America's 250th: The Man Putting the Declaration Back in Every Classroom | Mark Hill

[00:00:00] So Mark, let's just start at the very beginning. You are on a mission to help make sure that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, you're working to get it in every school in America if you can possibly do that. I believe it's very important to have something on the wall showing this was the finished piece.

[00:00:33] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. Mark Hill, thank you so much for being on the show with me today. Mark Hill, It's great to be here. Thank you very much for having us. I think we have something that your viewership is really going to appreciate. Dr. Amy Moore, Terrific. So Mark, we're going to talk about the prints that you have and your website, but let's just start at the very beginning.

[00:00:56] And first, let's explain that you are on a mission to help make sure that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, you're working to get it in every school in America, if you can possibly do that. And you're following in the tradition of Theodore Ullman. Well, let's start with who was Theodore Oman and why are you following in his tradition? And then you can talk about how you took...

[00:01:23] First, talk about who he is, and then let's talk about why you're following in his tradition and how that came to be. Great. It's a fantastic story. Theodore Ullman was a Bohemian immigrant, came to this country in 1912. He was 20 years old. And two things happened while he was growing up in Bohemia that are very important to this story. The first thing, he was taught about the Declaration of Independence, which was a little bit odd because the Austro-Hungarian Empire were still in control.

[00:01:52] They did not want democratic ideals to be talked about. But Theodore Ullman had a schoolteacher that taught her class about the Declaration. And Theodore Ullman, he thought it was the greatest document ever written. So that's the first thing. The second thing is he did learn the art of lithography from his grandfather. And he became an expert in that art, as you're going to see here in a few minutes.

[00:02:19] So he comes over in 1912. He's a civil engineer and a mapmaker by trade. And he eventually makes his way up to Washington, D.C. to see the original declaration. And when he gets there, he was shocked at the condition it's in. It is in terrible condition. Very faded, torn around the edges. You can barely read some of the names of the signers.

[00:02:46] So he goes back home to Memphis, and this would have been probably in the 1930s. Goes home to Memphis, and he says, I'm going to use my skills as a lithographer to create a lithograph of the Declaration as to how it looked when it was signed. He referred to it as Ullman's authentic restoration of the Declaration of Independence. And how he did that was really amazing. He got very lucky.

[00:03:15] He found and purchased a stone print. So William Stone made 200 copies of the original in 1823. There's only 40 or 50 known in existence. And he found one. And he used that to perfect the script of his work. And then he thought, how am I going to get the background correct? Because it was written on a piece of animal skin. The cracks and crevices are unique to the animal.

[00:03:43] And so he did some research, found out there was a man named L.C. Handy who took pictures of the original outside his case in 1903. And he went to his widow and he bought a set of negatives. And that's how he got the background correct. And he spent years doing it. I've talked to some of his family members. I've talked to the oldest granddaughter. And she said she remembers going to the shop, which was in Memphis.

[00:04:13] And, you know, seeing him with an eyepiece looking over and making sure every single letter was in the exact position it needed to be. With reference to the background. And it took him many years to do it. He spared no expense. When he was done with the stone prints, he actually donated it to the Library of Congress.

[00:04:42] Which is amazing because David Rubenstein, about six or seven years ago, they found one in the wall of a home in Texas. And he paid seven figures for it. He didn't say it was a million dollars or nine million, but they found a stone print and he paid that much. So that was his intention. He wanted to give that back, you know, to the people of the country. And he did. So he ended up printing that piece in 1942.

[00:05:10] A few years later, he started working on a U.S. Constitution lithograph of the Constitution. He's the only person that did this. He took all four pages of the Constitution. Added the Bill of Rights at the bottom. And then he sized it to be the same as the Declaration of Independence. Of course, his declaration was the same size as the original. So when you hang them side by side, you see them behind me.

