South Carolina Senate Runoff & the Fake Poll That Fooled the Press | Pfaff, Connelly

[00:00:01] Tomorrow, in South Carolina, Republican voters pick a United States Senate nominee. One of the two names on the ballot is a House member who told the Senate to stop voting on anything else until they took up the Save America Act. The other is the current senator filling Lindsey Graham's uninspired term, his sister Darlene Graham Norton. She was asked at a debate five days ago about what Taiwan means to American interests and said national security is not her thing.

[00:00:30] Fewer than 400,000 people will likely vote in South Carolina to make this decision tomorrow. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show.

[00:00:59] Let's start in South Carolina because tomorrow is the kind of day I have been telling you about all year. Congressman Ralph Norman is on the ballot. He is the one who said the Senate should hold a talking filibuster on the state of the Senate. The Senate is the Senate, and the Senate, and the Senate is the Senate. The Senate is the Senate, and the Senate is the Senate, and the Senate is the Senate, and the Senate will be the Senate.

[00:01:21] Senator Darlene Graham Norton is also on the ballot. She was appointed to her late brother's Senate seat six weeks ago, and she is endorsed by President Trump, by South Carolina Governor Henry McMaster, and by the Majority Leader John Thune.

[00:01:40] Norman is endorsed by Senator Mike Lee, who wrote a narrower version of the Save America Act, and who has been championing the Save America Act for two and a half years, and also by Senator Rick Scott. Two candidates, one party, and a straight choice about how hard you will fight for a bill your own voters already support.

[00:02:02] Today, we'll be talking to Chad Connolly, a former South Carolina Republican Party chairman, to discuss what South Carolina looks like heading into tomorrow's special primary runoff. Here are a few other stories we're going to discuss and follow today. The Trump administration is saying today is Economic D-Day in Iran. Our team will watch that topic throughout the show and let me know if there's any breaking news.

[00:02:26] Also, a 21-year-old who built a polling company that didn't exist using artificial intelligence. He set up a website and ran two statewide polls. I say that in air quotes because they weren't real. And the political press covered them. One of these fake polls had a Democratic Socialist candidate for governor of Wisconsin ahead by 23 points.

[00:02:54] She lost by half a point. What are the implications of this situation for the media, for the voting public, and for those of us who watch polling? Also, we are going to be talking about the WNBA, the Save America Act, the Treasury Department, and the Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service's move to bar illegal aliens from four refundable tax credits.

[00:03:22] How flawed cameras and data centers are turning the election discussion this year. And the importance of poll watchers and poll workers for election integrity. So let me bring in our panel for the hour. We've got Jim Pfaff, who is the president of the Conservative Caucus. Jim, thanks so much for being on the show. You're becoming a regular guest and you're a longtime friend. Oh, yeah. We've known each other for a lot of years. Thanks for having me, Jenny Beth. I love having you on.

[00:03:49] And then we also have another good friend of mine, Chad Connolly, who is the founder of Faith Wins, and his organization has registered more than 2 million new evangelical voters over the last two election cycles. He also used to be the chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party. So, Chad, welcome to the show. Hey, Jenny Beth. Honored to be with you. Anywhere you're hanging out, I'd like to hang out, too. I appreciate your leadership in the movement. Jim Pfaff, good to see you, brother. Good to see you, my friend.

[00:04:18] Chad, you're too kind. So, thank you both for being on. Chad, let me start with you. You ran the South Carolina Republican Party. Tomorrow is a runoff. It's a special primary runoff in August, which really there aren't very many people paying attention to it. I looked and around 355,000 people voted in the special primary just a couple weeks ago. So, how did the votes act?

[00:04:45] How many votes are actually going to decide this runoff tomorrow? And what do things look like on the ground in South Carolina? Yeah, this is interesting. You know, late August, 100 degrees outside. It's all turnout, right? That's a big deal. So, in the early voting, Jenny Beth, is 104% of the early voting for the primary vote. So, turnout's a little bit higher. I'm still actively involved with the state party, obviously.

[00:05:10] We had modeled a 265,000-person turnout in the primary two weeks ago, and it was a 342,000-person turnout. And so, now we're looking at probably 305,000 to 320,000 coming out total tomorrow, especially since early vote was 104. The tough thing is, it's late August. Nobody's paying attention. Of course, the PACs and the super PACs, the lobbyists are spending a ton of money. I'm with Ralph Norman now.

[00:05:38] We're actually at a pastor meeting in Anderson, South Carolina. In fact, Jenny Beth, he just mentioned your name when he spoke to my pastor group a little bit ago. Oh, well, I'm so glad he mentioned my name. To the audience, please allow me to note that our super PAC, Tea Party Patriot Citizens Fund, which is a 527 super PAC, endorsed Ralph Norman late last week after our polling of supporters in South Carolina told us that, one, they wanted us to endorse, and two, they wanted us to endorse Ralph Norman.

[00:06:05] And for the audience, just a little bit of background, Ralph Norman stood with us when we were with the doctors back in July of 2020 working to get this country reopened. No other elected member of Congress wanted to go stand with these doctors who were pushing so hard to open up the country.

