Fauci's Diaries: What a Frontline Doctor Says They Actually Prove | Dr. Kat Lindley

[00:00:00] Dr. Kat Lindley is a board-certified family physician in the state of Texas. She immigrated here after escaping communism when she was 18 years old, and she stands for medical and healthcare freedom every single day. I'm Jenny Beth Martin, and this is The Jenny Beth Show.

[00:00:30] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. Dr. Kat Lindley, thank you so much for joining me today. Thanks for having me. So, Kat, you're a board-certified family physician, correct? Yes, I practice in Texas. You practice in Texas, but you don't sound like a native Texan. I'm not. I figured out my y'all, but I'm definitely not a native. I was born in Croatia, which was former Yugoslavia at the time.

[00:00:59] And you, that means you lived under communism. I did. I lived under Josib Rostito. And then, you know, we had our own kind of civil war. And when that was starting, I left the country. Actually, one day before my hometown was attacked. And that's how my journey with all this started, really. And why do you say that's why your journey started? That's the moment where it began?

[00:01:27] I was a shelter child. I grew up in this beautiful city on the Dalmatian coast with a lot of historical split. We have the Ecclesian Palace. You know, my roots were very Mediterranean. And then I lived under communism. I don't think I really understood the extent of it until later on when I left.

[00:01:52] But one thing I remember from my childhood is we were Catholic, but we're really not supposed to talk about the religion, our faith. We were not supposed to talk about going to church and things like that. And it was always like this feeling that there are certain things you're not supposed to do.

[00:02:13] Then I remember even as a child, you know, when Yossi Rostito came to our town, everyone came out in our little uniforms, which is a blue skirt, white shirt and a red little bandana around our neck with a hat that had a red star on it. And that was like a huge privilege for him to come. And then he died in 1980 and Yugoslavia kind of unraveled. You had these different countries.

[00:02:43] You had, well, at the time they were republic and the provinces, but you had five republics fighting for power, who's going to retain power. And we went through lots of turmoil until we end up in a civil war at the end of the 80s, beginning of 90s. And I was an 18-year-old kid. My family, we had rumblings that something was going to happen for a while.

[00:03:07] And my family decided to send me to Italy to work as a nanny to, you know, kind of leave all this. And I remember being, my sister took me to a neighboring town. I had one suitcase in my hand. I went on a ferry to Italy, Ancona at the time, and got myself on a train to Venice and started my journey and really never looked back.

[00:03:37] Next day, my hometown was attacked. I was not able to speak to my family for months. And later on, you know, we had the Balkan War and Croatia got their independence. And I kind of, you know, started my new life, first in Italy, then in England. And eventually, I was really lucky to be able to come to the United States.

[00:04:04] I don't think I understood the gravity of the situation until I came to the States. And compare what it was like growing up versus what you saw in America. Well, you know, I came to the United States on a visitor visa and with this Italian family I worked for and eventually was able to change that to a student visa and start college here.

[00:04:35] And, you know, I started working as a nanny for two eye surgeons. And this was all in Florida, you know. I really got lucky. I ended up in a great state of Florida on the beach, like the best part of the United States. Started my journey in Palm Beach County. And I worked for these two physicians. And I was taking care of their kids, going to college. And one day, dad looks at me and he goes to me, Kat, why don't you go to medical school?

[00:05:05] And you have these stories of doctors who talk about, I wanted to be a doctor when I was a child and all that. I never even thought about it. Because in a communism, you don't really dream. You are born into a situation and you kind of stay in your track. You become whatever you're supposed to become. At the time I was studying chemistry, I probably wouldn't become a chemist or something like that.

[00:05:35] You know, have a family and all that. And now I'm in the United States and this doctor who I really admired and I became part of their family goes to me, why don't you go to medical school? And I was like, yeah, why don't I? So anyway, so I went to medical school and became a doctor. I was always a leader. I know type A personality. So I was president of different organizations.

[00:06:02] I was president of our medical society here in Texas. And then COVID happened. And I started noticing things that I've seen in communism, right? There was lots of confusion. From the medical standpoint, you have this novel virus, something that we've never seen before. You've seen a lot of propaganda on TV.

