Surviving Communism: A Day Without Capitalism Reads Like Mao in 1958 | Panel

[00:00:00] There is a page on the Democratic Socialists of America's website that asks you to imagine a day without capitalism. No bills, no debt, no mortgage, no landlord. Today I read that out loud to seven people who have lived in communist countries that have promised exactly these kind of things. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin and this is our Surviving Communism series. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show.

[00:00:40] I sat down with people from five countries who know what communism actually does. Today we will learn more about what happened to them in communist countries, to their families, their food, their churches and their futures. I'm going to read the Democratic Socialists of America's website and platform to our panelists and ask people who've seen these promises before where that road goes and what they recognize. Our communism survivors are... Our communism survivors are... Sasha Gong from China.

[00:01:10] Yuri Yarim-Agaev from the Soviet Union. Agnes Giboney from Hungary. Ovidiu Frusina from Romania. Manuela Callini, also from Romania. Captain Onofre Gutierrez from Nicaragua. And Janice Trey from China. And now, here's our panel.

[00:01:36] What I want to do is talk about what we are seeing right now with the Democratic Socialists of America. They are on the rise. They have won primaries in this country. There are going to be more people who associate with the Democratic Socialists of America in the House of Representatives because they won primaries in the way redistricting is going. And I want to talk about the things they're saying and get your input on it.

[00:02:05] If you go to their website, there are different things on their website, but they have this one section that is their program and they call it their 2026 program. And they have it. It is imagine a day without capitalism. And they say, imagine taking a day off from work in the future without capitalism. Before we get any further, what is your gut reaction when you read something like that? Janice, we'll start with you.

[00:02:35] Well, it is very important that we have to think of who's behind this movement. What is the real end game? And how do they get there? It seems like all of a sudden we wake up, they are already in certain positions.

[00:02:52] I mean, if you look at New York City, I was there last night and New York City, it's I don't think anyone will have bet that we will have this mayor's right. So we have to think that really, there may be certain plans that in place that get to the end game. And right now, before the midterm, we all have to be awakened.

[00:03:19] You know, when 97% of Muslims go out and vote and 30% of the Christians go out and vote, that could have a very different outcome. But if more people go out and vote, we may be able to get different results. So when my first reaction onto this, imagine taking a day off from work in the future without capitalism.

[00:03:48] I like to draw an analogy of US as a capitalist state and people from communistic states, not only they want to come here, they all send the children. They want to be educated here. And after the children gain the education, they do not return.

[00:04:09] They are the insiders or they are the children of the insiders, the officials, the capital outflights from China's huge capital outflights from any communist countries. You know, if they could get the money out. You know, if they could get the money out. That tells you something. The insiders stay away from communist states, totalitarian states. They want capitalist states.

[00:04:36] If you compare North Korea and South Korea, they are Koreans. Who want to go to live in North Korea? No way. The same here. It may be an erosion. You know, it's just taking one day off into a non-capitalist states. Then the next day they will say two days, three days, and eventually you lose it.

[00:05:00] Because communism is meant to erase humanity, erase faith. And socialism is really a form of government with the communistic values. Even Chinese Communist Party acknowledge that what they are practicing is socialism with Chinese characteristics. So they acknowledge that it's really socialism.

[00:05:30] So we have to be very mindful of the slippery slopes. And before it goes down too much, we have to pull the handbrake and make a stop. Onofre? Well, to me that's a very silly phrase because you will not be working without capitalism. Okay.

[00:05:59] So taking a day off from what when there are no factories, there are no companies that you can work for. You will be sleeping in bed probably hungry because there is no place to go to work. Capitalism is important. It's the machine that drives this country. It's the machine that drives everything. Even the DSA, they need capitalism to move their ideology. But when I look at that, I really want to laugh and say, really?

[00:06:26] Are you serious telling me that you're not going to be taking a day off from work when there's no money to go about to run a business? It will be interesting when we keep reading what else we have to say. Manuela? Okay. So I have a very vivid image in my head about how would that look like.

