Angel Mom: The Man Who Took Her Son's Life Had Already Been Deported Once | Agnes Gibboney

[00:00:00] I sat down with people from five countries who know what communism actually does. Today, we will learn more about what happened to them in communist countries, to their families, their food, their churches and their futures. That baby girl is my guest. Agnes Gibboney was born in Budapest in 1954, less than a decade after communists took complete control of Hungary, and they did not take the control overnight.

[00:00:24] They took it in slices, one institution at a time, until there was nothing left to take. By the time Agnes was born, Hungary was a full dictatorship, ration cards, a secret police that came at night, and it was against the law to baptize a baby. So Agnes was baptized in secret, and her parents could not attend because a couple standing in the back of the church would have been a dead giveaway.

[00:00:49] Her godparents took her, and her mother's co-workers gave up their rationed meal tickets so the family could put a meal on the table afterward. Those people had almost nothing. Meat was rationed, yet they spent their share on a christening they could not attend for a baby who would never even remember it. The government controlled the food, but it could not control their faith.

[00:01:13] Agnes talks of her time in a refugee camp, then Brazil for 13 years, and finally to America, arriving stateless, belonging to no country at all. Here's Agnes Gibboney. Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show.

[00:01:43] Agnes, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you so much for having me. So we're going to talk about your son. Before we get into that, I think it's important to set the stage and to let people know you actually are an immigrant yourself. I am. I was born in Budapest, Hungary. My parents escaped right after the 1956 revolution, and we ended up in a refugee camp for about 10 months

[00:02:11] and wanted to come to the United States, but it didn't work out quite that well. So we ended up in Brazil where I grew up, lived there for 13 years before legally immigrating to the United States. And when you were in Brazil, you've told me a story about how your mother was going through all the process of applying, and you got a knock at the door one day. You were probably, what, 13 years old? Actually, I was 15. 15. 15, yes.

[00:02:39] And I might add, there was this guy that had the most gorgeous looking eyes, and 15 years old, and I just stood at the door just staring at his eyes. He was so good looking. It was a friend of the family who worked at the American Embassy in Rio de Janeiro, and he came and said, is your mom home? And I said, no, please tell her that tomorrow is the last day to continue with the paperwork that she had already applied for previously,

[00:03:06] because the first two applications lapsed, so she had to start all over. And if she doesn't go tomorrow, she would have to start all over again. So next day, my mother went. We had already done the background investigation, which is a thorough background investigation in Hungary for all four of us, my father, my mother, my brother, myself, and also in Brazil to make sure we did not have any criminal record whatsoever.

[00:03:31] And then the next part would have been the medical part, and that's how things started rolling. And we, in November of 1970, we legally immigrated to the United States as permanent residents. Wow. And then you became a permanent resident, and eventually you became a citizen. Yes. I became a naturalized citizen on June 30th, 1983, two months before I married my husband.

[00:04:00] For 43 years, we married 43 years. And I'll tell you, I was so overwhelmed by the process. You had to do a test, and they said, do not look, do not talk to anybody, because if you do rip up your test and you have to start the process all over. So I just sat on my desk. I just, I looked down.

[00:04:24] I didn't want to, I didn't want anybody looking at me or talking to me or asking me what time it is. Nothing. I said, don't even look at me. I did my test. I got 100% on my test. I got 100% on my test and paid my $50 cash, which was in 1980, 83. I mean, and then we had to come back at 1.30 to go up on the eighth floor at the INS building for the judge to swear a sin.

[00:04:53] And I had to give my green card back, which was not green. It was blue. Yeah, it was blue. And now I guess it's white. But anyways, had to give it back. And then I got my beautiful certificate saying, you are an American citizen. And for the first time, I belong somewhere because Hungary had taken our citizenship away. So immigrating to Brazil as stateless and immigrating to the United States as stateless.

[00:05:23] For the first time, I belong somewhere. I had a country to call my own. That must have been an incredible, an incredible feeling. Yes. And I violated the rules right there because I walked out of court and I stood there holding my certificate, took a picture. And right on the bottom says it's a federal law to take a picture of the certificate. But everybody was doing it. We're so excited, you know. But that is amazing.

[00:05:50] So then you have had a life in California. You have children. Yes. How many children? I actually have three children. My son, Ronald, from my ex-husband and two daughters, Stephanie and Melissa, with my present husband. And tell me a little bit about Ronald. Ronald was 29 years old. He had two children. They were eight and ten.

[00:06:19] He had gone over to her house. They were not together. They were trying to get back together. And to drop off a watermelon and some fruits for the kids. And she hadn't gotten home. So he was about to leave. Was standing on the driveway when this gang, talking to his friend Robert, when this gang member came from the back in the dark and fired.

