16 Charged With Illegal Voting in 7 States & Ohio Told It Can't Check Citizenship | Jim Pfaff

[00:00:00] On Friday, the Justice Department charged 16 people in 7 states with voting in elections they had no right to vote in. Of those 16, 8 are non-citizens living in the Lone Star State of Texas. Now, some are alleged to have voted in 2022 and some are alleged to have voted in 2024. But here's the part that should bother you. Every one of those ballots was counted and not one, not even one, was caught by any election official.

[00:00:30] On the day it was cast. Prosecutors found most of them years later while they were looking at something else entirely. One legal vote per citizen. We will continue fighting for this standard and we are 43 days away from the crucial 2026 midterm elections. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. I'm Robert McNeely in for Jenny Beth Martin.

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[00:03:40] My guest for the hour is really an expert on all of this. Jim Paff, president of the Conservative Caucus. He has been chief of staff to a couple of congressmen and he knows the legislative process and how it works. Jim Paff, thank you for joining us today on The Jenny Beth Show. Hey, good to be with you. Thanks for having me, Robert. Oh, yes, sir. The Justice Department charged 16 people in seven states with voting and elections they had no right to vote in.

[00:04:06] Now, prosecutors found most of these people's alleged violations years after the ballots were already counted. So what does that timeline tell you about how these cases actually get found? Boy, I mean, it shows there are two major things that have to be really taken into account here. The first of all, well, actually three.

[00:04:31] The first thing I want to say is you will hear often people on the left who want illegals to vote to refer to Heritage Foundation project that they claim shows. Yeah, there's not much in the way of election fraud that takes place there. Well, the reality is these cases where we already know, by the way, over six thousand people, probably tens of thousands of people in New Jersey are illegally registered to vote.

[00:05:00] I mean, we know that for a fact that's already been admitted publicly. So we know that that's out there, but it just shows how difficult it is to get the actual information. That's the first thing. The second thing is the process is highly, highly flawed. Democrats took advantage in this century of what we call the motor voter laws that were passed in the 1990s,

[00:05:29] which were ostensibly designed to make it easier to register to vote so that you could do it at the license branch. Now, that law passed, even though there was some problem with it in certain people's mind, certainly in my mind at the time. But that passed because in the 1990s, if you got a driver's license, you had to prove that you were born in the United States. Like you had to be an American citizen and show proof of citizenship in every state.

[00:05:56] And so Democrats started changing these laws in their states and and then really putting on steroids, the registration, the voter registration of people coming through those license branches. So at the same time, they were lessening the requirements of citizenship proof. They were increasing the moves of people getting to voter registration, which is specifically what caused the problem in New Jersey.

[00:06:25] Now, lastly, when it comes to validating things on the back end, these states are particularly the Democrat ones are highly uncooperative when it comes to validating someone's citizenship when asked by the federal government, which, by the way, these requests that the Trump administration are making, they're part of the actual written law. Like Harmeet Dillon, who's pushing these cases from the Civil Rights Division.

[00:06:52] She's 100 percent backed by stated, clearly stated law that she can go get those voter records and make these verifications and validations because the federal government has more records than sometimes the states have on who is a citizen, who is not.

[00:07:10] This is absolutely at every level for all the reasons I stated in more Democrat obstruction, because they want to replace American citizen votes with illegal non-citizen votes. At one single moment, Jim, is registering to vote. Does anybody actually check this citizenship today? Because based on what you're answering, it seems that some of these states are simply hiding this from the federal government. Well, they are specifically hiding it from the federal government.

[00:07:40] At the same time, they're loosening requirements for proof of citizenship. And there was a myriad of different methodologies that states used prior to this century, not all of which were as clearly stated or clear verification as others. There was quite a bit of mix.

[00:08:33] The fact that the states were very common in all the states. So the reality is that at the front and the back end, Democrat states on the front end where all those requirements to show citizenship have been highly loosened in many states. So now even you can do attestation.

[00:08:51] You know, this recent Ohio case is kind of an interesting one because when it was struck down to show citizenship in the court case, it was shown that there were some attestation opportunities where someone could just attest that you were a citizen. That Ohio had another part of its law. So it invalidated it. These attestation things are a real big problem on the front end. On the back end, though, states are they don't want to cooperate.

[00:09:21] They refuse to cooperate. And in fact, I would say they're obstructing justice because there's very there are very real laws in the books that require them at the request of the DOJ to provide records that are necessary to make these validations. It really is a scam happening right in front of our eyes with judges all over the country going in on the scam. And in fact, now we know based on what was going on in Minnesota with the fraud that's up there.

[00:09:50] We know that judges are coordinating with one another to create this obstruction, these obstructions. So this is a serious, serious issue. It's a real problem of the rule of law in this country. Well, it's remarkable. You need to clean the voter rolls. And I don't want this to be an issue necessarily, Jim, that people should not vote or trust the system, you know, respecting where the jurisdiction is, their precinct, their county, their respective state, especially in the Buckeye State. My goodness, that Senate race very close.

[00:10:20] This is something I've been curious about, though. Is there ramifications voters can take outside of a yes or no for these judges in the peaceful, patriotic questioning of our elected officials in Article 3? Can they remove judges from office when they are allegedly colluding in order to do some of these nefarious things? There's a patchwork of laws in all the states in terms of removing state judges.

[00:10:49] But at the federal level, there's a very simple process. There are two very simple processes that Congress has available to them. One is the impeachment process. They can impeach these judges if they're doing something wrong. That's the more difficult one. The much simpler one is one that I know that former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich has talked about for years. Eliminate the circuits.

[00:11:13] Eliminate the appellate courts entirely and take their authority away. You can also defund those courts as well. And then you start from scratch. Get someone else in there that will do what's right. The Constitution only creates the United States Supreme Court.