[00:06:31] And they start talking about lockdowns. They start talking about six feet apart. They start talking about masks. And they start telling you, if you do this, you can get that. And I started recognizing that that's what communism type societies do. They put boundaries on you. And they bargain with you until they realized they were not really complying, right?

[00:07:01] And that's when the vaccines came into play, the injections. And they said, well, if you don't get this injection, you're going to lose your job. And that's, for me, where I found this group of doctors, the AFLDS, the frontline doctors, and others that were speaking up on treatment. And I joined them, you know, with Dr. Ursa, Dr. Lynn Finn, Simone Gold, and all of them.

[00:07:28] And while they were talking about the medical aspect of this virus, I was speaking out on the political part of this virus. And that was the fact that the country as free as the United States, you know, this beacon of hope for the rest of us has told us, if you don't do this, you're going to lose your rights.

[00:07:49] And I really recognized the undertones of communism and all this between our own government and the World Health Organization, who was dictating what we can and cannot do. That is so very important. We are doing a constitution training right now on Fridays on our show. It's constitution and founding documents.

[00:08:13] And we are reminding people and explaining to people, and I've even had to do this in some media interviews about America 250, that our rights come from our creator. They come from God. And the government doesn't make up our rights. They're natural. We're born with them. And the government is supposed to exist to protect the rights.

[00:08:35] And so when you're just highlighting, which I talked about a lot as we're going through COVID, but you're highlighting it right now. If you don't do whatever the rules are, if you don't do these things, then you lose your rights. That is the antithesis of what our government is supposed to be. Exactly.

[00:08:59] And I think, you know, I'm really stuck on that a lot, even now, even, you know, past the emergency declaration and all this, the fact that they were able to tell American citizens, the freest citizens of the world, that if you don't do something, you're going to lose your job. And you had many people coerced into getting this injection. Some people didn't want it because they were like, it's new. I want to think about it. I want to see what happens.

[00:09:27] You had some that wanted it, which is great. You know, everyone has a choice, right? That individual choice. But the fact that they were able to get away with it, the question is, what else can they get away with again? Because, you know, we're going to have incidences, whether it's natural disasters or another health, you know, incident where we're going to have to think along the lines, what can we do for everyone to get better?

[00:09:57] Can this happen again? And I think that's why, you know, I know we're going to talk about Dr. Fauci and the rest of it later, but this is why the country really cannot move forward. In a sense, you have this political pressure to move forward because we don't want to talk about it. We don't want to talk about our mistakes, you know. But you really can't move forward because we don't know what's the end game. How is it going to play out next time?

[00:10:24] Well, and that's why it's so important that we continue to highlight what went wrong and what we should, the lessons that we learned from it. We have to be able to learn lessons from it. And somewhere along the way and watching Fauci's hearing and a lack of testimony, it's hard to do that because we all get very hard to do what I'm about to describe because we all get so emotional.

[00:10:50] We're so angry and we're just back where we were, where we're just fighting mad practically. But we have to find a way to continue to educate our fellow Americans and to get them to a point where if they agreed with everything that was going on, perhaps now they can look back and go, oh, well, I learned, we learned a few lessons and we didn't need to do it that way. We have to have enough grace to allow them to realize they made mistakes and learn from it.

[00:11:19] And I'm not necessarily saying that about Fauci, but I am talking about like the people who were coerced into getting the shot or the people who were yelling at others to wear a mask because they were so afraid because of the propaganda that they had heard. They thought they were doing the right thing.

[00:11:38] We've got to find a way to make sure that they're learning from this as much as we can help them to learn from it so that we never repeat those mistakes.

[00:11:50] Because what was most scary to me during COVID was the fact that America so quickly just shut everything down and had top down control and was acting like a communist country or a dictatorial country. And President Trump left it up to individual states to decide how they were going to handle the response to COVID.

[00:12:20] And we saw in many and all of the blue states, they were little dictators. They were complete dictators. And it's just that never should have happened in America. So I'm going to tell you how I knew they were lying. I knew very early on they were lying. And it had to do with masks in particular.

[00:12:46] As a physician, as someone in healthcare environment, every year you have to do testing for your mask. You go to a hospital, they make you put, it's like a clear helmet, plastic helmet over your head. You have a N95 mask or higher. And then they spray the helmet with different molecules. And one of them is saccharine. And if you can taste saccharine in your mouth, you know that the mask is not fitting you right.