[00:06:44] And my son got shot in the arm and the bullet traveled across the chest and severed the main artery. And he died three and a half hours later in surgery. Did he know this person? I didn't know. So I'm sure they knew each other because they all went to the same elementary school together. Where were you when this happened?

[00:07:08] I was actually camping with my two daughters with Girl Scouts at Lake Paris when the park ranger came shining his bright light into the tents, yelling out my name. And I initially thought, oh, my God, something happened to my mother because she was having a lot of issues with high blood pressure. And I thought, oh, my gosh.

[00:07:30] And then I called home and my husband said that Tom, who was our best man at our wedding from El Monte PD, called and said that Ronald was shot on the shoulder. He's in surgery, expected to survive. That's what my husband told me. So I threw everything in the van and then headed home. My daughter said I was going 110 miles an hour. I don't think so because it didn't seem like I was going fast enough.

[00:07:58] But I got home and my two daughters went inside and they started crying because they said they wanted to come with me to the hospital and to see their big brother. And then I walked in and my husband met me. We had just moved into my house a month before. And he met me in the hallway and gave me a hug and he goes, I'm so sorry. And I said, no, that's OK.

[00:08:24] I said, I just want to change and go to the hospital so I can be there when Ronald wakes up from surgery because my son was 29 years old. He was the biggest baby when it came to needles. If the doctor pulled out a needle, he was out the door. He was so petrified. And I thought, poor kid, you know, IV and this and that. And God knows what they did with the bullet wound. And all I wanted to do was to be there. And I tried to walk away.

[00:08:53] And my husband held me back and said, no, you don't understand. Ronald didn't make it. And I felt like somebody poured a gallon of hot water over my head and just went. And I became very disoriented. I called my mother. And I told her, I said, she goes, what's with Ronald? She had already heard because Gloria, his ex-girlfriend called. And what's with Ronald? And I said, well, what? And my father yelling in the background, what's with my Ronald?

[00:09:23] What's with my Ronald, your first grandchild? And my mother said, what is it? And I said, Ronald isn't here anymore. I couldn't say he died. I said, Ronald isn't here. And my mother said, Jesus Christ. I said, don't you joke like that in Hungarian. And I said, when have I ever joked about anything serious in my life? And my mother just paused. And my father's yelling, what's with my Ronald? What's with Ronald? And my mother said, what?

[00:09:52] And I said, Ronald isn't here anymore. And my father yelled out, what's with Ronald? And my mother said, he's dead. And then my father just let out this. Oh, I would never forget that. That sound. And I went to pick her up, went to the Omani PD. They called the unit with my two daughters. And they took us in to County USC where he was taken. And two of the officers were there.

[00:10:21] One that went in the ambulance, one that followed. And I asked him, I said, did my son say anything? And he goes, no, ma'am. I say he opened his eyes in the ambulance and then passed out from losing so much blood. And all I wanted to hear is tell my mom, my lover. That's all I wanted him to say. But it wasn't meant to be.

[00:10:49] And they took us upstairs to the second floor into this tiny little office. And I was petrified of dead bodies, you know, because I hadn't had any experience with dead people. But I was spooked by dead bodies. And I thought, I'm going to be seeing somebody else's dead body here because it's not going to be Ronald. And from that, they opened another door into this big room. They had wall-to-wall floor-to-seating drapes and five chairs on the side.

[00:11:19] Really large room. And at one point we're talking, I'm carrying on like nothing happened because I'm still not believing that it's my son. And then the officer stands to the side holding his clipboard and goes, Mrs. Giboney, your son is behind the drapes. And I almost fainted. It was like somebody punched me in the gut. I couldn't breathe. I sat down and I said, I got to get myself together. I have to be strong.

[00:11:46] And then they opened the drapes and there's a window in front of my face with a gurney. And I see Ronald's face, the green sheets with a tiny smudge of blood on the edge over here. His eyes were still taped. He was still incubated. My son was a prankster. And I thought, this is a real good one. This tops everything. And I banged on the window.

[00:12:14] And I said, Ronald, for God's sakes, open your eyes. Please don't do this. Don't leave me. Just open your eyes. He didn't. I wasn't allowed to touch my son. I wasn't allowed to hold his hand, even though all the nurses and doctors already did that. But he became part of a homicide investigation.

[00:12:38] And the next time I saw him, I was in the morgue, cold and clammy and just thinking, this is a nightmare and I'm going to wake up from this. This is just a bad nightmare. And day after day, week after week, I couldn't sleep for that first week. And my husband kept saying, just lay down a little bit. I was totally functioning on adrenaline. I didn't sleep. I didn't want to eat.