[00:06:48] First of all, it would be a very dark and gloomy day, hopeless, where you would see everything around you gray and dark without any future and without any hope for anything positive in your life, where your private property, your business would be taken away from you and you would be promised safety. You would be promised safety, abundance, and prosperity. But how would you? I mean, it's a trade.

[00:07:17] You wake up. Everything is taken away from you, your opinions, your voice, everything that you've ever worked for in your family, and then your promised abundance. But it's cognitive dissonance here. And even not working, I think this refers a lot to social welfare and redistribution of wealth.

[00:07:41] It's an illusion because somebody will have to work for it, and it's a world that will eventually fail. It cannot exist forever. It's very interesting, and I'm going to give you an answer as a Romanian that lived there for 23 years. So let's imagine for one second that I graduated from the university, and I'm an engineer, mechanical engineer for that matter.

[00:08:08] So to imagine taking a day off from or without capitalism, I will have to replace it with one week of work in a socialist regime like Romania. So Monday morning, the siren sounds about 6.30 or so. I wake up, dress myself, and I try to go take a quick shower. Poof! I don't have hot water. Ah, sorry.

[00:08:33] So I'll have to just splash myself with some cold water, dress myself up, and then go and run as fast as I can to the station. I have to use public transportation, and it'll take about 20, 30 minutes of wait. And my gosh, the bus is coming, and it's full of people. And because I'm young and powerful, I'm going to go and hang myself out of the door because I really have to take that bus to go. I don't want to be that late.

[00:09:02] So I still go to work, and I'm late, and I got to say good morning to my boss, and I got to bribe him for a quick lunch or something because I punch in and it's late. So I'll have to change the machine and punch a little early. So now I'm good. So then I go and ask my boss, so what do we do today? And he says, did you bring the chess board? And I said, well, no, no, but we can play backgammon today.

[00:09:27] So we goof off a little bit, and then let's say the day it's finished, and I got to go home. I punch out, and I stop to get a piece of bread. And man, it's a three-hour wait, and I look, and I cannot really make it. So I go behind, and I just happened to fix the guy's television the other day because that's what I used to do. And the guy says, oh, yeah, here is a loaf of bread.

[00:09:55] So now I go home. I turn on the TV, and Nikolaj Ceausescu starts with his greeting towards his people. There is nothing really to watch, and I try to take a bath. But again, I have no water. It's a little bit cold outside, and I try to turn on the heat. Whoops, I really don't have heat going through the, you know, whatever device, a furnace.

[00:10:25] Well, but it's a little private, you know, device that everybody has, but it's connected or it's hooked to the entire apartment complex. So you can't really do anything. If they don't send you the thermic agent, then you don't really have heat. So anyway, I go to sleep a little bit pissed off and hungry. And then eventually I wake up Tuesday, and I realized, oh my gosh, I have a doctor appointment. I pick up the phone. I call my boss. Look, I'm not going to be able to be in today.

[00:10:55] And he says, well, I'll take a bottle of red wine. Just stop and make sure when you bring it here. So then I do whatever I do Tuesday, and I show up towards the end of the day so I can punch out. He already punched in for me, and I already brought him a bottle of wine so he can have a nice evening. And then I go ahead and try to buy something else to eat. It's not there.

[00:11:21] I start Wednesday pretty much the same way, but this time the boss says, oh my, we got to work today. Oh really? What do we do today? Now remember, I'm an engineer. So we're work of some kind of idea that somebody had, and we need approval for it. So I go upstairs, third floor, where you get your approvals, and somebody from the Communist Party on duty is answering my calls. Ah, you cannot do that. That's never going to work.

[00:11:52] Excuse me, I'm an engineer, and you, what do you do? How do you know this is, it's not going to work. Just don't worry about it. So I come back, and I bring out my chess board, and I talk to the other people there, and we're just going to have to wait again for the day to go off. So I can probably tell you that not very many people know that in Romania, when I was there, the work week was actually also on Saturday for four hours.