[00:13:15] And that was before COVID. If you work in a hospital, you have to do it every year just to make sure the mask is fitting properly. I've always been a medium. I always complain. Why do I have to do it? I've been medium forever. I haven't changed. And, you know, so I used to complain about doing it. And then we had CDC say, okay, you need these masks. They ran out of those masks. They're like, okay, now you can just wear a surgical mask. They ran out of a surgical mask. And you had CDC at one point recommend bandanas.

[00:13:46] And that's when I knew, like, this is it. This is just a joke. They have no idea what they're doing. And we just have to figure out what to do on our own. Then you had, you know, doctors in our group and around the world. There were articles from the 80s, from the 90s, where the articles were saying that chloroquine works in SARS-CoV viruses. It works.

[00:14:14] So you had Dr. Vladimir Zelenko. I was confusing with Ukrainian. Dr. Zelensko, right? Yes, exactly. He was in New York. You had him start using hydroxychloroquine, adding azitromycin. You had people in France talking about hydroxychloroquine. We started using hydroxychloroquine with azitromycin and steroids as appropriate.

[00:14:44] Because this is another lie that I understood being a doctor. They told us to close our offices. And mine wasn't closed. I was also in urgent care. So I worked the whole time. But they said, close your offices. Tell your patients to stay at home until they can't breathe and then tell them to go to the hospital. So now you have hospitals overwhelmed with people who are not a little sick. They're really sick. And they're so sick that you're not getting some of them back.

[00:15:15] And they told us not to do anything. So I can tell you from my perspective and perspective of my colleagues. Let's say there is another new virus that we never heard of. You know what we're going to do? We might not know how to cure it. But we know how to deal with the symptoms. Because every illness presents a certain cluster of symptoms. Whether it's fever, shortness of breath, wet lungs, rash, cough. We can treat those symptoms while we're figuring out the cure.

[00:15:43] But they told us not to do anything. And that made no sense whatsoever. You don't tell your frontline to stand down. You don't. You tell your frontline to fight. And frontline is aware that they might lose their own life. But we're willing to do it because that's something we went to medicine for. So that was really another lie. And then, you know, when it came to the new injections, the vaccines, you really don't have to be a doctor to know that there's something wrong.

[00:16:12] And the reason there's something wrong, they invented something completely new. It has never been done. They've done a trial with certain mental people. And they're telling you, we think it's... No, they're not saying we think. They're saying it's safe. That was their biggest mistake that they made. That was the biggest mistake. What they should have said is, we think it's safe. We think it's going to help. We think this is the answer.

[00:16:42] And people would have said, okay, they're doing the best they can. And we're going to try it because we want to go back to work. We want to take care of our families. But they said it's safe with 100% certainty. There's a compilation of Dr. Fauci. You need to ask Dr. Linfin to give you her copy of it because she made it. Where he started, it's 100% safe and effective. Then he went to 95. Then he goes to like 85, 80, 79, 60, 50, whatever.

[00:17:12] He walked it back. That was their biggest mistake. And this is where I say the public doesn't need a medical degree to know something's wrong. Because if something is new, you don't have long-term studies. So you cannot claim safe and effective. And they should have said, we think it is. Yeah. And I think that even those who questioned them would have had at least grudging respect because they're admitting fallibility. Exactly.

[00:17:40] They were dealing with a brand new virus. They were dealing with a brand new medication to try to fight it. And they were doing the best that they could. And I think that if they had been more willing to say, we're doing the best we can, and we think this is the best thing that we can do, and this is what we recommend, rather than recommendations that turned into hardcore mandates that took away rights and coerced

[00:18:10] people into doing things that under normal circumstances, if you're putting medication into your body, if you're injecting it into your body, a doctor is going to ask you, what are your pre-existing conditions? Do you have any allergies? What were those allergies? What was the reaction that you had? They're going to find out about your medical history before they just go popping you with medication.

[00:18:37] It seemed to me that pharmacists and major pharmacy chains and elected officials turned into street corner drug pushers, and they didn't even know exactly what they were pushing, but they just were intent on pushing it because they were convinced that that was the only way to allow us to be free again, which is absurd. Yeah. And if you read Fauci's diaries, it explains why they didn't do it.