[00:05:38] You know, they look symmetrical and they're just beautiful when you hang them side by side. And he worked on that for probably four or five years. And when he was done in 1953, he printed the Constitution. He embarked on a mission to get a set in every school in the nation. And how he did that is an amazing story. He would drive into a town. He would look for the biggest bank in the town.

[00:06:07] And he would pitch a set to the bank president or whoever was the owner of the bank. And he would insist. He would tell the bank he would not sell another set to any other bank in town. But he would insist they buy a set for every school in the local school district. And so that's how he did it. He funded that for, he did that for 25 years. You know?

[00:06:31] And do you know how many schools, how many schools did he, was he able to get them in? Well, I don't know exactly. It was a long time ago. I do know that the largest sale he ever made to a bank was, there was a bank in Harris County, Texas, in Houston, actually, that bought a set for every school in Harris County, which is a large county.

[00:06:58] And I know that because when I first bought this collection from the gentleman who bought it from his estate sale, I actually got a call from that person and he connected me with a bank in Houston that needed like 20 more sets or 30 more sets. So we sold him. That was back in 95 or 96, probably. I do want to. Wow. Okay, so. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

[00:07:26] Okay, I just want to let you know, another interesting part of this story is how I ended up with it. And so there was a gentleman in my hometown, his name was Bill Utley, and he was a businessman. And he was in the Genoa State Bank. We only had one bank in town at that time. And in walked Theodore Oman and made a pitch to the bank president, who was Mr. Hoover at the time.

[00:07:54] And Bill Utley overheard the conversation. He wanted to learn more, so he invited Oman to lunch and they became friends. So when Theodore Oman passed in 1982, Bill went down to Memphis and he bought his entire collection from his estate sale. So he hauled it up to my hometown, the town that Bill had his business in.

[00:08:21] And my brother and I had just started a business and we needed a little bit more space. We rented the lower level of Bill's building. And in that lower level, there was an area that was unusable. The ceilings were only about five foot high, maybe five and a half, six foot, but it was unusable space. But in that space, he had crates and crates and pallets of this stuff.

[00:08:44] And that's what was holding all these beautiful artifacts and the remaining prints that Theodore Oman had of his lithographs. And so Bill's health started failing. He sold his business and he asked my brother and I if we wanted to buy the building, which we did. And we wanted to buy the Oman collection under a separate contract. And we did. Bill didn't want to drag it down to Memphis. I mean, down to Texas where he was moving.

[00:09:13] So that's how we ended up holding. That is pretty remarkable. And when so when we think about this, he. Theodore in 19. Well, in 1923, not 1912, he came here in 1912. But in 1923, he started this mission. And in 1953. And because 53. Yeah, he printed.

[00:09:41] He worked for about four or five years on each one of these projects. He printed his declaration in 1942. He printed his constitution in 1953. And then once the constitution declaration were both done, he embarked on the mission to get a set in every school. Because he was taught about it as a schoolboy. Yeah, that is amazing. It took so much work.

[00:10:07] And people can go and look at the website bigparty250.com. Big party 250.com. And we'll explain that name in a minute to see these. But I'm looking at them. And we'll be able to have them on the screen as well. It looks like every single wrinkle and crevice of the animal skin that it was printed on. It's all in there. It's just amazing. It's amazing.

[00:10:35] And we can do that now with technology and our phones and AI and all sorts of computer programs. But back in the 1920s and 30s and 40s and 50s, it was so much more difficult to do this. And to be able to track down and find the stone print, like when we say, oh, yeah, you tracked it down. Today, you can just type something in on the Internet and pretty much find anything you're looking for in minutes.

[00:11:03] But for him to have done this so many years ago, it had to take so much time and effort. He really had a mission, a calling to make sure that he was preserving these very important founding documents. He absolutely did. And on that website, there's a button you can click called The Oman Story.