[00:13:07] I know people from the school and the wives of the officers, police officers, because my husband was a deputy chief in El Monte PD. They would bring food. Some family would bring food every night. And I didn't care about eating. I wasn't hungry at all, you know, and which I still remember everybody that brought. I was very thankful. But I wasn't hungry. I didn't think anybody else was either. You know?

[00:13:37] And then comes the funeral, the mortuary. My daughter read a eulogy for her brother. You just don't want to see your children suffering like that to have to bury their brother, you know? And all I asked that day was, Ronald, please help me remember every detail about today. Because today is my last day with you.

[00:14:06] And I remember everything following the hearse to the cemetery. I waited until they lowered him into the ground because I wanted to make sure they're going to not switch caskets, you know, make sure my son is there. And then we went back to El Monte for a reception that the former mayor of El Monte organized.

[00:14:32] And when I got there, a couple said, oh, here's Agnes. And she goes, honey, I know exactly how you feel. And I was, I got really mad. And I said, do you really? And she goes, well, I had a child who also died, died of natural causes. And it was a big difference. At least you had the chance to say goodbye. I didn't. My son's life was taken by someone who should have never been in this country who was deported before.

[00:15:01] And, and after that, I honestly, I don't, I remember the mayor saying, Agnes, eat something. I think I'm not hungry. So I ate a couple of pieces of fruit. And my brother was there. And I said to my husband later, I says, gosh, my brother left and never sat by. And she's, he said, are you kidding me? You walked him to the car. I said, I did. I don't, I didn't remember that. I remembered everything up to what I needed to remember. Yeah. And after that, I totally shut down.

[00:15:30] But the tragedy didn't just end there. Because four months after my son was murdered, my brother kept saying, my only sibling, he kept saying, Agi, take down the pictures. And I said, that's all I have left of my son. And he goes, that just makes you sad. And I said, I'm sad regardless. I don't need to look at a picture to be sad. And four months later, he had a massive stroke. And then the next day he died.

[00:15:57] So that guy not only took my son, but took my brother indirectly. You just mentioned that the man who did this had been deported before. Yes. So he came into the country, was deported, came back into the country, and then he killed your son. What's ironic is he had a long history of arrests.

[00:16:26] He had an alien number. And we were told that if you immigrate here, make sure you don't break the law because you can be deported. Why wasn't this guy deported? Why? That's one big question I would like to ask every politician out there. What are you doing? You're not enforcing your own immigration laws and your own principles.

[00:16:48] Then after he got deported, he came back and got arrested for inflicting bodily injury to his girlfriend or wife, whoever she was. And it was three weeks or two, three weeks in jail, and the judge released him on probation. And I thought, okay, where's the failure in the judicial system that this judge sitting on the bench is not looking, say, Mr. Gonzalez, what are you doing here?

[00:17:16] You were deported and immediately turned him over to INS, which then was Immigration Naturalization Service. And they did nothing. They just released him back on the streets. Same thing that's happening now. How many illegal aliens are arrested, arrested over and over and gets released, and then they go and kill somebody? And he had a violent history. He was hurting his wife or girlfriend or whoever it was. Yes. It wasn't some, like, jaywalking. No. No.

[00:17:44] He was a full-blown gang member. He was arrested numerous times before death. Was your son in a gang? No. No. No. My son had no tattoos at all. In fact, my older daughter had Angel Wing over here on her wrist. And she says, why don't you get one for Ronald? And I said, why would I get a tattoo when Ronald had none? You know. And whatever. It's how she is grieving the way she needs to grieve.

[00:18:15] yeah and that's fine yeah that's totally fine but but your point is it's this happened several years ago 24 years 24 years ago tattoos were not quite like they are right right now and most the gang gangs had tattoos to identify their gang membership so you saying that he did not have a tattoo it's very important because it means he wasn't in a gang now my son had no tattoos that's

[00:18:43] even on the on the death certificate no tattoos method of death homicide gunshot wound and and in fact the guy that killed him had the name of the gang tattooed really big on the back of his neck the this man who did it he um how did he get back in the country that's a good question through the

[00:19:06] porous open borders he was deported in california at otai mesa in san diego and how did he come back when did he come back and we don't even know no we don't even know until he got arrested a few months later after he got deported so who know he may have they may have put him okay you go back bye he crossed in and he came back on the other side i mean who knows how yeah and even nowadays thank god for

[00:19:33] president trump building the wall you have to have uh uh secure our borders because we don't want criminals coming in and by all means i'm not saying that every illegal alien excuse me is is a criminal but there was a sure number of them out there victimizing innocent american people and and politicians do nothing they look the other way yeah and may god forgive me for what i'm about to say but maybe if each