[00:12:21] So people were working 44 hours. So that's how the whole week would go, and there is not really much I would do. There is not really much I can change, or I can, you know, it's just, that's a week equivalent of one working day in a capitalism where you wake up refreshed, you take your shower, you go to work, and you go back there, and you're ready to work, and you do what you're doing the best.

[00:12:51] And you come home, and you're happy for accomplishing something. I guess I did not take the family in consideration for the kids and all that. That's going to take a totally different series to talk about that. How would we do homework with the children, what we talk to them about it, and so forth. But I hope that gives you an idea of a day without capitalism.

[00:13:16] Wait, and in the day without capitalism, the work day, did you get to choose your job, or were you told what your job would be? Well, in Romania, everybody has to have a job. Yeah. The government will give you a place to work. Okay. And you better show up, because if you don't, then you might get arrested. So it wasn't a choice for us where we go, how to do it. You had to go, but no choice in where.

[00:13:43] So I guess I may have to explain that when you go to university, or at least when it happened during my time, in Romania, you don't really have to pay for the higher education. Only the best students will make it there through rigorous exams. And now you are at the university for four years.

[00:14:04] And once you graduate, the way you repay back the government, or the society, I shall say, you're going to go and work wherever the government sends you in a maybe not underdeveloped area, or somebody in the countryside where nobody wants to work, where there's nothing else to do. But there is a small factory, and those places, they do need their doctors and engineers.

[00:14:31] So I can only speak for me because I was to become an engineer and do what I'm doing. But I can't really speak for everybody else. There are farmers and there are electricians and plumbers. And, you know, the government sends everybody to a specific place, and you go there, and whatever the party tells you to do, that's what you do.

[00:14:56] It's quite funny because the director of that facility that supposedly is in charge, he really has no control of what he will do. He would be told what the plans are, what he has to do, how to manage his people, and he has to follow strict orders from the Communist Party in regards to that. And like I mentioned before, everybody gets paid the same.

[00:15:21] If there are five engineers there, there may be a little difference in pay if you've worked for that place for 20 years or so. But let's say we come out of university and we are young because I would like to address to the young people. Everybody makes the same. The government establishes the salary. He had a very good point. There is no taxation in Romania. There were no credit cards. There were no checkbooks.

[00:15:50] Everything was a cash-based society. You run out of cash. You run out of cash. There are not banks that you can go and borrow the money. So you knock on your neighbor's door and say, hey, you know, I know you're going to get paid in three days. May I please borrow 100 lei? And most of the people will help each other. So it was an internal system that we developed to, you know, confront the difficulties of a day-to-day life.

[00:16:19] But as far as the society itself, she had a very nice point earlier about the car. You would like to buy a car? Well, guess what? You have to save yourself for six, seven years or so and you put in an order and they'll call you in four or five years to get it.

[00:16:38] And I can tell you from my father-in-law's experience that he waited for such a long time and the Romanians were building a Romanian version of a Renault car. It's called Dacia. And he goes there to pick it up from the factory and there is oil underneath and one of the doors does not close properly. And the color is not the color that he wanted to get. And they looked at him and say, do you want or you don't want the car?

[00:17:09] And you say, I don't want the car. Maybe four years later you will get another option. So he had to get the car and drive immediately to a mechanic. And the mechanic says, well, I'm busy. Well, but I got to go home. So you have to bribe the mechanic to look and see why is the oil underneath? Where is the leak? And then the door is not really much you can do.

[00:17:33] It's like the headlights will have two fingers you can put in between the frame and all that. So, and you know, that was the quality that you would put because nobody cared. Nobody would be held responsible for the quality. All they had to do is produce, let's say, X many cars per year and they will do it. And, you know, that was the result of no competition and it's really nothing.

[00:18:02] So I would love to ask these young children today, what kind of a system you want to live in? You want to live in a system that everything has been told to you or do you want to be able to make some decisions for yourself? Janice, there's a 22 year old who just registered to vote, who likes what the socialists are saying, and who thinks every one of you is exaggerating because it's been a long time ago and a far, far away and this is America.