[00:11:25] That is a scan of the original little four-page piece he made to tell his story in his own words under a pen name. So his name was Theodore Omen. The pen name he used was Walter O'Mahan. But that story is written in his own words about why and how he created, again, what he referred to as Oman's authentic restoration of the Declaration of Independence. It's a beautiful story.

[00:11:51] And the last paragraph, you know, something like it almost brings a tear to my eye, that last paragraph. I love it. And as we're celebrating America's 250th anniversary, it just seems so appropriate to make sure people understand they can help carry on his mission, which is exactly what you were doing. So you purchased the collection. And what have you been doing with it since you purchased it? That's a great question.

[00:12:20] So we purchased it in 1995. And then we thought, well, you know, the 220th anniversary of the Declaration was coming up. So we were kind of looking for somebody to partner with to sell the last of his original declarations that he printed in 1942. We had 1,200 of them. And I remember my brother tossing the pieces of scrap paper with a phone number written on. He says, you know what?

[00:12:48] You should call these people because the name of their publication is how the declaration starts. So the name of the publication was Human Events, which is still an online publication. But at the time, Thomas Winter owned it. And I believe he's one of the founding members of the ACU. And so we called him. We thought, oh, this would be a pretty cool project.

[00:13:17] So they did a beautiful four-page tabloid style marketing piece, included it with every publication they sent out. I believe it was a monthly publication. And they sold all 1,200 of them in about six months. And what they sold them for, it was impressive. I didn't know if they'd sell them.

[00:13:41] But they sold them for $295 unframed and $596, I believe, framed. And it only took them, I think, six months, six, seven months. And they didn't have a big readership. I remember talking to the guy, Doug, the guy I worked with on the project. And I want to say they had a readership of like 30,000 people. You know, it wasn't huge. But it got a great reaction.

[00:14:10] So there's only, I only have about a dozen of his original declarations left. I have several thousand of his constitutions. So in order to sell them as a set, as you see on the website, I had to do a reprint. So I reprinted them. The gentleman who prints them is actually a disabled Vietnam vet. And I will go nowhere else but him to print them. They're printing out about a $3 million press.

[00:14:38] And he was so good to us in the very beginning, you know, working with us. And they're beautiful. And then I added a smaller set. So the reason it's a four-pack is because these are pretty large prints. They're about 27 1⁄2. They're like 28 by 34. And they can be expensive to frame. So I added a smaller set.

[00:15:05] So the small set fits in a standard 22 by 28-inch frame. And you can buy them for, you know, $25, $30 a piece at Michaels or Hobby Lobby all they want. And wait for a sale. So that is, that's why I added. Plus, Oman did, he did make a smaller version of the Declaration. And he printed that in 1955. But I had very few of those left. I don't know why he printed them, but he did. They're part of his collection. That is pretty amazing.

[00:15:35] And so now, today, so you got it. You were able to sell the remaining original copies of the Oman, of Oman's copies of the Declaration and the Constitution. But before we go into what you're doing today, did I hear you, am I correct in this, or maybe I'm wrong, that the National Archives wound up finding out about this and didn't know about it originally?

[00:16:04] Or are they aware of these? And how long have they been aware? So, actually, as you'll see on that piece that Theodore Oman wrote, there are quotes from the Library of Congress, the National Archives, and there's one other organization. And they did know about them.

[00:16:24] So, I did some research because I wanted to see if he indeed did donate his stone print to the Library of Congress, basically because I wanted to know if it was in these crates somewhere. And I want to say in 1939, they did receive a stone print.

[00:16:52] And I asked them where they received it from, and unbelievably, they did not know. They did not know where it came. But the timing would be about right if he would have been done with what he needed, and he did want to donate it back to the Library of Congress. But the National Archives story is a little bit different.

[00:17:18] And there's a lot of interesting stuff. And there's a, as you're going to see here momentarily, one of the glass plates is what the original declaration looks like today. and Oman created that from the set of negatives he bought from L.C. Handy's widow

[00:17:42] and took that to the National Archives and their heads exploded. They had no idea how it existed. It's just beautiful replica of the declaration as to how it looks today. And, you know, we told them how it existed and they just had never seen anything like it. It's kind of crazy that the Library of Congress didn't know where it came from and the archives.