[00:20:01] one of them lost a child maybe they'll start doing something a little bit differently because my child is murder means nothing to them they didn't know my son they don't they didn't care about my tears my grief and my pain and my suffering they don't care because it's not theirs but how many hundreds how many thousands of families are destroyed lake and riley uh she was a year older than my children and she

[00:20:31] had the same first grade teacher um and i just met sheridan gorman's parents at the republican national convention a few weeks ago uh the the mother's pain i met her parents and her sister and they all were speaking and i happened to be walking through and and met them and and she talked to me for a little while oh her pain your pain is

[00:21:00] is raw right now her pain is just absolutely palpable because it it just so we didn't march it was so recent and um it it just never these murder happens car wrecks happen drug overdoses happen americans are drug dealers

[00:21:25] these things happen the problem with the crime from illegal immigrants is that our own government has failed american citizens and allowed lawlessness to exist in america and that lawlessness has bred further lawlessness like the murder of your son exactly or the murder of sheridan gorman or of lake and riley or kate steimey or yeah you know you go down the list you know

[00:21:55] and every one of these victims is a a a death that could have been should have been prevented if those illegal alien criminals weren't in the country and if it was a car wreck i still say it they wouldn't have been here if the law had been followed that's it would not have been here if they had not broken our law to get in the country and the country had not turned a blind

[00:22:21] eye to that lawlessness though those car wrecks never would have had the opportunity to happen that's right that's so even if it wasn't um murder it it still was a death that did not need to happen absolutely some people have come to me and said well it could have been johnny that killed your son well it could have but it wasn't so don't even go there because it wasn't right it was that

[00:22:45] illegal alien gang member that pulled the trigger and killed my son so there was no it could have been johnny it could have been anything it wasn't no it wasn't how about um the 12 year old little girl that was raped by the two guys

[00:23:06] i mean i nangarei i believe uh how many of these lives have to be destroyed how many how many do democrats want what's the magic number why don't you put your family their families in how would they feel if they were standing pick one of your children which one would you pick to put in that coffin

[00:23:32] which one you know but they don't care because they are protected they they don't care but the rest of us the the the average uh people i never thought crime would struck me because we weren't in gangs i didn't know anybody in a gang was a deputy police chief yeah yes you did not think that was going to happen no never never and then the judicial system how they victimize you um going into court and and the judge

[00:24:01] pleading with the killer saying mr gonzalez uh you should take a plea bargain he was going for first degree or 45 to life or second degree 25 to life and i looked at my husband i go what in the world is this guy doing and pleading with a murderer and then mr gonzalez say you sure you don't want to take a plea bargain you still be a young man have time with your children how offensive and disrespectful

[00:24:31] of that probably liberal judge to say something like that in front of the mother and then a third time mr gonzalez you should consider and then he took a plea bargain got it and was it in front of you and his children were his children your grandchildren in there no okay it was just my husband and i okay because we we knew that it was just jury selection that day so my daughters wanted to come my mother wanted to come and i said you don't need to come you're just going

[00:25:00] to sit there for nothing and uh unfortunately they missed it because i didn't know that it was going to be poofy was going to be over and uh and the judge this liberal judge to be saying something like this uh in front of the mother like take a plea bargain why are you pleading with a murderer let the jury decide what's going to happen with this guy yeah no but he took that away too

[00:25:25] and they took away the ability for you to still touch your son one more time while he was still warm absolutely absolutely and uh and not only that i was violated uh because the victim's family has the right to say their impact statement i wasn't i wasn't allowed to say my impact statement so i never was

[00:25:49] able to address this guy and um and then i found out later because you don't know here here let me be graphic here that body doesn't have a toe tag with a booklet of instructions on how you need to navigate through the process ahead of you and uh the judge um uh didn't give me the right to say an impact

[00:26:15] statement and i think was a year later i found out that through the parole department they should have contacted me what their suggestions were and they never did so i contacted them and i said i wanted to ask you um my name is Agnes Gibboney my son Ronald da Silva uh was murdered by luis humberto gonzalez

[00:26:37] and uh you had the um uh suggestion for what sentencing uh for the judge to impose and he goes yeah uh yeah hold on let me pull the file hold on hold on a second oh yeah yeah yeah i see it here mrs gibboni i see it here and i said can you tell me what they were he says didn't you get a a call and i said no i didn't and i said um oh let me see here oh and it shows here that you addressed the court with your impact statement and i said excuse me i said i never did this is could you please send me a

[00:27:07] copy of that and he goes hold on a sec let me ask my supervisor he came back on the phone and said sorry my supervisor said i can't talk to you and i'm not up who does that to a victim's family did you ever get a copy of him no no i would like to get a copy of it still today i never got a copy of that and who's the one that lied and said that i addressed the court