[00:18:32] What do you say to him or her? You have a bright future as a 22 years old. However, you have to see through the picture that's painted. Is it the reality? Is it sustainable?

[00:18:50] And what socialism is trying to redistribute things, but there's not really no free lunch because it comes, you know, where's the money coming from? You know, at one point it will dry out because when there's no competitions, you know, imagine a system that say they aim to like no police, no law and order.

[00:19:16] When they want to take out the president of the United States, they want to take out the Senate. When they want to take out, you know, that, you know, anti-Israel, they just a whole long list of things that they want to do. Today, they may sell you on one thing that sounds very good, but this is sustainable. So if you have a choice, you compare Taiwan versus mainland China. They are Chinese.

[00:19:46] Same people, same level of intelligence. But the difference is one is a democratic society. One is the totalitarian regimes. Socialisms with Chinese characteristics. That's how they call it, how the Chinese Communist Party call it. You compare the GDP of Taiwan versus mainland China. It's several times different.

[00:20:10] Do you really want to live in a place that, you know, a freshen of the GDP? Because the GDP is a reflection of the wealth of the countries. I would also remind you that you probably remember the umbrella movement in Hong Kong. Why does the Chinese Communist Party will attack people?

[00:20:36] you know just have holding an umbrella you know they're trying to protest because Hong Kong with the one country two system since 1997 that was promised that was signed by Michael Techers and so on but that one country two system was broken so there was a promise but there was never realized and so even a simple protest you lead up into jail so that is a lesson

[00:21:06] learned they may promise you something but then they could take it away and they can take it away they can send you to prisons because when there's no law and order you are at risk I mean even in Hong Kong with the British rule there have been laws written so they threaten the lives of the family members of the judges in order to get to certain outcomes so even this law existing but they may

[00:21:36] not obey the law and they may use other ways so we have to wake up to that I was I'm proud to be American citizens we just celebrated our 250 years you know Benjamin Franken said that the republic if you can keep it and President Reagan talk about freedom you know is one generation away from

[00:21:58] extinctions so all of us have the responsibilities to preserve the freedoms America was born from freedom freedom of freedom freedom of religious liberties we all enjoy the freedom of speech the freedom of associations and in a socialist settings your freedom will be taken away but it's like a frog put into

[00:22:27] a pot of water and they slowly increase the temperature they don't do it abruptly if a frog is put in a pot of hot water they will just jump out you know because the frog will the instant reaction will be jump out and was the frog will still be alive but when there's a pot of you know lukewarm water and gradually increase the

[00:22:54] temperatures the frog will die so don't fall into the traps you have to see what's the end game what's next and don't the um you know don't have the infatuations and don't think those are the reality communism never succeeded

[00:23:15] there's you name around the world all the countries there's not a single success story that is long lasting and socialism is a form of government practicing communist ideology and young men young women i would say you have a bright future

[00:23:37] but it is in your hands so go vote go you know ask the five why's you know why are they doing that what's really behind and what's the end games who's creating that you know ask the what and why and how and you know so not just bought just buy into something that when they say too good to be true

[00:24:07] it's not true thank you yuri i want to clarify one thing i hear all the time in this discussion that communism and socialism are used virtually synonymously and i think that's confusion and it's very important thing to me as to scientists

[00:24:36] terminology is very critical and yes communism is socialism but there are different forms of socialism there is democratic socialism or social democracy which we see in western europe and there is totalitarian socialism and my definition full definition of communism is that it's international totalitarian socialism

[00:25:04] because there are two other forms there is national totalitarian socialism which is also known as nazism and there is religious totalitarian socialism which we now see as islamism in iran of all three words and definition totalitarian is the most important part and

[00:25:29] i would distinguish very strongly between social democracy and communism between because social democracy i'm not proponent of socialism in any form i i definitely prefer capitalism and free market but i think that social democracy which we have in europe is legitimate form while totalitarian socialism is completely illegitimate form