[00:18:07] This major project is going on and the archives weren't even aware of the things that existed to help preserve the documents. You kind of would think that our National Archives would have been working to find a way to preserve the documents as well. But I guess they just never. That's why we love freedom and free enterprise in America, because we see a problem and we go solve it and fix it. And that's exactly what he did.

[00:18:35] He did. He did. Well, what we're really just kind of confuses me is he gave it to the Library of Congress. Right. I mean, their their job is to catalog stuff. Yeah. And I called him. I spoke to the person. I finally got a hold of the right person and he couldn't tell me where where they got the stolen print from in 1939. I'm listen, maybe it isn't. Maybe it is not from Theodore Oman, but the timing is certainly right. The timing is perfect.

[00:19:03] So I do believe he donated it back to the American people, the stolen print that he had. Oh, yeah. And you're right. I'm looking at the document now that this work is done. It is the intention of Theodore Oman, W. Oman to present his parchment copy to the Library of Congress. So they. Yeah. Is it I guess that that just tells us that the government always has been the government and they're not always the best at doing what they're supposed to do.

[00:19:33] So what do you you what are you doing with with them now today in 2026? I, you know, made that website to get ready for the 250th anniversary and sold a few. I do intend on putting another website up, a different website to really start. Now that the the the big birthday party is over, you know, it's not like.

[00:20:02] Everything is done. We still have a lot of work to do, so I haven't really gone too hard, really started. Even I'm looking for a partner, someone who can help help me create awareness of what I want to do. There's there are some good organizations out there that that teach civics classes and help teachers teach teach civics classes. I actually just watched to prepare for this interview. I watched Bill Norton. You just had Bill Norton. What an interest. Yes.

[00:20:30] I love to listen to people like that. We have unbelievable wants of knowledge and understanding of history. The founding fathers who are founding fathers relied on for their wisdom. I really enjoyed watching those clips that you had up at on your YouTube channel of him. And he I think he's actually involved in an organization is like called NCCS or National.

[00:20:59] Yes. So I think that Bill is associated with the National Center for Constitution Studies. And also he's involved with another project called Liberty Village in Independence, Utah. And in that market, this look, I can't I can't tell you where you can partner. So we'll have to check and make connections and see where those connections go after the podcast.

[00:21:25] And I certainly don't want to make promises on behalf of other organizations. Liberty Village is creating a whole kind of a tourist site in Independence, Utah. And they are building to scale the Independence Hall and other founding like this buildings from our nation's founding.

[00:21:51] And that way, people on the West Coast can go to a place on the West Coast and learn about American history in an interactive way that the people on the East Coast are able to do when they go visit Philadelphia or Williamsburg. So it's a little bit different place, but it seems like Bill Norton would definitely be we we can connect you with him and then see where that connection goes.

[00:22:14] But he sure does know a lot of people who would be very interested in in this and and going through and working to get these to carry on this mission and to make sure that our founding documents are in schools across the country. It's a very important mission, especially as we see the rise of big government, Democrat, socialists right right now in America.

[00:22:42] They they they don't understand our Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. They haven't read it and they sure don't understand it. So we need to make sure we're putting these documents back in place in in schools around the country. I agree 100 percent. Yeah, our founders knew about human nature. That's why they put the checks and balances into the U.S. Constitution the way they did. They knew about it. And and you said about socialism.

[00:23:12] The reason socialism never works, it sounds like a great idea on paper. Oh, wouldn't it be great if everybody had everything they needed, blah, blah, blah. But you know what? It doesn't work because of human nature. The the the greedy, powerful, power hungry people will always rise to the top. They will always control it and it will always end in tyranny. Always. And that's what happens. So you're right. The younger generation doesn't.