[00:27:30] i never addressed the court right you show me what my impact statement is that's that is absolutely terrible it's terrible and it's such a a violation of your rights uh of a victim's rights it's just absolutely incredible so after that i ran a support group um within eight months i was

[00:27:53] basically just thrown in there to run the group i was elected as a uh co-leader and the leader never showed up so i ended up taking over but i learned a lot and i helped many many victims of murder uh murdered victims families not necessarily by illegal aliens uh and i taught them how to fight for themselves because i already been burned in the court system i thought you're not gonna do because

[00:28:20] i'm gonna have your back i had nobody having my back i'm so glad that you're able to do that yeah i still do that i still do that anybody that calls i'm there to help now i don't want to call out any any names on this you you and i were talking um and you told me that you went to a different kind of support group for for um people whose children had died and at that one they wouldn't even let you tell

[00:28:47] oh yes i won't mention the name as you ask me uh it was a big uh gathering uh it was in hollywood and if you got close to attend this it's a yearly convention for this particular group and uh we were in a big room and some people say my dad my child was stillborn my child died of cancer you know which is horrible either way and uh when it got to me there was me and three other uh victims family and i said

[00:29:15] my son was murdered and i got called out i said please we don't use that word we don't what do you want me to say my son was murdered he was shot and killed do you want me to put little roses around it like democrats do anything you know no it's that's a reality so we're told not to use the word murdered

[00:29:35] he was taken uh he he passed he passed well my son didn't pass his life was taken yeah he didn't and um i don't i i don't i it's that is such garbage it's just absolutely absolutely such garbage it's political correctness gone wrong there's nothing correct about it it's absolutely incorrect it's

[00:30:03] what they are doing is wrong and it's um it's kind of cognitive dissonance they're sitting there with somebody who's who is the victim of a murder you are the victim you you are suffering as a victim of a of a person who is murdered and then they're like no no no we're not going to talk about that no no it like it doesn't happen like that doesn't exist yeah that it's like it didn't happen um well

[00:30:33] then don't say your child was stillborn then don't say your child died of cancer either if i'm not allowed to say my child died because he was murdered none of their children were still there yeah all passed so why would you yeah yeah it was too harsh you know there's something that my my dad is a minister and he always says that when he's going to he's extraordinarily gifted

[00:31:01] with helping people when their loved one dies he's just he's god bless him he's it's it's a strange thing to say that about a person but he's extremely gifted with this and um and i've watched it my my entire life and he's told me you have to use the word dead and died and it's very important to use that

[00:31:24] and then when you're talking to the families you have to do that because there is finality in it and and oftentimes like when you were talking to your mother you were still you were still in denial yourself because it was just so so quickly in their stages of grief and he's trying to help them because because they're getting ready for a burial so some of it is that but we've talked a lot about

[00:31:51] this and he said our society today they we don't want to use these words anymore yes we just say passed or but he passed on and my dad said in my dad has always said it's just that is not the what we need to be we need to be using the word that it is because that word means something so specific well murder means something very specific and we can't just gloss over it and act like it didn't happen

[00:32:20] no and you can't sugarcoat it either no you just can't no because uh somebody made a choice to load um uh to load that gun that gun didn't load itself and walk down the driveway a long driveway and fire itself somebody had to do that and uh and they should be held accountable and responsible for the devastation that they left behind i never went after him for restitution

[00:32:49] uh for my funeral expenses or anything because i didn't want any blood money besides i wouldn't have gotten anything anyway but i just in my mind i just couldn't right my heart just told me i just don't even bother with that because i i don't want his money um did you know about illegal immigration before this happened were you tuned into it you know uh after ronald was killed for i think about

[00:33:18] eight years i didn't know he was an illegal alien that killed ronald wow and until i would every now and then uh every year i would call the department of corrections and rehabilitations which there is no and i was like a hospital rehabilitation in california to find out where my guy was and um and i got this angel on the other line and she said sweetheart have you reported your case to the

[00:33:44] federal government and i said no i said i reported with you guys uh so i can keep track of where he's at and she goes no sweetheart call the federal government in dc and report your case because um uh he's gonna he has an ice detainer and i said he has an alien number and i said alien number i had an alien number

[00:34:10] i know exactly what that is and i said can you give me that number and she goes yeah hold on a second she gave me the number and uh and that's how i found out that he was an illegal alien they had been deported before then during the trial some of the discovery stuff came out about him the detectives gave me some uh actually la sheriff was investigating and elmani was assisting and uh it's funny because i think a year