[00:25:58] and the place of totalitarian socialism is not in political arena but behind the bars it's it's criminal system and that what is important and we shouldn't be deceived by the names when we see democratic socialists of america it's a lie they're they're actually totalitarian party

[00:26:24] i want to remind you that the communist party bolsheviks headed by lenin was called in the beginning not communist party but social democratic workers party of russia so neither bernie sanders nor others nor those new guys from dsa who love to use word democratics they are not democrats they are totalitarians they are actually communists and we should remember that

[00:26:54] and why it is important because we should focus on the struggle against totalitarianism in all its forms external totalitarian forces and internal totalitarian forces would it be communism islamism and even neo-nazism which is marginally present that is our target and because if we go too wide as i say i'm

[00:27:23] i don't like socialism but if we expand the thing that is a problem we should actually divide social real social democrats which are present in democratic party from communists which as they were divided actually in 70s and 80s because most members of democrat democratic party at that time

[00:27:52] were anti-communists we should remember that the main anti-communist in america was scoop jackson great man you know the most anti-communist organization in america was afl-cio under jorge minnie trade unions were anti-communist so there was consensus very broad consensus among democrats

[00:28:22] and republicans at that time against communism and very important is to restore this consensus now and single out totalitarianism and communism specifically as a main enemy of our nation and unite against enemy and make a distinction between political opponents and enemy of the nation democrats are political opponents of republicans

[00:28:52] but communists and totalitarianism are enemies of our country of both parties and that what i think is very critical and why we should more distinguish between socialism in general and communism one of the things that we're going to do in this session is go through this a bit more to show how it really is leading to what Ovi just was describing so that they understand because you're right it will be

[00:29:23] totalitarian and it doesn't happen peacefully you don't get to that kind of a state in a peaceful manner let me go to Sasha and then I want to get Agnes I just have one quick statement I believe that any form of socialism will actually turn into a totalitarian it's just you can talk about the socialism and countries like France and Denmark and all that but in

[00:29:53] time all these forms of socialism will probably end up in totalitarianism it's a strong belief it happened almost everywhere like he said in Russia the naming was different the structure was different and no but they were not socialists in the beginning they were communists from the very start they named themselves socialists as DSA does but they were Marxist and Marx was totalitarian even

[00:30:23] Marxist here is the problem you see when the second international also split between socialists who believe in the parliament system and later Lenin and even within the Russia workers social party they divided the difference to me the real difference between communism and socialism the form is they

[00:30:53] marked everybody who doesn't believe them enemies that's why in America what you see is the Islamist and socialists you know all this kind of socialists drawn force why they don't believe in the same thing but they believe in the same means they believe in the means of mocking people who disagree with them enemies they believe in the means of attacking anyone and then they eat their own

[00:31:22] like what you were talking about that happened eventually to the dictator which we didn't want the dictator to still be alive but but they devour their own so no one not going to be allied in the end what you are saying is exactly what totalitarianism means this is totalitarian control and that what makes communism communism and also one more thing which is important it's ideology totalitarian ideology so we

[00:31:52] should look at two things at totalitarian ideology and those people actually are followers of totalitarian ideology and of the means totalitarian means they actually are behind their struggle and focus on this thing totalitarianism and what Ovid says it's not necessarily the case as long as there is no totalitarian control

[00:32:22] socialism not necessarily would always win and we see this pattern in both Western Europe and in the United States I just came when Reagan was elected it was reaction to the growing socialism in that country and Reagan turned it back to capitalism and then we again saw some sliding back to socialism then Trump was elected which was controversial

[00:32:52] to me in many aspects but it definitely was moved back from socialism to capitalism as also we see in many states in America like Florida and other states so as long as there is democratic system and there is no totalitarian control even if socialism starts to become more powerful there are always forces which may turn it back and reelect some capitalist forces who

[00:33:22] would tame it down I totally agree with that and also remember in 1979 before Khomeini got to power the Iranian king warned the CIA said listen the most dangerous alliance in our country is the red black alliance the Islamists and the communists and what we are happening we have been fighting it for 47 years yeah that CIA said that's ridiculous CIA