[00:23:39] I don't believe they really understand that they're being brainwashed in this socialism thing. And to me, it's the scariest. That's the only thing that worries me. I have so much faith in this country that we will always in the end do the right thing and come through it. But that is that's my biggest fear right now is just this this drift toward not just the left.

[00:24:08] It used to be the pendulum swung left and right, you know, and it would center itself and then drift this way and that way. But now the drift is so far, you know, and quite honestly, it's going so far like both ways that it's it's it's spending way less time in the middle. And it's just going boom, boom. So I'm glad you mentioned that. I just think that and that's why I believe it's very important. And there's there are a ton of organizations that give out the pocket constitution, which I love.

[00:24:37] And the pocket declaration. But to have something on the wall showing this is what it looks this was our this was the finished piece. After, you know, after all that debate and everything and after all the time Jefferson spent writing and editing and rewriting the declaration. And then from, you know, in 1787, when they, you know, for the five months they worked on the constitution, you know, these are the finished pieces.

[00:25:07] And it's something that had never been done before. Ever. So great country. It really is a great country. And it had not been done before. And you're absolutely right. They they worked in human nature into the documents to create those checks and balances to help prevent tyranny. Yeah. So can you give us a look at the at what we're talking about? Absolutely.

[00:25:35] So the first piece that I'm going to show you, this is a it's a glass positive plate of the declaration. And as you'll see, it's actually broken on the bottom. It's cracked and it's taped up. But Bill Utley, who I purchased this collection from, told me that Theodore Oman did that on purpose. So no one could replicate his work. And I've actually heard that of that happening. And, you know, with artists where they do something like that. I don't know.

[00:26:05] I kind of believe it because the tape that is on this piece is very, very old. And so I kind of I kind of believe that Bill was telling the truth and Oman told him the truth. The second piece I'm going to show is a glass negative of the declaration. I think this is one of the most beautiful pieces of the entire collection. It's just absolutely stunning. And you can see the detail and how perfect it is.

[00:26:31] And the third piece is interesting because it shows you how Oman perfected everything and made sure there wasn't any blemishes anywhere. This is the the backside of the glass negative. And everywhere you see the gray spots, that's a process called silvering where they would touch it, touch it up on the backside. So the front was perfect. So and you can see it. It took him I don't know how long it would have taken him to even do that because it's a painstaking process.

[00:26:58] And I just go back to talking with his granddaughter about how she would see him with the eyepiece, you know, just doing everything so very carefully in his shop. Back in the 30s and early 40s. The fourth piece is what I had mentioned before. This is the what the National Archives called an emulsion negative. It was made from the set of negatives Oman bought from L.C. Handy's widow. And this is what the original looks like today.

[00:27:26] And this is what the National Archives didn't understand how it existed. But as you can see, most of the names are a lot of the names you can't barely read. But it's in it's in really bad, bad condition. Now, these are all one of a kind items, you know, that were that took years to create. Like the the next two pieces are a negative and a positive of page one of the U.S. Constitution. So it took him would have taken him for four sets of these.

[00:27:56] There's four pages. And just wanted to show you that. And he like started that. I know in 19. Well, at least 1949, because I'm showing you a box. The next piece I'm going to show you is actually a box where some of these some of these negatives were stored. And the date on them. The date on the box is for twenty nine forty nine.

[00:28:19] So these are these held negatives of the U.S. Constitution that he was working on that he printed in 1953. So I know for a fact he has at least four years of his life wrapped up making his second masterpiece was the which was the U.S. Constitution. Here are just a couple of boxes. Crates, I just like to show them because they have dates on them. And the wooden crate here, which is a little bit beat up.

[00:28:45] That's really there were many, many, many of these smaller crates and some very large crates in the that held everything. And we still have all that stuff. The next piece I'm going to walk over and I'm going to show you the actual printing plates that he used. It was a lithographic process. These two plates show the plates for the script of the declaration and then the script of his U.S. Constitution. It took four plates.