[00:34:39] year or two ago one of the um uh my husband's co-workers and elmani officer passed away and we were at his funeral and this other uh officer who was a detective uh at the time also uh when ronald was shot and he was doing some of the investigation too and he said i remember to this day your husband coming

[00:35:02] to me and saying pump it up pump it up and i said what do you mean penny and he said your husband was seeing how much you're suffering and the guy had fled to mexico and he said pump it up and next thing i know uh elmani pd went down to to the border to pick the guy up he was gonna turn himself in and then he didn't

[00:35:29] and it was such a letdown i felt so devastated but i remember a week later or a few days later a week later i was in the front yard just watering the the grass you know the plants and just in my i was in la la land and the phone rang i answered and uh he was a detective and he goes agnes how are you doing

[00:35:55] and i said steve uh white rider was his name and i says i'm doing good how are you he says uh and tom says uh hey we got him and i went my neighbor across the street he looked he goes are you okay and i says i am fine i am fine and because all i wanted so this is the deception all i wanted was for him to get arrested and i because before i would look at every people that look like a gang member is that

[00:36:25] him is that him is that him is that so that's how i live my life and uh knowing that he was incarcerated then i said dear god just do justice so he can pay for what he has done so he got that and then i thought then i'll be okay he was sentenced to prison i still wasn't okay because my son still wasn't there right it's just a false sense of security it's a good thing to know the justice

[00:36:52] prevailed to some extent but it's it's just never the pain just never goes away the only thing that would take the pain away if my son walked in which it's impossible right um have you met other angel families have you been able to help them

[00:37:18] many angel families actually i'm helping a friend of mine bonnie's uh bonnie uh drixel whose daughter was also shot and killed in california and uh she was at a convenience store and the gang just this was their testimony that he just wanted to go out and shoot somebody who who does that go shoot cans out in the middle of the desert you know and he uh uh when she heard the gunshot

[00:37:46] she turned to walk back inside got shot in the back of the head and the bullet came out here so just horrific the guy got three life sentences three plus 61 years in prison and he is going to court next month uh to try to reduce his sentence saying he didn't get a fair

[00:38:10] trial and blah blah blah and on top of that if that is an insult already and poor bonnie said i thought i was done with this that i could just put this just live my life and i have to deal with this um when he turns 55 he's going to be released because california has elderly parole it doesn't matter

[00:38:32] so what in the world does three life sentences mean and the jury awarded that so who is the california department of corrections to undo all that it's just insane it's a victimization that just keeps on giving just keeps on victimizing it just never ends and when does this stop um it it i don't know

[00:39:01] i don't have an answer for that it's it's just so mind-boggling we talk uh quite a few times and and i told her i said i um actually somebody asked uh is somebody helping she says yeah i have an advocate agnes gibboni i said trust me i'll go to modesta which is like six seven hours drive or more i don't know i'll fly there i'll help represent you and be uh be there for you because you're not going through

[00:39:27] this alone yeah and i help other family uh members anything that they need that i can help if i get a call from a new family member in fact just before i left to come here to a client uh i got a uh an email from a guy because i founded the uh angel families of america and so he contacted saying his son was just

[00:39:49] killed a month two months ago and i'm thinking oh my god that what a road this family has devastated um and i said um i i sent him an email back i haven't heard back and i called also left my phone number because i answered the calls and they were dumbfounded that i answered the calls but um anybody

[00:40:12] that needs help i'm there i then i refer them to the office of voice uh in the sea that uh helps them uh track the illegal alien and give them uh guidance and information uh i i try every avenue i can think of uh to help families everything within my power yeah to help families because if somebody reduces

[00:40:37] distress of just trying to figure out your way to dismay the legal system and and the the craziness it takes some of the pressure off well and you you're already grieving you don't need that that complication on top of the the grieving so anything you can do to help ease that complication is

[00:41:01] is a true gift to those correct to those families yeah thank you um the the president has done amazing work hasn't he yes thank god for president trump he's the only one that gave uh the broader children alive he has given a voice to those that whose voice were taken and honored us angel moms

[00:41:29] and dads and dads and families um by recognizing this is a real tragedy in united states and from the very get-go president trump we're going to build the wall yeah we're going to build the wall and he recognized what needed to be done and i am so thankful so honored to call this man my president and i voted for him three times and if i could vote for him three more times i really would

[00:41:58] uh i mean he has done amazing for this country and i don't understand the vicious ugly people out there just bashing him and and degrading him if they only knew what a down-to-earth caring person he is they you know uh they would be shocked have you met him i met him several times i've been to the

[00:42:22] white house uh a few times and uh president trump would always make a comment about my son he would say tom sellick but much better looking oh that's so he always made a comment yeah yes um i i i think that he is extremely compassionate he is in unlike any other politician because most politicians they