[00:11:35] It says that any court which is inferior to the U.S. Supreme Court, Congress creates at its pleasure and at its direction. That which also means they can take those courts away and reform them and reshape them. This is something that Congress has been unwilling to do for years.

[00:11:54] It's the one thing that Congress can do as opposed to the things that Democrats talk about, which is making this U.S. Supreme Court, packing it, throwing new justices in and changing that around in a way that has less constitutional backing, if any.

[00:12:13] But getting rid of these circuit courts for these these the federal courts, excuse me, and reforming and reshaping them or eliminating them is something that Congress can do at at its pleasure with a simple majority vote. And it just needs to do it. Democrats are saying that 16 ballots of the roughly 160 million is simply a rounding error. Jim, do you have a response for that? Because it seems like their math is a bit off.

[00:12:40] Well, any anything like this is much more than a rounding error because of its significance. One, two, it is only scratching the surface of things that are going on. Like if Democrats are going to make that argument after these cases have been brought up, then what they have to do is ask, why is it that the New Jersey governor announced that they had more than 6000 illegals registered to vote?

[00:13:10] And some hundreds of them that they said actually did vote. And then we found out that there are other records that show that that's at least a potential 10x, maybe more likelihood. Like there are that many more, 10 or maybe up to 100 times more illegals that are actually on the rolls compared to what they were willing to say.

[00:13:32] So 6000 was the tip of the iceberg of 10s or maybe hundreds of thousands that illegals that are actually registered in New Jersey. There's every reason to believe that this problem is at least that severe in every state that does not require citizenship proof for registration to vote.

[00:13:55] That that's just a fact. So, yeah, 16 may not be much, but it shows that we've definitely got a problem and it is clearly much worse than just those 16. It really makes my blood boil thinking about this going in 43 days until the midterm elections. Is there any way to know the real number at this point? Yeah, there is a very simple way to know. Every state should turn over every detail, the voter records they have to the DOJ.

[00:14:23] They can do it under a privacy agreement. And and then the DOJ can take records at DHS and elsewhere and compare those about those names on those voter registration lists, validate if they and they're not going to catch everybody, but they'll catch. I work with that all day long in the stuff we do like data.

[00:14:45] There are some quirky aspects of data, but you can get a large number of illegals either registered to vote or actually voting. You can figure that out very simply. By the way, there's one other little simple thing to do.

[00:15:00] All that that you have to do is go out and find every vacant address or every UPS store box or other postal service box store out there and see who's registered to vote in those locations. You would also find a whole lot of people, not just illegals, but others who are not legally registered to vote because of the laws of those states.

[00:15:24] There's so much you can do to get to the biggest chunk of this problem and fix it if there's only the will to do it. And those not willing to do it are people who are willing to perpetuate and maintain a massive fraud that's being put on the American people right now. I might have to draft Jim Paff for Indiana Secretary of State because, I mean, you're truly an expert on this, my friend.

[00:15:51] And you have so many great ideas grounded deeply into our founding principles. Now, 250 years young, I'm going to go down a path now, as we do often, comparing some apples to oranges, because this is so important to the fabric of a constitutional republic. Why does a false citizenship claim turn up in a firearms case and a voting case at the same time? Anything to look into there?

[00:16:14] Well, it's a combination of ineptitude, confusing or unclear laws and rules, and real fraud being perpetrated by government actors, either bureaucrats or elected officials. It's one of those three things, sometimes a combination of all those things. That's really what we're looking at here.

[00:16:43] And listen, what we do in the administrative aspects of our government, clearly you're going to get human errors. We all understand that. The problem is that when you have stated principles, particularly amongst Democrats, by the way, some Republicans too. I mean, let's be fair about this. Yes, absolutely. But mostly in Democrat ranks, stated purpose to allow non-citizens to vote.

[00:17:13] Then you understand that you have worse than a mere human error issue. You really have plans and circumstances. A lot of efforts to promote plausible deniability. Oh, well, you know, we were trying to, you know, do the law the right way. But, you know, somehow it just slipped when actually was it, did it slip or was it pushed? Well, it's often pushed.

[00:17:39] So that, that's the issue that we're dealing with on a consistent basis. You've got a combination of the corruption and the fallibility of mankind. The only way you can adjudicate those problems is with clearly stated laws and then real consequences for people in elected and bureaucratic positions for their actions.

[00:18:02] And this is one reason I will say that I have been calling for years now the elimination of what's called qualified immunity for any bureaucrat and most elected officials. Because, you know, there's been a real move in the anti-police movement to get rid of qualified immunity, which is this. Basically, qualified immunity in police ranks, which is basically this. You're a police officer doing your duty. There are mistakes made.

[00:18:31] The accountability should be with the institution, not necessarily with the individual who's putting themselves in a precarious situation and just trying to follow the edicts that they are placed under. Okay. Listen, it sounds like a good argument. And maybe that we can keep qualified immunity for police officers.

[00:18:49] I don't think we can any longer keep qualified immunity from elected officials, but certainly from bureaucrats who have the law in front of them and very often are the co-conspirators with political actors to do bad things. When they do things that are wrong, they ought to go to jail. But there's also one other thing taking place here.

[00:19:13] We have, through recent weaponization of government, particularly against Donald Trump and people that were in his orbit dealing with the 2020 election and so forth, we actually have. Oh, and also the censorship that's taken place, the shutting down of private businesses during COVID, all these things.

[00:19:33] We have a very serious issue of conspiring to remove the rights of individuals that political and bureaucratic actors have been undertaking. Like serious violations of the Bill of Rights, First Amendment rights, Second Amendment rights, Fourth Amendment rights when it comes to the weaponization of government. And by the way, when it comes to the Patriot Act as well, too.