[00:33:51] has a long report that that's the most ridiculous thing they never get along doesn't matter they are the people think of these people are the same kind of the most extreme Islamists or whatever dictators totalitarianists in human history Agnes before we go to the next portion I just wanted your reaction when you see this well when I think about having a future

[00:34:21] a workday without capitalism capitalism is growth and if there is no economy what day off you're going to get from what you go to work because you're hired by the government you get paid regardless if you sold anything or not but you just sit there and I want to share that first time I went to Hungary I walked into a fabric store and I wanted to see a particular fabric and this the employee

[00:34:51] one lady was sitting in the middle of the store on a stool fabric up there can't you see it from here and I said well I'd like to touch it

[00:35:27] fascism why don't you define fascism and also define capitalism fascism is authoritarian regime not totalitarian regime so we can for example call Franco Spain or Pinochet Chile we may call fascist country they are very different from communism and other

[00:35:57] totalitarian country because they are not ideological countries there is no ruling ideology in authoritarian countries they are dictators but no ruling ideology and also typical for authoritarian country that they control strictly political life and even eliminate their political opponents but they usually don't limit many other freedoms and first of all economic

[00:36:26] freedom so in authoritarian country like Chile or Spain we're very successful economically because totalitarian rule excludes any freedom both political economic and any other that's why we have such poverty and etc authoritarian country usually restrict political alternatives but leave

[00:36:56] virtually untouched economy religion and many other things so that's very important distinction between totalitarian and authoritarian and democracy is completely different country it has freedom it has alternative and change in government it has freedom both political freedom and economic freedom as we have in the United States so it's a third form of

[00:37:26] government which definitely is preferable to any others but even if I compare totalitarian and authoritarian government and I am not being human rights I don't love authoritarian government but I can say that totalitarian governments are much much worse and totalitarian system are much much worse than any authoritarian system I want to react on that first

[00:37:55] taking a day off don't even imagine under totalitarian you're not supposed to have minutes off to think up imagine anything you are a school of the whole machine so and without capitalism I have a funny story not a story you know experience to tell I was a factory worker for many years a factory worker and peasants so I never graduated from elementary school three years of education

[00:38:24] anyway so for that and when I was in factory everyone you ride bicycle how about if a school missing and how about something missing so we work six days a week 48 hours and the seventh day Sunday what we do friends gather together what are you missing a school okay I'm going back to make one for you what are you missing I'm missing something here okay I'm going

[00:38:54] so in that case we have capitalism but under capital we exchange things because communism never provide us things so that's what my bicycle once I have funny things I miss the front which prevents mud to throw to your face I didn't have that so somebody make a very funny shape for

[00:39:24] me that's what happened it's capitalism but not Egypt but it's some market element of market economy which exists and without it it's zero because only market economy produces government economy doesn't produce anything and when it is usually tried in the beginning of the communism when it's established in different countries like in the Soviet Union it started

[00:39:54] with so-called war communism which is virtually absolute form of communism virtually without money etc within several months everything collapsed and famine started and the same it's also tried in several other countries remember when Ethiopia turned to communist country it immediately famine immediately started in Ethiopia I mean definitely our liberals

[00:40:23] explained that there are some droughts etc but there were droughts before there are droughts after and in other countries when there are droughts people don't die of hunger 40 million people in China die yeah but people die of communist economy not of droughts on other things so it's in those little elements of market subdued black market you know

[00:40:53] often illegal market that's the only thing which makes those systems somehow alive and produce it's like band-aids keeping it going we have a common saying in all countries that they pretend we pretend to work they pretend to pay us that's right everybody knows that's sure yes well I want to circle back to Sasha story when she and her friends on Sundays would ask each other how can they help each other and what

[00:41:25] of this large production factory that was making all sorts of preserves well that was our currency because my father would come home with all sorts of preserves pickled goods and as he was the CFO sometimes he would go and inspect certain areas of factories and he would come home with the bribes that Alvi was mentioning well all those commodities that