[00:42:49] they don't want to hear sobbing stories president trump takes his time yeah yeah and i've heard this well not necessarily directly one-on-one but i've heard it in read articles about this from other from other families yeah um in fact february i was at the white house february 23rd and uh he named uh february 22nd national day of remembrance of angel families that's amazing

[00:43:18] yeah and that's my father's birthday oh that's wonderful yeah that's wonderful um what is it that you want people to to know about the importance of a secure border a secure border is essential to keep undesirables out of our country if anybody that wants to give the honor to come to united states there was a legal process

[00:43:46] we have this is a nation of laws follow the law that's it just follow the law apply like my family did and come here legally like most most and i would tend to say 95 98 percent of legal immigrants

[00:44:09] like myself love and respect this country we don't take it for granted we love respect and fight for this country and uh and the ones that don't that think that we owe them something go home i would like to see every public assistance taken away from illegal aliens i don't care if it's through a church

[00:44:34] uh through uh whatever office they they they get their uh free stuff uh free education and that because that costs us taxpayers money i want to see um uh none of this uh low income housing nonsense how about the elderly how about the veterans let's put our elderly and the veterans first

[00:45:01] instead of illegal aliens who don't belong in this country and frankly and some say well how about the ones that lived here 20 30 years i am sorry you did that long living in the shadows why didn't you do something to try to apply sorry you benefited all these years now pack your stuff and go home you waited 13 years to come here exactly we never thought about overstaying a visa about marrying a u.s

[00:45:28] citizen uh climbing over a fence or under a fence never we waited the process because we respected this country and i still respect this country i'm a very law abiding person i believe in law and order and a lot of these illegal aliens don't so go back make your country better go fight for your country whatever you came from and i don't care if it's hungary brazil um i don't care go back to your country make your country

[00:45:56] better you don't cut in front of those they have been waiting years to legally come to this country what do you say to people who want to abolish ice and just um have a open immigration policy a disaster that is an absolute disaster i don't know who the genius uh that came up with that idea

[00:46:22] uh i love ice i said this at the ice headquarters uh earlier this year i love ice in my water i love ice in my drink but i love ice on the streets better keeping us safe uh i love ice uh the men and women of ice are hard-working dedicated men they're upholding uh the laws of the immigration laws of this country and they're doing absolutely right and here how many videos do you see are they uh being fed on

[00:46:50] facebook or whatever that they know they're here illegally and ice shows up and they try to run and create a scene just give yourself up you're going to be taken in and handcuffed anyways right so why even bother fighting and all those little idiots in the back oh ice and then cussing them out and showing flipping them off and throwing stuff at them they all should be arrested

[00:47:16] for interfering and if the people already had a detainer and have been arrested they shouldn't even be on the street in the first place that's exactly right i uh my next door neighbor's ex-wife got a letter of deportation and uh then she did something that she should have never done she tried the husband divorced and it's a long story but she came back in the neighborhood

[00:47:42] and uh tried to side swipe my car and it's a big mistake filed a police report and reported it to ice i haven't heard if she had been deported or not but it was like four years ago that she got the notice you get a notice out that you need to leave the country december 5th december 6th go pick him up

[00:48:06] just throw him out put him on a on a one-way ticket and get him out of here i mean we have to enforce the laws of this country we have to put americans first and president trump is doing that and ice is doing that um i mean yeah i god bless the man and woman of ice and some people would say well you're not being compassionate to the to people who want to immigrate here i'm very compassionate to

[00:48:33] people that want to legally immigrate here these are not immigrants this is how the other the democrats have brainwashed uh but through the media us by saying what they are called uh undocumented immigrants they are not immigrants they are illegal aliens let's call them what they are don't put the immigrants after illegal uh you know then they came um undocumented immigrants uh uh all kinds of

[00:49:01] terms that they came out with like dreamers yeah the i don't care you know i've been to many um city council meetings where uh daca dreamers were there disgusting disrespectful little punks getting in the face of the sheriff's officer and says i'm undocumented and unafraid what are you gonna do about it oh my god i wish god i wish i had the power i would grab them right there knock

[00:49:28] them on the ground handcuff them i'll say back to ice headquarters to detention center next day deported and instead of saying you know i haven't seen one that said that instead of saying thank you so much i was a small child i was a small child when i was taken out of hungary uh i had no say so so i understand that aspect i was a small child i didn't know that i was here illegally until i was in high

[00:49:57] school uh but this is the only country i know i love this country i respect this country please let me stay not just cussing and and spitting and and uh flipping uh flipping us off no get out of here we don't need your type here now you got an education in united states now you're bilingual go back to your