[00:20:00] I mean, these are tangential issues as they relate to rights. But you're also taking away the rights of citizens when you are diluting their personal vote as a citizen and giving it to non-citizens. There should be criminal penalties that these people should go under. In fact, they should probably be subject to civil penalties as well. We need to have accountability in government. It's the only way that you can stop these bad actions.

[00:20:30] Todd Blanche, in really bringing up these 16 cases recently, is at least taking some steps to get there. There are a whole lot more to do. But this needs to be expanded and perpetrated much further because people who commit fraud ought to pay the penalty for it. We'll put Senator Mike Lee's post up on the screen there. Of course, a great senator from Utah stating it in seven words this past weekend. Non-citizen voting happens.

[00:20:58] Stop denying its existence. And Jim, as you've put it so eloquently today, you know this. You've been on the front lines. You were chief of staff to two members of Congress. 78.3% of voters say you should prove citizenship to register. And that's regardless of their party affiliation. Why has the Senate not moved on this? Well, two reasons.

[00:21:23] One that seems practical and is the one that they argue most for is that because of the Senate rules, you need 60 votes to get out of debate on a bill. But frankly, John Thune is lying about what the implications of that are because you need 60 votes to get out of debate. He says you need 60 votes to do business in the Senate. That's just a lie.

[00:21:49] If Republicans would, if 51 Republicans would decide to stay on a floor to keep a quorum going and work through the general debate procedures, then I believe you could get the Save America Act passed.

[00:22:05] We did this already in 1964, where then Democrat Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield laid the groundwork for debate to continue on the Civil Rights Act bill. They went through the process not filing cloture, not allowing amendments. And by the way, the Save America Act was filed on the floor in a manner, the floor of the Senate,

[00:22:33] in a manner that you couldn't do amendments, which might reset the debates. If you just force people to go into that process, yes, it shuts down the process on any other bills or any other legislation you'd like to be moving forward. But it also can wear down the opposition. You don't just need to convince people to give you the 60 votes. You need to wear them down so badly that they're willing to go to that.

[00:23:03] That's exactly what happened with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. You eventually got to a cloture vote because Mike Mansfield wouldn't let anything else happen on the floor until that happened. And he kept he kept a group of Republican and Democrat senators willing to keep the quorum going. To make people have to suffer if they wanted to filibuster on it.

[00:23:30] You can really get to Mr. Smith goes to Washington if you're willing to get there. And that that is something that is, to my mind, the most frustrating thing about Republicans in the Senate and particularly John Thune, is they're not willing to fight for what 78, 80 percent of the American people want. I mean, it's the most absurd political action that I've ever witnessed amongst many, by the way, in all my time, both on Capitol Hill and working outside of it.

[00:24:00] It's obscene and absurd that they're not willing to fight for what 80 percent of the American people want. I think they could take some inspiration from Jimmy Stewart's very famous character when Mr. Smith went to Washington. Now, of course, 10 years after that point of passing that civil rights legislation landmark, the Conservative Caucus began organizing since 1974. And it's highly unlikely, as you put it, Jim, that we are going to get the Senate to pass the Save America Act before the election.

[00:24:28] Again, 43 days away. So why does that make poll watching and poll working even more important in every single precinct across the country? Oh, listen, every person needs to take inspiration, negative inspiration from watching the videos in the city of Detroit during the 2020 election,

[00:24:51] when Republican poll watchers were kicked out of a major vote counting area in that city. They were pushed out. Democrats closed the doors. They started putting up pieces of cardboard over the glass so they couldn't see anything. Now, that was a criminal violation that has never been prosecuted. And I cannot for the life of me figure out why. And I don't think it's only a state matter.

[00:25:18] I think there are federal violations in that as well. The fact is that secretaries of state in this country or whoever the authority in that state is, some states it's not the secretary of state. Every election authority, they don't run elections. Their job is to certify the work of citizens who run elections.

[00:25:44] And I need everyone listening to me to listen to understand this very, very closely. You are the one who runs elections in this country. It's not government officials. There's no doubt that we send the sort of send up for certification. The vote counts that happen in the precincts and whatever geographical jurisdiction that those votes are being placed.

[00:26:11] But the people who conduct that process are citizens. That's who wins, who makes sure the election process is handled properly. They can do that cooperatively between Democrat and Republican and other poll watchers. But they must be done by poll watchers nonetheless. And except in the state of California, which has made it illegal for citizens to monitor elections, that's literally the case.

[00:26:37] They have taken all of that authority out of citizens and put it into government hands. That is the odd way to do business. The way that we have always done it is on the principle that we, the people, in order to form a more perfect union, the idea of popular sovereignty, we are the ones who are in control of our government. We are also and should be the ones who run our elections. You need to get involved.

[00:27:04] That is a safety factor because that's how you can find out any wrong things that are being done and stop them in their tracks. It's a great protection for our voting system. And we need protections for our voting system as we work through these legislative fixes and judicial fixes to get us back to the elections that worked very well for the first 230 years of our existence.

[00:27:33] Until during the Obama administration and slightly before that, Democrats were fighting hard to institute the current third world election processes that we have in place now. An excellent reminder. And one more quick question before a very imperative break. Congresswoman Ana Polina Luna says dual citizens have no business running for federal office.

[00:27:57] And 47,674 people liked that post. So I would say that went viral. The Constitution's qualifications clauses don't mention it at all. But can Congress do that by statute, Jim? There's a constitutional question on it because what it does say is you must have been a citizen for an amount of time. It doesn't distinguish things like holding dual citizenship.