[00:19:04] It explains why they didn't say we think. It explains why they said it is. Because that's Dr. Fauci. I am the science. Right? He told that he's infallible. He knows everything. He's in charge. He is the master of everything. And this is why I think it's really important for the public to kind of go back and read his

[00:19:31] diary, his own words, to realize that we dealt with someone who was basking in his own glory, in his own power. He was happy to go on interviews. He was happy to call Barbara Streisand. He had an entry about Barbara Streisand. He was happy, you know, that he threw that pitch at the baseball game while the rest of the public was at home. You know, there is that famous picture of him, his wife, and a colleague, I don't remember

[00:19:59] the third person, sitting in the empty stands of the baseball field watching a game while the public were at home. I was on a school board at the time. And I had phone calls daily, daily phone calls with our superintendent asking me questions about the kids because CDC had these arbitrary rules that they kept on changing.

[00:20:27] If the child is positive for COVID, how many days they need to stay home? What about their siblings? Then the parents, can the parents go to work? So while we were trying to have some kind of normalcy with our children who had to first do Zoom school and then go back to school with masks, a young child, six, seven-year-old wearing a mask.

[00:20:53] And then some schools had those glass, like plastic glass dividers. The kids were not allowed to touch each other. They were not allowed to hug a teacher. While we were all dealing with that, you had Dr. Fauci at the baseball game. He actually had his mask down at the time because he was sitting down. Just so you know, if you sit down, the virus cannot touch you. But if you're standing, the virus, you know, he'll get a hold of you. We learned that in restaurants.

[00:21:22] Yeah, we did. Very important lesson for us to learn. Walking to the table, you could get the virus. But once you sat down and you were eating, you were perfectly safe. Exactly. So we're going to get to Fauci and delve into that more. Why don't we do that now? But then before we finish, I want to make sure we also talk about your involvement with the World Health Organization.

[00:21:50] With Fauci and the diaries, what were the things that surprised you the most? And also the things that didn't surprise you at all, but just confirm what you already suspected? So I think I wasn't necessarily surprised other than the fact that, you know, I don't think you need a medical degree to realize that you're dealing with someone who's probably a narcissist,

[00:22:15] who really thinks a lot of himself and who was very happy that he had the power to tell the world what to do. I think that's kind of probably the extent of it is their relation to a certain extent. But I find that the diary is so incriminating because you have an entry where he says that

[00:22:39] he recommended the mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio, to close down the schools based on things, their conversations and some public statements. And then you have an entry a little bit later on where he has had different interviews and he denied that he had anything to do with the lockdowns and closing down schools. So you have this kind of two-faced behavior from him.

[00:23:08] One of the entries talks about proximity origins of the virus. He had a meeting with 12 scientists. And out of 12 scientists questions, this furin cleavage insertion. In this SARS-CoV-2 virus sequence, it shouldn't have been there. And they discussed that one of the scientists from China, from the Wuhan lab, was known for gain-of-function research.

[00:23:37] Later on, Dr. Fauci went on interviews and called people who were talking about that, physicians like, you know, Dr. Simone Gold, Malone, Peter McCullough, and others who were talking. Even President Trump. Exactly. Even President Trump. He called him a conspiracy theorist. He had 10 out of his 12 colleagues say it.

[00:24:01] They all retracted it afterwards, by the way, and wrote a paper saying that it did not come from Wuhan. But it did. And Fauci funded the Wuhan lab earlier on, right? That's why his pattern goes back down to 2014. You have to go back all the way to him with Peter Dejac and others, Rob Baric, and their old involvement with this Wuhan virus. So he went after President Trump.

[00:24:30] In the meantime, you had a World Health Organization who, originally we were talking about the virus coming from the Wuhan, from China. China. And all of a sudden, you had Director Tedros backed it up and said China had nothing to do with it, right? And then you had the involvement of the World Health Organization into declaring the health

[00:24:55] emergency and starting to coordinate some of these responses that we're having around the world. And that's where I really got involved and started talking about this pandemic treaty. In the midst of the biggest pandemic, let's call it, around the world, you have the World Health Organization, a supranational agency that had nothing to do with our own government and our policies telling us what to do.