[00:50:19] country make your country better and one last question if um it is people consider voting um whether it's in the the upcoming election or future elections how important do you think it is that they're voting for people who work to secure the border

[00:50:42] absolutely essential because if you vote for not to secure the border i'll guarantee you it's a matter of time that one of your child or their child is going to end up six feet under like my son and i'm not saying every illegal alien is a criminal i'm not saying that but the chances will be there because let me tell you under this last administration that resided in the uh residence at the white house

[00:51:09] um there was an awful lot of gangs awful lot of bad people that came in and we need to remove them all yes we need to remove them all because we need to our first duty is to protect and defend our country against foreign and domestic invaders i don't care where you're from and not to mention these

[00:51:36] people cost us taxpayers billions and billions of dollars a year frankly i am tired of paying higher taxes year after year to support the riffraff that comes in here that they got that memo where to get free this and free that and at the expense of uh american citizens look i went to uh kaiser one time

[00:52:00] to the er i had kidney surgery to remove a kidney stone that i wish my body would produce diamonds instead of just stones um i would be rich today and i was in horrific horrific pain after they took the stent out my kidney spasms and the pain is 10 times worse than passing the stone and i'm sitting there uh my daughter took me in and i said uh i had the stent removed this morning and my kidney

[00:52:30] spasming i need to see someone i i'm in horrific pain i'll just take a seat we'll call you about an hour later i go back and i said excuse me can you please tell me how long before i get called in and he goes look at the uh waiting room uh when it's your turn we'll call you and i'm looking i sat down and i started talking to one woman she brought her kid into the er with a little runny nose

[00:52:57] an illegal alien getting public assistance i go talk to another guy that comes in and uh and says uh do you have uh what insurance do you have kaiser no no i got public assistance and i'm thinking i'm paying for my insurance i have to wait to for the riffraff to be taken care of if i go to any country and i need medical assistance i better put the pay before they see me me mexico does that all the time you don't get

[00:53:27] any treatment unless you pay ahead of time and why are we allowing these politicians in dc have to be removed more than about three quarters 58 90 percent of them need to be removed because they are helping destroy this country by not standing up for a constitution and for our country uh one last

[00:53:51] question and i know the answer to it but i i want you to answer it anyway um i mean i know the general answer the there are a lot of people who just want to grant amnesty to the people who have been here illegally but are working what do you say to that including certain members of congress and they've said oh well president trump is uh not being loyal to the non that doesn't even make sense to

[00:54:20] i guess these they're trying to say to hispanic people who voted for him but it was citizens who voted for him not non-citizens let me say it nem in hungarian no in portuguese no in spanish and big no fat big no in english you don't get amnesty ronald reagan was the first president i've ever voted for

[00:54:47] incredible man he made a mistake of giving amnesty to uh people the first time did anything change nothing they didn't secure the border they didn't do anything it just continued the abuse continued this is an abuse this is not um i had this conversation with my sister-in-law who said well these are my people they just want to come here and work no then they apply for h1 h1 or h2b visa

[00:55:16] so we know who they are then they can come legally vote work for the season whatever and then go back there you go right it doesn't cost us trillions of dollars imagine if we removed every illegal alien that came into this country to give birth and now it's an american citizen get all the perks and

[00:55:37] all the benefits if all that ended have that uh 33 or whatever 43 trillion that we owe it would be cut in half yeah it would be cut in half because we are in debt for giving too much for people that don't appreciate and abuse the kindness of taxpayers and and only a certain percentage of population pays

[00:55:59] taxes that supports the riffraff enough is enough enough enough people that for they live on welfare for generation after generation no welfare is for a specific purpose stop it go work go get a job agnes gibney thank you so much for joining me we have to secure the border we've got to do

[00:56:24] everything that we can to prevent what happened to you and to your son and to your family from happening to other families in america thank you for being willing to share your story and to share the heartbreak that you you live through still today but to try to prevent that heartbreak from happening to other families thank you so much for the opportunity for me to share my story and i hope that america uh will stand by this country and thank you president trump for securing

[00:56:53] our borders and fighting for us that was agnes gibney and here's what makes her different from everyone else in this series she was an infant and she knows almost everything about communism because her parents told her they instilled in her a love for liberty which is what we must all do for our children and grandchildren before we close i hope you'll share part or all of this surviving communism

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[00:57:48] other end of the country he or he was at the other end he was 18 years old and a university student when he wound up walking out of hungary across the austrian border three weeks after agnes fam agnes's family tried to go it was the same winter the same period one of them was carried out of the country and one of them ran be sure to check out his interview as well if this was worth your time hit like and subscribe

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