[00:28:24] But I think you could make a logical case to eliminate dual citizenship or to eliminate those who have dual citizenship from having any qualification to serve in Congress. I think that that would be a good thing to do. It would be a very interesting challenge that would inevitably go to the Supreme Court. But I think because it says you must be a citizen in the constitutional language, you could make a rational case for this.

[00:28:54] By the way, it's a bit of a gray area. There's nothing explicit there. But I think that that would be an interesting argument to have. So is it unconstitutional for Congress to pass this law? I don't think it is evidently unconstitutional for them to do that. But would it, you know, make it through constitutional muster in the Supreme Court? I think that's maybe a flip of the coin. And I think it would be worth putting up to the challenge.

[00:29:22] As we go to a break, some information on how you can help at the polls. When we come back, a federal judge has told Ohio it can't check proof of citizenship. And the Buckeye State's registration closes in 14 days. Jim, stay with me as we take a quick break. Election Day is Tuesday, November 3rd. And your precinct needs a trustworthy neighbor in that room. No matter who wins, everyone must have trust in the outcome of our elections. There are two ways to get involved.

[00:29:51] And a lot of people get these mixed up. A poll worker is sometimes called an election official. They run the precinct. And normally your local county board of elections hires you, trains you, and in most places pays you for the work as a poll worker. And we need poll workers on Election Day as well as during early voting. A poll watcher observes the process and reports what they see. Normally to do this, you sign up through your local political party,

[00:30:20] like your local Republican Party or Democratic Party or Central Committee, whatever your area calls it. And a poll watcher is a volunteer position. Now, I named both parties just then on purpose. No matter who wins this election, I want every American to trust the outcome of the election. We need people to sign up to be poll workers first because those positions are filling up as we speak. And that deadline normally happens before the deadline for being a poll watcher. Don't wait for someone else to answer this call.

[00:30:51] You can be an American hero this election cycle. Visit helpatthepolls.com to learn how to get started. Again, that's helpatthepolls.com. Welcome back to the Jenny Beth Show. I'm Robert McNeely in for Jenny Beth Martin. We are with Jim PATH, president of the Conservative Caucus. A federal judge has told Ohio it cannot ask for proof of citizenship

[00:31:18] when somebody registers at the motor vehicle office. Walk me through this, Jim, and what the judge actually held per his statute. Well, listen, apparently the law was clear in terms of this process. What the judge allowed the opponents in the case to argue

[00:31:44] was that there were other processes available that would allow mere attestation by a third party of someone's citizenship. And because there were conflicts in the law, he put a stay on the whole thing. You know, this is where, you know, it's a combination of legislative malpractice

[00:32:10] and pedantic judicial process. When I say pedantic, I mean that judges sometimes, when they want to get something done, lawyers do this too when they're advocating, they will go at a picky part of the law and try to draw something out of it that wasn't particularly clearly there. So that's what I think was done in this case.

[00:32:38] And listen, the obvious reality of some of the group of laws that are being considered in this case that were passed was legislative intent to make sure that only citizens vote and get driver's licenses. That's it. I mean, when you know that the legislature attempted that and that they clearly attempted to make a change,

[00:33:05] yes, you can pick at some other aspect of the law they didn't reverse to make sure that happened. But if you're going to be pedantic on that end, you can be pedantic on the other end too, which is to say the newer law that had an intent of validation of citizenship is clearly what the legislature is intending right now. You can be picky on both sides of this. It's just that, and it is a bad situation when it comes to this,

[00:33:31] but you very clearly smoke out the purpose and intent of the judge when they're willing to be picky on a certain end of it. You can find out what they're really trying to get to one way or the other. I think it's very clear that Americans want only citizenship voting. That's all they want. And in license branches, if you're going to get an ID and a state's going to allow for an ID, you need to have a clear indication on that ID.

[00:34:01] If someone is getting it because they're a green card holder, for example, which is the only legal way that they should get any identification in this country, by the way, but do you have identification that they're not a citizen with that registration? This is what Americans want. And judges that are unwilling to deal with that, where there is enough understanding of the law to get to that end point, are judges that are trying to undermine our system in general.

[00:34:29] They have no sense of what our system is about and why we need to protect it. That is a real problem. And again, there is a lot of coordinate. We're learning more and more of coordination of judges to stop these changes that the American people have voted for or seemingly indicate that they in large numbers that they'd like to come about. That was the thing about it, too, Jim, because the judge said Ohio's sequencing was the problem

[00:34:58] separate from the proof requirement. So I'm not sure what that means by the letter of the law, unless you have any more details on what the Buckeye State has in its statutes. Well, I'm not at all clear. And I was trying to look up when I looked this up, and I apologize. I didn't have the specific reference. But I mean, again, just back to my earlier point, this is being picky enough to try to

[00:35:25] get to a predetermined outcome. It's actually, you know, in law schools, one of the things that lawyers are trained to learn are the principles of logic, or at least, well, historically have been. We could go into a long argument of things that Barack Obama argued for when he was a law student and a movement that had begun during his time in law school, I think in the 80s,

[00:35:52] where they were trying to get away from, well, moving toward a anti-rational approach to legal determinations and legal conduct. But the reason lawyers have always been taught logic is because logical methods are necessary when you have all this information running in front of you to try to get at the real understanding

[00:36:22] of what was intended, what was events and circumstances that lead to the legal action, and then a proper analysis of what the language of law and, in bigger and more consequential cases, the language of the Constitution actually mean. We're always going to make mistakes on that as humans, but the attempt needs to be there.

[00:36:46] When you see someone looking for a reason to get to a certain thing, you have a massive breakdown in the logical process that can make clear distinctions between things that are. And human beings have this problem generally because we can bring our biases into it. I saw an example recently.