[00:29:11] It took a plate for the script, a plate for the background and two plates, one each for different colors. So this would have been these plates would have been wrapped around a drum and then the drums would have been put in order. And I believe he fed each page single handedly through it because on each print there's a registration mark that I imagine he made. So he would feed them. Each one would get fed perfectly through the press.

[00:29:39] So I believe that he did this one at a time. And he printed about 30,000 of them. Each printing was about 30,000. It's just really remarkable, remarkable stuff. The fact that not only did it take him years to create everything that he had to create to print them, but it probably took a long time to print 30,000 of them. It just it really is amazing.

[00:30:09] I'm also going to I'm going to come back, walk around now, and I'm going to show you the originals. OK, the finished product. So the first piece is decoration. This is the Constitution and or the Declaration of the Constitution. These are the original pieces. So this was printed 1942. This was printed 1953. They're just absolutely stunning.

[00:30:31] I mean, when you get up close and see the workmanship in this, they're just and here's you can see maybe the registration mark there at the top of the upside down T. That's what I meant by the registration marks. I'm going to walk around now and I'm going to show you what we offer on the site. Well, going back, we do have I got a few thousand of his original constitutions left for it in 1953. But in order to sell him his sets, like I said, I only have a dozen of his decorations left. I had to make a reprint.

[00:31:00] And then in the reprint, you get four prints, a set of his reprints of his original works, which are sized identical to his original works. And then a small set, which you see here. And I threw those in because they're easier to frame. Now, this piece is so this piece took eight years to do. We took a U.S. an original Omen constitution and started going around to conservative conferences and, you know, events and getting people to sign them.

[00:31:30] But just some real interesting parts about it. J.J. actually got to know Charlie Kirk real well. He was instrumental in getting President Trump's signature on it. And it took him about five or six tries. So, as you're well aware, President Trump would speak at a lot of Trading Point USA events, especially if they were down in Florida near Mar-a-Lago. And he would, Charlie would have this laid out on a table in the back.

[00:31:59] And he would ask the Secret Service agents to have President Trump sign it. And he said they were always in such a big hurry to get him, you know, to get him out of there. But like the fifth or sixth try, he finally stopped and he signed it.

[00:32:17] And if you go in where you go to pics and videos on a website, if you go to pics and click on pics of people who signed the signature piece, President Trump is number 171. So if you scroll down to number 171, you'll see him signing it. And he gave us the pen, gave J.J. the pen, or Charlie did. And J.J. later on lost the pen. And this is kind of funny. J.J., who did you lose it to?

[00:32:48] Donald J.Fong. No, you lost it to RFK Jr., didn't you? What was he saying? He sang the RFK Jr. hat. Oh. So Donald Trump later on signed an RFK Jr. hat that J.J. had, and he inadvertently kept the pen that he gave to J.J. a couple years earlier when he signed the document. Yeah. So President Trump owes his pen.

[00:33:15] But so these are actually on the website, you know, for sale. I will actually give you, Jenny, I already did it earlier today. I put a promo code in for you. The promo code is Jenny. J-E-N-N-Y. So you can let your people know they'll get a 60% discount on anything they want to buy on that. And so those are the three pieces. This one last thing I want to show you. These are prints.

[00:33:43] I haven't had any done, you know, in any quantity. But this is a print right here of what the original looks like. It was taken off of the emulsion negative that we have. We took that into Chicago and he had a high-res scan done of that glass plate. And, I mean, you go down to the bottom and you can just see. It's just you can barely read some of the names on there. And then this is a copy of the glass negative plate that we had a high-res scan of, too. But I just love this piece here. But these aren't for sale.