[00:25:23] And not only were they telling us what to do, they wanted to tell us what to do next time. And next time, they wrote in their pandemic treaty, if this happens again, the World Health Organization can decide not only what therapeutics we can use, vaccines, masks, tests, but they can also lock us down. They can limit the trade in the area because they will say that the area is too dangerous for the world to visit. And you had many organizations.

[00:25:50] You had Frank Gaffney, who many people know. You had even our own politicians, Senator Johnson supported us, Chip Roy, Mike Lee. They all supported legislation to get us out of the World Health Organization because they recognized that through this new pandemic treaty and different policies,

[00:26:18] the World Health Organization, try to really attack our sovereignty. And that was the bottom line. They were after sovereignty not only of our nations, but all their members. Well, yeah, because those people in America, we elect who is going to represent us. It just shatters the checks and balances in our government that are so carefully, have been so carefully constructed when you just say, oh, yeah, well, if an emergency happens and we're

[00:26:47] just going to give all authority to everything that happens in America to someone in the World Health Organization who may not even be from America, maybe it may be run at any point in the future by one of America's adversaries and and just say, oh, yeah, and we'll do everything you say without any elections and without any consequences. It's it was a horrible treaty. It was a horrible treaty and we fought against it.

[00:27:15] I was in Geneva and we did defeat it a couple of years ago, but it passed the other documents they had. And then luckily, you know, President Trump was elected and he listens to what he listened to what we had to say. And I believe it was actually on his first day. He wrote the executive order to withdraw us from WHO. And then in January of 26, that was official.

[00:27:43] And we are officially out of World Health Organization. Now, you know, there are critics out there who say, well, you're out now. You cannot influence or help with what's going on around the world. And we need a World Health Organization type instrument to help. We really don't because we have agreements with different countries. And if there is a pandemic, if there is some kind of emergency anywhere in the world, right? Ebola is happening in Africa right now.

[00:28:12] Our CDC and the HHS and Secretary Kennedy are capable of getting on the phone with those countries and giving them support and sending help. You don't need to funnel. And that was really what it was. It was like, we were giving most of the money to the World Health Organization. That's why they didn't want to let us go. I don't remember specific because I truly, I didn't forget.

[00:28:40] But my mind doesn't want to know anymore how much money we have given to the World Health Organization. And now we don't have to. If we want to help someone, we can still give them money and the money will go directly to them. It will not get funneled to this organization that can decide what to do with it. And the country that actually needs it might not even get it. So I think we're in a better position than we are before. And tell you the truth, they can talk all they want. They need us.

[00:29:10] They need our scientists. They need our doctors. They need our innovation. And they're always going to come back to the United States for help. And we're always going to be here to help the world. And that is exactly right. And we are there to help the world. But we shouldn't be paying a whole bunch of money into an unaccountable board of people who could come in and destroy our entire country. That's just, that's a definition of insanity. It's suicidal.

[00:29:37] So I'm thankful for you and Frank and the senators and congressmen, Chip Roy and others who stood against it. And we were involved in it as well at Tea Party Patriots Action. But we had much more of a supporting role. And you guys were taking the lead. And I'm so thankful that you did that. And it would be people like Dr. Fauci who would be in charge of the World Health Organization

[00:30:06] in years from now. And we see we don't need people like that in charge. We need people, I don't know, we need people who are caring doctors who actually see real patients, not doctors who are inside of government buildings. And the last time they saw a real patient was decades ago. Yeah, that's a really important point. I actually did a podcast with Dr. J. Bhattacharya before he became the director of NIH.

[00:30:36] And he's a public health guy, epidemiologist, wonderful person, physician. And he looks at things from the public health perspective. My challenge to him was a little bit different. And this is kind of what people need to understand. From public health perspective, you want to save a million people. Hopefully, you're not going to lose anyone along the way, right?

[00:31:03] But if you lose 5,000 people to save a million people, that's good mathematics, right? Statistics-wise is great. Well, public health used to be a discipline where doctors went into it to help these policies so that we can prevent things, help people. And it kind of morphed into you don't have to be a doctor to do public health. It became more of like statistics game. This is my opinion, by the way.