[00:37:11] I was watching a video on someone talking about basic logical process. And pointed out, he said, most people get wrong the construct. You see numbers 2, 4, 6. Then you see numbers 8, 10, 12. Then you see numbers 22, 24, 26. And what's the pattern here?

[00:37:35] And a lot of people will say, well, those are even number progressions. Well, I mean, that is true, but fundamentally, really what that is, is just increasing numbers in the three series. Like at the base of it, that's really what it is. And because the bias can come in to say, oh, well, that's raising numbers by even amounts, you forget the more basic principles that are fundamental to it. That's what logic does.

[00:38:05] We do not undertake that kind of rigor to figure out what's going on. But when you see someone get to a conclusion, which is obviously a political one, now you see bias coming into it. We're filled with bias in so many aspects of our legal system right now. And we've got to change that. We need to demand more. That's the kind of question I would fear in math class going back to my school days.

[00:38:31] But I want to preface this question as well, because I do not want to, as mentioned earlier in the show, make anyone fear going to the polls. We want Republicans and Democrats in that room observing and working these elections, because as you said, Jim, so eloquently, we are supposed to self-govern. And we've been able to do that relatively successful for 230 years, even with all of those obstacles

[00:38:57] from the KKK to voter suppression, mostly led by Democrats in the South all those years ago. But even with that, it's been really a problem over the course of these far left philosophies and institutional regime rule of Barack Hussein Obama and that of Joseph R. Biden Jr., otherwise known as the auto pen. But the registration in Ohio closing on October 5th. That's coming up. Only 14 days away. We're two weeks away from that.

[00:39:26] What happens if the Sixth Circuit, speaking of those circuit courts, rules on October 6th in another direction? It messes up the election. But then my argument would be, if we're going to accept that as an argument, then why are we accepting all these other arguments that go the way of Democrats in other legal cases that have been brought forth that have said that, oh, well, that's too close to the election and you can't do that right.

[00:39:56] We've had a lot of those arguments in the last, in recent months, in the last handful of months or so. Why is it suddenly so important right here in this one? I just, I go right back to the political nature of much of what happens in our courts. And we have to resist that. And by the way, in that regard, whatever happened to the demand that we all follow legal precedent?

[00:40:24] Isn't there precedent set in all these other cases that stop things that Trump administration was seeking to implement, but suddenly you have a different standard here? Why aren't you looking at legal precedent? I thought that that's what we were supposed to be concerned about. In other words, we have got to get to a place in our country, both in what we do in our law schools, what we do as a culture, and what we demand as a public when we observe even what judges are doing.

[00:40:54] Judges are not immune to being criticized. We need to get to an expectation again in our culture that we demand objective truth to guide what happens in our legal system and as much as we can through our political system, or else this relativism will take us down paths that will become very hard to get out of.

[00:41:23] That is a fundamental issue. Now, I'm going to speak particularly to people of religious faith and particularly to Christians that might be listening and say, why are you not doing that very thing? You have a great example of it. Well, you have examples all throughout scripture, but you have one really good example right there in the beginning of the front of your Bible, which is God said, if you eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall surely die.

[00:41:52] And then Satan through the serpent came in and said, you won't die. You'll just be like God, knowing good and evil. Like this exchange of truth versus non-truth, we keep fighting with throughout our personal lives and throughout our public and cultural lives. If you claim to be a person of religious faith and you claim to be a Christian or you claim

[00:42:19] to be a Jew, and yet you do not understand this particular principle of how we judge culture and you're unwilling through maybe neglect or even maybe as bad as cowardice to not point these things out and demand some shame when these principles are being violated, then you're going to get the results that you get that frustrate you so badly.

[00:42:44] So it's at election times like this that we can remind ourselves how important it is our engagement in every part of our lives, not just sitting back and doing nothing. Beginning, by the way, in your family. These things should be in your family, but you should be teaching them to your children so future generations as well will have the same instinct. We have that instinct in a higher measure for most of our history.

[00:43:13] We've been losing that instinct through this century because we've been allowing evil Democrat arguments that violate the principles of rationality and have moved us into a relativistic state. It's actually been happening more than in this century, but certainly in a deep manner in the century of a man can become a woman.

[00:43:38] I'm so happy you're bringing this up, Jim, because President Reagan spoke to these kitchen table issues where the family did not have cell phones like we do now, but regardless of that, plenty of distractions, plenty of ways to find entertainment, but sat down for dinner and discuss these issues. That's why civics education so vital, the future of this nation. Deuteronomy is the most quoted book from the Bible within English common law, which gave birth to our country. Leviticus is literally on the Liberty Bell.

[00:44:08] It's so important to go back to all of these things, and that's what we have to do now as we look 43 days out of this crucial election. But Jim, I mentioned this for our viewers in the opening monologue. Two very interesting numbers came out of the Census Bureau on September 15th that are worth highlighting. Now, real median household income hit 87,460 in 2025.

[00:44:33] That's the highest since this series began recording in 1967, and the official poverty rate falling to 10.2 percent. So that's the lowest on record. Both record breakers this year. But there's a real gap between the economic numbers and what people are saying when they talk to pollsters, specifically with a recent NBC poll. Now, are these numbers even worth following anymore? And are they realistic or relevant as we enter this final stretch of the 2026 elections?

[00:45:03] Well, these numbers are very relevant to every Republican that might want to get elected this time around. Why do I say that? Because you can poo-poo the numbers if you want to. But as I often say, even all these inaccurate polls that we constantly get in recent decades, they may be inaccurate, but they do tell you something. There is a sentiment out there amongst Americans that they're doing poorly.

[00:45:33] But what you have to analyze through all this is why do they feel they're doing poorly? Because it is a feeling. There's much of it that's not quite connected to the reality. And the reason that it's not connected is this phenomenon in polling where the individual responding to a poll is more worried about problems with the other person than they're actually worried about problems with themselves.