[00:41:55] actually used as currency to trade whatever we were missing and that is the lack of capitalism I don't think anybody would want to live that to think well why do I have extra in my house and how can I trade it for something that I'm missing and something essential as trivial as toothpaste for example and we don't want that okay let's move to this part so we're reading I'm

[00:42:54] before a job to pay the bills and speaking of bills you don't really have them anymore because you have no debt you have no need you you don't need health insurance you don't pay a mortgage or have a landlord because comfortable housing is a human right your retirement is publicly funded food education energy medicine and transportation aren't for-profit businesses they're common goods and utilities

[00:43:23] go for it well in simple words it means 100% taxation that what all it means that government takes all money from you because this ideal system is moneyless system but moneyless system actually means 100% tax all money which you earn is taken from you

[00:43:53] and then the government decides to whom it will give what according to its criteria which has nothing to do with your work with your qualification with your profession because you are not left with anything for your job so it's absolute system of totalitarian control because they don't give you a cent they take away all your money

[00:44:23] and then they control 100% distribution of all that money full totalitarian control of your life of everything that's very simple you know and because in terms of people who are somehow know and learn about living capitalist society and knows what taxation is that's

[00:44:52] translation to this language that looks if you don't tell me it's from democratic socialist I would think it's a translation of Mao in 1958 when Mao started this collectivization and it's okay no that nothing no land everybody owns same thing and no family kitchen everybody eat in the big kitchen and you eat as much as you want and whatever

[00:45:22] you know the rest you produce more and you give it to the government to show how good you are because the cadres who were in charge wanted to show how great they were how good the system including seeds for next year so one year later starvation began

[00:45:51] I still remember those years I was very two years old I remember eating lousy things anyway so very very soon since there are no seeds there no production of course no dead nothing everything the state provides and very soon the state canteen has no food and in three years 40 million people perished completely perished

[00:46:20] you have horror stories from slogans like that and people eating people cannibalism and you have even the cities starve and the worst thing is that when the starvation happened the communist leaders had no idea what happened because they purged everyone who dare to say anything so two years later in the end of 1961 United States ordered researchers to study is

[00:46:50] China having a famine because we heard so much from people swing to Hong Kong and come up the conclusions that no China did continuing export grains and the leaders had no idea they did not know people died 40 million people perished I grow up I remember another famine I survived

[00:47:20] for two months eating one thing cabbage oh gosh I don't eat cabbage now I hate it still don't but you know that's the copy of mouse instruction he said a copy he learned him that from his great teacher Joseph Stalin you know who did the same thing 20 years earlier right with collectivization famine 1928 yeah yes so actually what this sounds to me in modern more

[00:47:50] modern language is slavism you work you give to the government the government gives back a little tiny bed for you but you own nothing you don't own your home you don't own your apartment you can't buy any luxurious anything it's basically slave being a slave for the government well and it isn't just luxuries for sure and even things that we don't consider luxuries right now like socks

[00:48:20] and toothpaste you've talked about they would be considered a luxury when you get into that oh no free all right if there is no capital there's no debt if there is no capital there's there's no health insurance if there is no capital how can you pay for a house if there is no capital how can you fund public retirement if there is no capital how can you have food education and energy so

[00:48:49] without capital without capitalism that has no meaning whatsoever so how are you going to sustain a society with no debt now the question that we need to ask them is not just what country that practices socialism has succeeded what capitalistic country has failed I would like to

[00:49:19] name you one you know I mean so it's what they are putting out there is so so ridiculous you know that was part three and I keep thinking about how quickly they move from the promises to the question who decides in the next episode we go further into the same program they want a new constitution public ownership of the largest corporations the democratic

[00:49:49] socialists of America want to abolish the senate abolish the electoral college abolish the police abolish prisons and really they want to shred our entire constitution i asked our panelists to have seen all of this before what happens next that is part four be sure to check it out before we close i hope you'll share all or part of these surviving communism episodes with your family and friends so they understand the unintended real life consequences of

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