[00:31:32] So my challenge to Dr. Bhattacharya during this podcast was, from my perspective, that's not how it should be. Because every person counts. You know, every person that's part of my practice is a person that has a life, a family, a job, future, hopes, dreams. Losing that one person is as big of a deal to me as losing 5,000 people. Because that person has a name and a face.

[00:32:01] And public health has forgotten that. That every life counts. We're not going to bargain and say, well, we can lose 5,000 people, but we're going to save a million. I'm like, no, no, no, we're not going to lose anyone. And I know that's kind of too idealistic. But the problem with public health is exactly that. They haven't practiced medicine. The person that has COVID or heart disease or a stroke doesn't have a name to them.

[00:32:30] But to me, they do. So I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that nothing happens to them. That's right. And that's why when I started connecting with doctors, it was one of the things that I noticed the most is that these were the doctors who were talking to the patients, were seeing the patients. I remember we interviewed one doctor. It was Dr. Lionel Lee. And he was an ER doctor.

[00:32:58] And apparently, normally, when somebody comes in from the ER, at least before 2020, and doctors are performing the life-saving actions to try to save somebody's life, and the person still dies, but the doctors are doing all they can to save it. But they actually do want the family to see that they're doing everything they can to help save the life.

[00:33:26] And I don't know everything about it because I thought prior to 2020, my thinking was that the families were rushed, pushed out of the room. And they might be pushed out of the room, but they're still apparently they want them to be involved. That's what I learned from him. And then after all the lockdown started happening, you couldn't have—he said the family wasn't there. So then they're having to go and explain everything that they tried to do to save the life for the family.

[00:33:54] And it made it much more difficult for the family to accept what was going on because they weren't seeing that everything truly was being done to help try to save their loved ones' lives. And then you had other doctors who were upset because there's nobody in the hospital because you weren't allowed to have any visitors with you in the hospital. There was no one there to advocate for the patient.

[00:34:19] And I've been at the hospital before taking care of family members. And if the patient is asleep, the doctor may come in, kind of look through the charts, look at their vitals when they're on the rounds, and you may not even get to speak to them very long or at all. And if you've got an advocate in there, if you've got someone from your family in there, they can help make sure that if you just woke up and you're seeing the doctor and you're in the hospital bed,

[00:34:46] you may not remember everything, but your family member can go, oh, here are the questions that we have for you today. Help answer those. And they just—they had none. There was none of that. And then the doctors who were told, yeah, just let people be sick. Tell them to—as long as they're sick, go home. If you feel like you're going to die, go to the hospital. It just was craziness. And that's not the way normal doctors treat patients.

[00:35:13] And don't forget when they told family members that they cannot be with their loved ones when they were dying. You know, yesterday and day before our next, people tagged some of my posts, and they shared their own stories where one guy had to say goodbye to his dad on Zoom. He was watching his dad die on Zoom, and his dad had no one to touch in those last minutes.

[00:35:43] You know, our elderly in the nursing homes, people, when they couldn't celebrate their birthdays, they were outside the window celebrating because there were not allowed to go in. And this is why Dr. Fauci pleading the fifth yesterday was very difficult. It wasn't necessarily, like, for everything that we went through, you know. And I have to be honest, that year and a half, 2020, 2021, and even 22,

[00:36:13] it was really difficult emotionally because, for myself, I had patients who were really sick, and I was treating them, and I would go to bed, and I would think about, you know, certain patients, and I'm like, I'm not sure they're going to make it through the night. And, you know, I know a lot of doctors and nurses, we get a lot of flack for everything that happened,

[00:36:39] but you cannot understand the heavy emotional burden that sometimes we carry. But what bothered me yesterday with the fifth, it wasn't even that because, you know, I'm kind of, like, over it. You know, it's something that you kind of sign up for. You just deal with it. But even these innocent families that couldn't say goodbye to their loved ones in the most vulnerable moments,

[00:37:05] and you have Dr. Fauci there with his lawyers saying that line over and over and over again, it makes me really upset. And we, you know, as much as we're trying to forget, I don't think we will heal until we see some of these people, and maybe it's not Fauci, but maybe it is Dr. Birx and Walensky, and even, you know, Robert Redfield.