[00:46:01] And they tend to project their reactions based upon what they think someone else is going through. But politicians also need to make this analysis. Like, that's inaccurate when an individual makes that analysis in a poll response. But it is very useful when a politician has that response when they're looking at polls. Because it does mean that the sentiment exists even when it's an inaccurate one.

[00:46:27] And in this particular case, people have to remember that another reason the economic numbers feel wrong to a lot of Americans is because they keep going to the gas pump every week, sometimes twice a week. And they're sitting there saying, why am I putting, filling up my 17-gallon gas tank or my 15-gallon gas tank and paying 40 to 60 bucks all the time? Like, I used to pay 15 to 25 bucks. I don't get this.

[00:46:56] That is a very real thing. You cannot ignore that that's happening. The question is, how do you properly put perspective on it? And the way you do that is not just to spout numbers. I think there's some degree of that. But to also make, tell stories and make comparisons. Tell the story.

[00:47:18] Like, one story I would tell about myself, I have a 2010 F250 6.4 liter diesel. Like, it's a huge diesel engine. My gas tank is, I think, about 28 gallons in it. And I remember specifically in spring of 2021 that I was paying somewhere on the order of like $2.50 to $3 a gallon for diesel fuel.

[00:47:46] And by the time all Biden's executive orders started coming in, it wasn't, but by May, May and June, I was paying $4.50 to $5 a gallon. That was specifically because of what Joe Biden did.

[00:48:04] Now, fast forward to when Donald Trump took office, those prices had gone down just a little bit because Joe Biden started throwing out all of the strategic oil reserve to try to save himself in an election, which didn't work. When we got back down to $350 a gallon, maybe $3.80, somewhere between $350 and $3.80 a gallon of diesel.

[00:48:28] And what we learned from that is that Biden was twisting it, but those prices stayed low in that way until Donald Trump did the Iraq war. Now, we can argue that we don't like that, but the reality is we know why that happened. When I watch all of our other prices not going through the roof, and in fact, many prices going down.

[00:48:52] And then I see today that inflation is way down in the less than 3% range, which never happened in the Biden administration, except maybe a quarter or two. And GDP growth was just recently reported at 5%. Like, I don't know if people understand this, but 5% is massive, massive growth. That is not small growth. Why is that happening? It's not happening because of Joe Biden.

[00:49:20] You couldn't get barely 2% GDP growth, maybe 3% to 4% and a quarter or two. But overall, not much. Why has that changed? It's changed because in many reasons, but the one big beautiful bill allows every American, most Americans, to keep more in their pocket every single day because they're not paying tax on overtime. So they can go ahead and work harder if they want to make extra money and not pay a price for it.

[00:49:49] They get no tax on tips. So a young person that's trying to make it in college or someone that's trying to make extra income in a waiter position or waitress position, they can get as much in tips as they want. They don't have to worry about paying extra taxes. And every senior is positively affected by not paying taxes on that income. But here's another thing.

[00:50:14] This growth is happening because the one big beautiful bill allowed companies to immediately expense in their investments to grow their businesses. And that is beginning to play out now. We're just at the beginning of that. We will have massive growth.

[00:50:30] If we can get fully past the Iran war and fully past as these investments start to play out over the next year, you're going to see such economic growth that you want to keep the people that did that in power, in an office. Donald Trump has done these things. Tell the stories. Tell the reality. Don't make it mere numbers. But show people that it is working for them and how.

[00:50:59] And then make the liars have to argue why you're wrong. I think that's the point we need to ask. And that happened in the first term, too. Yeah, Jim, and these are excellent points because it was former Governor Jeff Bush in 2019 that actually said, oh, I have to eat crow. I'm going to tweet out to President Trump that he surpassed that 4% mark back in 2019. He said during the 2016 debates, it's only a pipe dream. There's no way you'll get there, Donald. And then he pulled it off. And I remember that tweet. Congratulations, Mr. President.

[00:51:29] You got us into this new economic engine of the United States, as Reagan spoke of. When you release and get rid of the regulations and implement this, amazing things happen. And a lot of people, especially Secretary Besant, deserve great credit for really being architects in all of this. We are. The first term was for every regulation, new regulation that came into the federal government. You had to remove two.

[00:51:53] They're now reaching removing 23 different regulations for each new regulation. That story is not told enough. So that's why we want to highlight that here at the Jenny Ben show. And another one. They need to tell the story of everything that my friend Russ Vogt is doing as OMB director. Absolutely. We have the lowest federal employment since 1966. What does that mean? That means we're going to spend a whole lot. I mean, billions of dollars less.

[00:52:19] That's down more than 200,000 employees in the federal government. Actually, I think the number is larger than that. I just haven't looked at it. Tell these stories. Show people how that's having an effect. And by the way, tell people that this is what the Trump administration is doing. You've got 60 open seats right now. Donald Trump needs to make this particular case.

[00:52:41] You've got 60 open seats and potentially up to 60 either new Republicans or held Republican seats with new people in them. And Donald Trump needs to be telling every one of the people that support him, go tell those candidates, we want you to support the Trump agenda because it's working. That would be a great message for Donald Trump to say. And that's something we have to remember and have perspective on in all this.

[00:53:10] Yes, I'll tell my new congressman, John Cowan, get to it and tell the district because this is a winning message. There's no question about that. A little bit of a quick subject change for you, Jim. In the Commonwealth of Virginia, Governor Spanberger reversed the Yunkin era rule on girls sports by regulation rather than legislation. She's been quite a governor there in Virginia.

