this? Okay, and essential industry, who is going to define essential industries? Well, they are. But for someone who is let's say in high school or just going into college, being indoctrinated, for them, this is the biggest lie and they will definitely swallow it. Because it's like, I don't have to worry about this. I'm going to be well taken care of. Because what they're saying,

[00:43:41] this website is seductive. We cannot ignore the seduction from this website. No bills. You don't have to worry about your house. You don't have to worry about where you're going to work. Work is going to be easy now. You only have to do as much as you need to. I mean, I listen to the news and the abolish this and abolish that, and that stuff alarms alarms me. Believe me, it alarms me. But then I read this part and that's why I did this. I was reading that and it was like,

[00:44:11] we have to bring people in who've lived through this because I don't know how to fight that right now. We do have to come back and talk about the greatness of America. Why do you want to take it? What's preventing you from making another company as great as Elon Musk? What's preventing the youth, the generation today to build another one? Well, why? I mean... He and

[00:44:41] Bill Gates both started in garages. Now, when you read the idea, the DSA gold, some people kind of laugh at me and say, no, listen, it took 20 years for this ending to keep on fighting and finally they topple Samosa. It may take maybe 30 years to get them to a point where they will have a lot of influence. The biggest fear that I have, people will laugh at this,

[00:45:11] but the biggest fear that I have is this. Okay, so let's say they begin to achieve the no borders, the no ice, defunded department of war. Just right there, that is one key. Now you don't have an army, you don't have an air force, you don't have a navy. I'm going to throw this at you. Who do you think is going to want to take back their states? You have Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California. Who do you think would like to jump over and say,

[00:45:41] hey, they don't have an army, they don't have a police, they don't have a border. Well, then I would suggest all of my friends in Arizona, you better start learning Spanish, because that's what's going to happen. Okay? The destruction of America is going to be from within. By just doing that, there's no more economic power. It disappears. Everything will, well, it's just, it's going to be out.

[00:46:10] There's no future. But the destruction is their goal. Right. The destruction of American democratic capitalism is their goal. Remember International, it has a line, first we completely destroy an existing world, and then we'll build the new one. So at this stage, the goal is complete destruction. We should keep it in mind. And one thing I want to mention, to each of the lines which you showed

[00:46:39] on the screen, I think we can find almost identical quote from Marx or Lenin or Stalin or even Hitler or how many, you know, which will be virtually absolutely The same kind of promises. Yeah, almost identical. Right. And we can put it line by line and show it, you know, that they say exactly what those people said before. That's why I said for

[00:47:09] the rest of the few years of my job will be interpreter. I interpret, I translate whatever they say into the language. Agnes? This whole thing scares me to death. My youngest grandson is 14 years old and taking him to school the other day, he says, he showed me a meme on his phone, because now every child has a cell phone, about Mandami in New York. And I still can't

[00:47:37] process that that guy won. But that's another episode. And he says he has some good ideas, and I almost crashed. And I looked at him, and I said, what good ideas? Well, free groceries and free housing, free, I says, Aiden, there is nothing free. What it is, they take it from all of us to distribute, and then you can work 50, 60 hours a week, mandated to work, so you

[00:48:07] can give to the other guy who doesn't do anything, watches video games all day long, so he can have half of what you've earned. Is that what you want? Well, no. I said, that's what socialism is. They collect from all of us and distribute to everybody. I said, socialism will be the destruction of the United States of America. And as a legal immigrant, I am petrified, and I beg, I beg the young people of this country, please do your research.

[00:48:37] If you haven't traveled, go to a communist country for a month, for two months. Live how they live and see how you would like it, because it is not the pretty picture that you're painting. And this democratic socialist of America, it is offensive to me, like you have no idea. Take the word America out of there, because there's no democratic party. They have been socialist all along.

[00:49:07] Now it just came to the light. It's all correct, except that they will take more than half. Yes, they'll take all of it. They distribute according to needs, and the people of leisure have much more needs than the person who works 60 hours a week, so they should give more to him. It's a joke, but it's hard. There's something very important in what you just said. You

[00:49:37] listened to your grandson. Thankfully, he commented on what he was seeing. One of the things I constantly say to parents is first, you need to be able to log into your kids' social media accounts. It's not to spy on the kids, it's because every single thing that comes across the social media is tailored to what they have liked and watch. You can follow them, but you're not going to see what's showing up on their screen. You have to know what's on their

[00:50:07] screen so you can address it. Nature abhors a vacuum. If you don't address it, someone is going to fill their minds with that information. My kids did not lead a normal life because of my job. We had these conversations around the table often. It is important, though. You have to be able to talk to them.

[00:50:37] They have to understand there's no such thing as a free lunch. It's such common sense to all of us sitting here, and yet they don't believe it. They don't even know that. We just have to make sure that we are not allowing there to be a vacuum, and that our ideas don't have a chance to be planted as seeds and germinate in their minds as well. If we don't keep spreading it,

[00:51:07] the seeds of liberty, it will go out. It will absolutely go out. In the same way the Socialist Democrats of America is painting such a beautiful picture of what it could be if the United States became a socialist country. We Americans owe it to our generation, to our grandchildren, our daughters, our grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. I don't have any great-grandchildren, but let's think ahead of time. Let's build a beautiful picture of what the United States is, the only

[00:51:37] country in the world that maintains its freedom for 250 years. There is no other country in the world like the United States of America. Let's not lose this. That was part four of our panel discussion on surviving communism. In our last episode of this panel, we will talk about something different. We'll talk about America, what it meant to each of the panelists when they got here, what President Reagan actually did from their point of

[00:52:06] view as people inside of communist countries, and what happens to the rest of the world if our country, the United States of America, stops being the country that it is. Be sure to check that episode out, and if you didn't see the previous panel discussions, be sure to go back and watch those. Before we close, we hope you'll share part or all of the surviving communism episodes with your family and friends so that they understand the unintended real-life

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