[00:37:31] He was CDC director when this happened, and it's wonderful to hear him now talk and reverse his story. And that's, you know, as Christians, we should honor that. And I do. But even he has to kind of answer for some of those early decisions and not having the backbone to stick up for everyone. Yeah, you're exactly right. They need to answer for it. What Senator Rand Paul said at the end of the hearing was very important.

[00:38:01] He said, you had a pardon. If you had just, you're not going, all you had to do was be truthful. Just come in here and be truthful. And say you're sorry. Say, I didn't know any better at the time, and I was doing the best that I could, and here's what I was thinking, and here's why. And I think that that's sort of what a lot of people want. No, there are others who want a lot more. They want him in jail.

[00:38:30] They want everyone in jail. Because some of the awful, egregious things that happen to people, they just want someone to be held accountable. And I completely understand that, and it's wrong that there's no one to hold them accountable at all. And also, you have this blank check, this pardon, and it would be good for the sake of history to be able to say, okay, and here's what we learned, and here's where we could have done better. And yet we're not going to get that.

[00:39:00] We're not going to get that. We're going to have to reconstruct it without his help. And he would come back and say, well, I was exercising my constitutional right, and he had the right to. I don't disagree with that. And President Biden had the right to give him a pardon. I understand that those things are true. And I also understand he is concerned about state prosecution, so he did feel the need to protect himself.

[00:39:28] It's just frustrating because we're not going to get the kind of accountability that we need and we deserve. The biggest issue with not getting it is that these mistakes can be repeated, and we do have to examine the role of government in all this. The fact that they declared an emergency, the fact that we had the prior,

[00:39:57] that we had the emergency authorization for use of experimental drugs and modalities that we've never done before, the fact that we denied early treatment to people because we wanted to use these experimental drugs that now are going to be with us forever. There was a huge government overreach, and that needs to be addressed. It does. It absolutely does need to be addressed.

[00:40:26] You know how you mentioned the way that you knew that it was all just a complete and total lie and a sham? I was talking to doctors from very early on, and I knew a lot of it did not add up. And then in July of 2020, I visited the White House, I think, three different times. And twice it was seeing people who were not the president. And I was able to go into the White House

[00:40:55] without having any sort of COVID test at all and be inside the White House, even though I was around people who were later going to see would come in contact with the president, presumably. So they didn't care about any sort of testing with that. And then I did do, was at an event where I spoke at a round table about reopening schools. I sat two seats down from Dr. Birx.

[00:41:23] I think she had on two cloth masks that day in her scarf, but maybe she just had on one. Anyway, she had on a mask, whatever. I don't remember exactly which kind. And the president was there and the vice president, which would be Vice President Pence, and the first lady and Mrs. Pence were all in this big round table. So my children were with me, and we all three had to go get COVID testing before we could go in the White House that day.

[00:41:52] So I was thinking, oh, this is different than the previous time I'd been in here. So I go, and then I said, they do the test in a different building. And when I finished, I said, oh, they got my phone number. And I said, okay, so where do I sit and wait before I go into the White House? Because I figured that I wouldn't even be allowed to set foot in there until they had the results of the test mat. And they said, oh, you can just go ahead and go in,

[00:42:21] and if there's a problem, we'll call you. Yeah. And I was thinking, this doesn't make any sense. Like, if you actually think what is going on with the test is a problem, you wouldn't dare let me step foot in the building that the president, the leader of the free world is living in. And I left there, and I just thought these people who are running this, and I didn't think it about the president, but I thought the people underneath him who were running all this craziness,

[00:42:51] they knew, they knew it wasn't real. They got up and they said, well, we'd like it if you wear a mask, but you don't really have to. And we all know you don't really need one. We've all had the test. So it's, they did it for show, for the media. They knew they didn't need one on because no one in the room had COVID because we'd all been tested. It just, it was, it was so wrong. It just was so wrong.

[00:43:18] And those were the people who were not giving the president all of the information he needed so that he can make the best decisions. And they were the ones who were mocking the president when he was saying things like, it's from Wuhan, or we need to open the country by Easter, or we need to open schools. They were the ones who were openly mocking him and doing so in their private diaries. And yet they, they knew, they knew. They just wanted to harm President Trump.