[00:53:30] If that same mechanism problem is in a different subject, where's the thing people voted for if it's getting undone by something they never voted on? Is this not tyranny that's happening in the Commonwealth? Well, yeah, in many ways. I mean, one of the interesting things about Virginia and the way the Commonwealth of Virginia is set up is that it's actually functioned, even in the rise of Democrats in the state,

[00:53:57] in a pretty liberty manner because of the constitutional provisions that still remain in Virginia. But what's interesting is Democrats have been fighting tooth and nail for every bit of three up to four decades in Virginia to make that state go radical leftist if they could. One thing that they're doing, and this is kind of something a lot of people aren't talking about, but everyone should be aware of. There are two amendments on the ballot in Virginia right now.

[00:54:27] One related to transgenderism and one related to the expansion of abortion up to term. And you finally have the Catholic diocese and there's an archdiocese and a diocese in the state. They're actually, for the first time in history, it seems, in Virginia coming out strongly and telling their parishioners,

[00:54:51] you need to vote against these two things, and they're actually engaging the parishes deeply into telling their people to get registered to vote and to vote and to do something about these issues. There is something very quietly happening in Virginia that a lot of people are not talking about that may have a positive effect to oppose these radical measures that Abigail Spanberger has been doing.

[00:55:16] And not just that, the bills that came out of the legislature, you know, Republicans had a huge loss in the legislative elections in Virginia in 2025. And the people are paying the price for it. There just might be a massive and unexpected turn of events in Virginia in this election. We're targeting three congressional races we think are winnable in Virginia in spite of all that they've done. So there's an interesting thing happening.

[00:55:46] And when you take these kinds of radical measures, you will get the repulsion of the people if you're not clear about what you're trying to do. And if those radical measures are not founded on basic constitutional principles, which is a great place to argue from. Because Republicans should be radical when it comes to constitutional principles and never radical when it comes to finding some beneficiary of some government spending or some tax break they want to give to some corporation.

[00:56:16] They need to make the things fair for the American people on a consistent basis. And everybody wins. That is what needs to happen. So watch Virginia. I think you're going to get some surprise. I don't know what's going to happen nationwide, but I think some surprising results are going to be happening in Virginia in November. Well, we'll be watching very closely. Jim, we'll get back to our discussion momentarily. But a couple of things before our quick break. If this is useful to you, please hit like and subscribe.

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[00:57:57] We're back with Jim Paff of the Conservative Caucus. Let's change subjects and go down to Austin, Texas, where an immigration officer shot a man yesterday. Very sad story. Yesterday afternoon in North Austin, an officer of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, otherwise known as ICE, shot a 28-year-old Venezuelan man named Wilbur Rafael Garces Perez once in the upper torso.

[00:58:23] He's in serious but stable condition and in federal custody. Homeland Security Investigations, HSI, is leading the investigation as well as the FBI assisting in this case. Austin police were not involved in the operation or in the shooting. And both the police chief and the mayor are implying that ICE cannot be trusted and that they need to intervene.

[00:58:48] Now, on the other hand, the Department of Homeland Security says the man entered the country illegally and had a final order of removal. Now, his attorney told CNN she could not confirm his immigration status, but she said what we do understand is that he previously held a valid work permit. And that based on the information available to us, he entered the United States lawfully. Since facts are still coming in here, we don't want to get over our skis on every detail of the situation. But we could say this.

[00:59:18] When immigration laws are ignored, as they were in the Biden administration, and we shift from the rule of law to the arbitrary rule of man, confusion like what this attorney is expressing can easily happen. We've been talking about this the whole episode, Jim.

[00:59:34] That's part of the reason why Tea Party Patriots action was so opposed to the auto pen setting aside immigration law when he was president and by opening our southern borders so widely. So such lawlessness and this behavior is not only unfair to everyone, but especially law abiding citizens, law enforcement, and even those who are allowed to enter our country illegally because harm is done. Well, I think. Go ahead, please.

[01:00:03] I was going to say, I think both of our organizations are part of the mass deportation coalition that my Cal of Oversight Project has put together. And because we see that in spite of the fact that you are going to have tragic circumstances take place in this particular one, why would you blame ICE? They wouldn't even be at this guy's house if he had been doing what he legally should have been doing. And that doesn't make it any less tragic or concerning. And that doesn't mean that you should treat it flippantly.

[01:00:31] But the reality is these problems are here because Joe Biden in particular and also previous Democrats and even some Republicans who have called for amnesty and so forth, people like Mitch McConnell, they have been contributing to this problem for many years. It just got much worse under the Biden administration. So as tragic as this particular circumstance is, and certainly anyone that should be held accountable should be held accountable.

[01:01:01] I mean, I don't know all the details. I'm just learning about it like you are with what I know. But in reality, this isn't a problem if we hadn't allowed mass illegals to come into this country. And we're not going to get rid of the problem until we have mass deportation and moving to a place where everyone who's not committing a crime goes back over the border and reapplies if they have some desire to come in here.

[01:01:28] And that we continue an aggressive movement to get every one of these criminal illegals out of here, maybe in a greater way than we are presently doing it. And not allow these fake tears of concern by certain folks allow us to get sidetracked from what the mission is.

[01:01:51] Everyone who says that they're concerned about if this action had gone overboard or anything wrong was done, okay, we can have that argument. But at the same time, every person on both sides of the aisle, anywhere in this country should be saying, but for the fact that this person came into this country illegally, this incident would never have occurred.

[01:02:13] And don't forget, we have thousands of people, maybe tens of thousands who have been violently harmed or killed by illegals who have come into this country. There is a lot of crime around what these people have done. And don't try to make comparisons against American crime versus crime illegals do and try to put these numbers together and say, well, which is a lie, by the way.