[00:34:12] I just wanted to show them to you. And that's, yeah, I guess that's about it. It's just an amazing story. It really is quite a remarkable story. And I hope that people will go and buy a copy of the prints and then also buy one for yourself and buy one for one of your local schools. Because it just, we need these documents out there.

[00:34:41] And what we are, this is a, people always go, what can I do? What can I do? The indoctrination is so bad. Here is something very tangible and easy to do. Buy this. Go to your local school district. Work to get it hung in your local school district. It's, and we need to do this. These documents should be in every single school in the country already. It shouldn't be hard to do.

[00:35:07] But we know, we know that students are not being taught everything they should be taught right now in school. So this would be a very easy thing for us, us to do. And they're, and they're beautiful. They're, they're works of art. They'll look good on the wall. And then my, my email address is on that website. If anybody out there does buy one for a school and gets it framed, take a picture, please.

[00:35:33] He had a room and when he, when, if he sold a set to the, to a bank who bought one for each school, he would tell the bank president to call the local newspaper and, and, and make a big deal of it. You know, when you're hanging it and the, and even television studios, you know, get some, get some press out of it because he just thought it was a big deal. And I do, I think it's a bigger deal now than it was then. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:36:01] And then when you do this, if you're, if you're calling the local newspaper, if you're putting a press release out, tying it to his history and reminding people that we are carrying on a tradition that a man started 75 years ago. And it's a worthy tradition that we need to, to be able to, to continue. I, I, I couldn't agree more. Well, Mark, you're doing amazing work. And I looked at that page of the people who signed it.

[00:36:30] You've got Ted Cruz right there, Mike Gallagher, Jesse Waters, Charlie Kirk. You've got Diamond and Silk. I, you've got really some amazing people who, who have signed that, that constitution. It is really just, just quite amazing. And what you're doing with, with this, it, I, I just love it. And I love the, the history of what you're, you're doing.

[00:36:59] I learned a lot of history from doing this project. And I've read a lot more than I did when I was a kid, certainly. Of course, we had to pass a constitution test. You know, so we had to learn something, but I've learned a lot. As far as that piece that's been signed, you could do probably an hour long show just with JJ and he could go through each one of these pictures and, and tell you a story about what happened. 231. Yeah. Yeah. We got even more.

[00:37:28] He's, he's been, he's been taking it still to places, but the ones that we have there, that are on the website at there's 216. There's a lot of great stories. Just a lot of great stories behind each one of those pictures. Well, I think it is wonderful. And I hope that people will go and sign up, buy a copy of this. And then I hope that we are able to help connect you so that we can, can continue to get the word out. This is just quite remarkable. Mark, you and JJ are making a huge difference.

[00:37:58] And, and, and, and it, and Theodore Oman did as well. And the, and it just shows what one man, what one person in America can do. You have an idea, you, you get to work and you can truly leave, leave a mark for the better in this country. Absolutely. And it all started because he was taught about the declaration as a school boy in Bohemia.

[00:38:24] And he always thought it was the greatest document ever written because he lived, he did not live in a totally free country. So when he came over here, he loved his adopted country and that, that's why he did it. That's why he did it. And of course, how he did it is he was fortunate enough to learn the art of lithography from his grandfather. You know, if he didn't do that, he wouldn't have been able to do it.

[00:38:47] So it is a really interesting, unique story that, uh, of, of one man who, who, who was doing something to make a difference. And it reminds us all that we need to keep learning about the declaration of independence and sharing it with our children and grandchildren and the next generation. Amen to that. Mark Hill, thank you so much for joining me today. People can go to bigparty250.com to... Big Party 250. You said 2050.

[00:39:15] So it's Big Party 250. 250. Yeah. Not 2050, but 250. So people can go to bigparty250.com to, to get your print and to buy a print to put in your schools. Thank you so much for joining me, Mark. Thank you, Jenny. I appreciate it. If you enjoyed today's conversation, go ahead and hit like, and subscribe. It really helps us reach more people who care about liberty and the constitution.

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