[00:43:49] Yeah, a hundred percent. And do you know the story behind the six feet apart? So a friend of mine was part of this task force. He was in meetings with all of them. And, and this has been reported before. Or they thought that 10 feet apart was too much. Eight feet apart was too much as well. But four feet wasn't enough. So they came up with six feet apart. That's how they knew that this virus is not going to jump

[00:44:19] because if you're six feet apart, you know, it's not going to happen. So that's how, that's how they make some of these rules. And like you said, it was all for the show. I don't know if you remember, I forget. I think it was one of the G summits or maybe NATO summits or something, but it was all these leaders from around the world. They all had a mask on when the camera was on. As soon as the camera, you know, wasn't there, but the camera actually was still there. They took the masks off.

[00:44:47] It was all like a big stage, a big play. And this, you know, someone like me, I understood that, right? The reason we had six feet apart is this keep us away from each other so we can talk. That's why they locked us down. Because if we could gather at schools, meetings, libraries, churches and talk about this, we would have said they're all crazy and they're playing us. But they didn't let us do that. And then they did that bargaining thing where,

[00:45:16] well, if you wear a mask, you can go to the store. And that didn't really work well. So then they went, if you get the vaccine, you can go to work. But then if you don't get it, you're going to lose your job. And that's when you have to realize that this was a play. It's just absolutely awful. It's just horrible. So, Jennifer, before we go, that scares me. That fact that I'm still scared by that.

[00:45:43] And this is where I say this was an attack on America. Yes. On our constitution, on our way of life. And this is why we cannot forget that. And we need to get government out of some of these things. Well, we absolutely do. And you're right. It was an attack on America. It was an attack on our values. The American people, through an experiment with the whole entire world,

[00:46:11] proved we are willing to be completely compliant. And many Americans are willing to just cede their rights and not stand up for them. Not all, thankfully, but some. And we know now that the people who were in public health, who were supposed to be public servants, were weaponizing their positions for political power, trying to cause President Trump not to be reelected.

[00:46:38] And it's, it was an attack on, and that made it an attack on the president and everyone who supported him. It just is, it's why we have to make sure this never happens again. Kat, what do you think is the most important thing, as you look back now on six and a half years, and we've seen Fauci's diaries, and we've seen his testimony,

[00:47:06] and the questions that were asked of him that he didn't answer, but importantly, the content of those questions that we still need answers to. What do you think are the most important lessons that you've learned that you want other people to remember? I think the most important thing that I've learned is that we need to look kind of within ourselves, within our communities, and we need to make sure that we question things.

[00:47:34] We do have to be a little bit careful with everything questioned because there are some crazy conspiracies out there right now. You know, this was an attack on a republic. You know, this was an attack on everything that the United States stands for, and it must be defended. And I really say this with a lot of gravity. You know, I come from a communist country. People like me, you know,

[00:48:01] and the communism in Yugoslavia wasn't as bad as some other places, right? But people like me look at the United States as this beacon of hope. This is the place where you can have the American dream, where you can come from nothing and become something. That doesn't happen anywhere else. The fact that we just comply so easily should be an alarm to all of us. And, you know, we have different legislature that's happening right now,

[00:48:30] and President Trump has a new agenda. We're fighting for the Save America Act. The fact, you know, I know we're not here to talk about that, but the fact that we have to discuss having an ID to vote, just so everyone knows it, like in other countries, if you are illegal, you have no rights. You definitely don't have a right to vote. You have no say in what that country does. But somehow in the United States we do. It's crazy. You know, in Australia, they still do paper ballots,

[00:48:58] and no one goes to work on the day that they're supposed to vote because they honor that vote. That vote is sacred to them. But here in the United States it's not. And you have Senator Toon going, talking about taking a summer break, and we can't get them to vote on the fact that we want everyone to be an American citizen when they come to the ballot. You know, we have so much to do.

[00:49:26] And what I've learned from looking at the pandemic is that this country is worth fighting for. You know, our values are worth fighting for because there's no one in the world that does what the United States does. And yeah, we have our problems, and we don't agree on everything. But we are still so much further along than many other places, and this place is worth standing up for. Dr. Kat Lindley, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you.

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