[01:02:42] Well, they don't commit crimes at the same rate as Americans. That's actually a lie. But again, I would only point out whatever amount of crime they've done would have been nearly zero if we had been handling this the right way to begin with. And because it's fully preventable. These is a tragedy for the American public. And we need to be getting this fixed now. Oh, yes, absolutely.

[01:03:06] And at a 125 year low for violent crime because of the Trump administration, this is even more nefarious, Jim, because it is preventable. It's all the policies of Washington, D.C. that boils over into communities throughout the country. Now, can a person hold a valid work permit and a final order removal at the same time? Shouldn't be able to. That's what I thought. Yeah.

[01:03:32] And the other thing, too, is that when someone has a removal notice, this is an administrative process. It's not a legal process in the strict sense of the entire rule of law process. This is something that Congress designed, where it said that the DOJ makes an administrative move to remove people. There is an administrative hearing at most. And then they're immediately deported.

[01:04:03] It's just absolutely absurd. And you have the administrative process not to give someone full legal rights like American citizens. They don't have the same rights as American citizens. What the administrative process does is say, did we overlook something that was actually happening that we didn't know was taking place? That's a quick review. And if there's nothing there, they need to go back over.

[01:04:28] Listen, the flippancy with which we have been treating illegal immigration in this country has caused a tremendous amount of financial harm for all Americans to the tune of hundreds of billions, nay, I would argue, trillions of dollars over time. Trillions of dollars of American money has been wasted on people who should never have been here to begin with.

[01:04:57] And then we can add to that the physical harm and even death that has been brought about because of the crime associated with illegals. This is one of the great tragedies of American history. And it may possibly be counted as a much worse tragedy even than the Civil War in this country.

[01:05:18] Because the physical and financial harm that has been brought about is vastly greater than that that took place even during the Civil War when we were fighting against each other and eventually came back together. This is one of the great crimes of history that we've allowed this to happen. It's much worse in places like Great Britain and other places in Europe where the illegal problem is really great.

[01:05:46] But it is huge as well here in the United States. We've got to get hold of this. And we need to tell our elected officials we demand that they do their part in making sure that this gets dealt with. That's why we elected Donald Trump. I think he's mostly been performing, although those of us as part of the Mass Deportation Coalition are telling him to even step it up further. We need that to happen. But he's the only president that's even seriously tried to deal with it.

[01:06:16] And we think it needs to go at a higher level because the American people's health, safety and income is at stake. Yes, it is truly a threat to Western civilization. And we need to make sure that something is done about it. I agree wholeheartedly. Jim Paff, thank you so much for joining me today, covering so many great topics that are pertinent to the American voter. And thank you for the work you do at the Conservative Caucus.

[01:06:42] It's been doing this amazing work to protect American sovereignty, your organization and constitutional liberties since 1974. Thanks so much, Robert. Always glad to be with you all. Now, one more thing before we go today. One year ago, on September 21st, 2025, more than 100,000 people filled State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona for Charlie Kirk's memorial service.

[01:07:10] I was honored to cover the event from the outside of the stadium during my tenure with Right Side Broadcasting Network. And the sight of such a massive crowd was truly inspiring as I realized that my friend had truly changed the world for the better. He was murdered just 11 days earlier at a university in Utah, taking questions from students. He loved the dialogue. He loved the debate. And one year later, his legacy remains.

[01:07:39] Go do the work he was doing. Sit down with people who disagree with you. View humanity in the image and likeness of God. That's how we are created. And never stop fighting for the truth. Pick up the mic like Charlie did. Now, here's a local news clip from Phoenix showcasing that remarkable worship service from last year. Tens of thousands gathering for today's memorial service for conservative activist Charlie Kirk at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. People want to mourn.

[01:08:09] They want to mourn for Erica and her children. They want to mourn for Charlie. Mourners coming in from around the country to pay their respects. His wife Erica with an emotional tribute to her late husband. People who saw him said that he didn't know what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing. He was going to change the world, and he did. President Donald Trump also honoring his friend, who was gunned down on September 10th during an event at Utah Valley University.

[01:08:38] I know I speak for everyone here today when I say that none of us will ever forget Charlie Kirk. And neither now will history. The vice president and other top administration officials also on hand to remember Kirk's legacy. ABC's Matt Rivers inside State Farm Stadium. I've spoken to a lot of people since we came here hours and hours ago who are feeling very emotional.

[01:09:03] Homeland Security had designated the memorial as a SEER Level 1 event, the highest security designation. We've handled several Super Bowls. We've handled several major concert and sporting events, but nothing to this level. But the good news is we know how to handle big events, and we handle them well. 31-year-old Kirk founded the organization Turning Point USA at the age of 18, rising to become one of the most prominent conservative voices in the country. His wife Erica has been elected to become the new CEO of the organization.

[01:09:32] Jacqueline Lee, ABC News, Phoenix, Arizona. We miss you, Charlie. We thank you. We pray for the Kirk family and the legacy you left behind. I think about you every day, and we will continue the work from here. If this hour was worth your time, go ahead and hit like and subscribe. It really helps us reach more people who care about liberty and the Constitution.

[01:09:54] And be sure to check out our episode from last Tuesday, where Jenny Beth tells the story of how the Save America Act actually got started. So if you're watching on YouTube, you can click through and watch it right now. Once again, the IWillSaveAmerica.com. IWillSaveAmerica.com. It's up there on your screen. You can find 10 ways to help in this election cycle. Now, 43 days away to the ever-crucial 2026 midterms.

[01:10:24] Jim Paff really laying out the argument today on various topics. You're going to have 60-plus new congressmen. That's in the House alone. So we're going to have a very new government come January 3rd of 2027. Where do you stand? Get involved. Become a poll worker, a poll watcher. Donate and get involved in these campaigns so we can save America. Again, IWillSaveAmerica.com for all of those opportunities.

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