[00:06:26] Now, to be fair, Senator Mike Lee and also Congressman Andy Biggs had previously been doing some help with us, but on that day, it was only Ralph Norman. And he was with us the whole time trying to get the country open. He knew the devastating effect that lockdowns would have on our country. And then on top of that, he's been a huge supporter of the Save America Act. He wants to cut spending in Congress.

[00:06:54] He's part of the House Freedom Caucus. And so it really was a pleasure to be able to endorse him. But with our endorsement of him, we're trying hard not to be rude to Darlene Graham Norton, who President Trump and Leader Thune have endorsed. We understand that it's just a little bit of a difference of opinion there. And we want to be next to somebody who has stood next to us for so long.

[00:07:24] So, Chad, what do you think of the endorsements that you have? You've got you've got President Trump's endorsement. That's got to be huge for for Darlene Graham Norton. And then you've got you have Ralph Norman, who has Turning Point Action. He's got Senator Mike Lee and Rick Scott and and others. Well, they're both friends. And of course, Darlene stood by Lindsey. I've known Lindsay Graham for years and she was always in the background.

[00:07:51] I think people are a little bit surprised when she decided to run, actually, Jenny Beth. But also nobody can argue Ralph's conservative. Honestly, his credentials are impeccable. He has been a solid conservative in every way. Nobody can argue that point. I think what it's going to come down to is turnout. We looked at the early vote, the districts three, four and five, which is basically the upstate north and west, Dork County down to Aiken County, where we did a pastor meeting this morning.

[00:08:19] Those numbers were up in early voting districts, one, two and six. More of the Midlands in the low country were pretty static. The seventh congressional was down 24 percent from early voting. That's where Russell Fry's congressional district is. And of course, he didn't make the runoff. We know that President Trump is the best at this. The thing is, I think if they could have done a lunchtime meeting Friday, they probably could have gotten some of those people out to vote. But I know people who were there to see President Trump who were already supporting Ralph Norman

[00:08:48] and already voted in early voting. This is going to be close. I do think that Ralph's advantage is he ran around the state for nine months running for governor. Darlene's advantage is she's got Lindsay's contacts, 30 years worth of rapport, and connections throughout South Carolina. Lindsay's team is arguably one of the best on Capitol Hill. They know everybody. And so it comes down to President Trump. Do people come out in August for President Trump?

[00:09:14] You and I both know he's brought out a zero out of four, a one out of six voter. I don't think those people come out to vote in a special in August. And I think the edge goes to Ralph. But I'm telling y'all, you would not believe the negative ads that have poured in on Ralph Norman in the last eight or 10 days. And I think from what I can tell from pastors I've talked to from my Sunday school class yesterday, people don't like the negative. We need to win this Senate seat.

[00:09:43] The National Republican Senatorial Committee does not need to spend money in South Carolina no matter what. We got a real problem nationally. So I think it's a toss-up. I think the edge anecdotally from the conservative side that I'm around a lot goes to Ralph right now. But we'll see what Trump's sway is, honestly, in South Carolina. Okay, that's a very good analysis there, Chad. And one thing I would say, it probably is his sway.

[00:10:12] But also I think that sentimentality about Lindsey Graham is going to play into this. And I think that people who are looking beyond the sentimentality about Lindsey Graham and looking to who do they think is going to be the best to represent them for the next six years is playing into this. And it's not that they don't like or love President Trump. They may even like Darlene.

[00:10:39] It's just that they may have a different vision for who they want to represent them. Okay, let me show you a clip of what she said in the debate last week. I'm just going to be honest here. I'm not on national security. I'm not that informed on national security.

[00:10:59] Okay, so look, I understand that what she was saying in that debate, she was saying that she understands that she's not an expert on national security. She was being honest. She was saying that her brother had been in the military and she's always going to support the military. And I actually even appreciate the fact that she was willing to say, look, I don't know and be honest about it.

[00:11:24] Jim, how many times have we had politicians who have just lied to our face and made something up just so that they could answer without having that humility to be honest? What did you think of that particular clip? Listen, I applaud her for doing that. I'm glad. I think that that was the honorable thing to do.

[00:11:45] But when you're talking about what's taking place in the U.S. Senate, like foreign policy is a key aspect of what's happening there. Don't forget, every ambassador, anyone in the president's cabinet or administration who is going to be dealing with foreign policy have to be approved by the Senate.

[00:12:09] You have to have someone who understands because they're going to be voting on it precisely what the implications are when you have these people there. And, yeah, Ralph hasn't served in the Senate, but he's been serving in the House for some time now or at least long enough that whatever he may not have known going in, he definitely does know. The other thing that is really important here is Ralph has shown that he has very good judgment about what's taking place in Washington, D.C.

[00:12:38] You know, he's not a career politician who's only and always served in the U.S. House or really in political office. He's actually been a guy who's done things in his own life and accomplished a whole lot. That kind of judgment combined with his already relatively extensive experience compared to a lot of members of Congress is going to serve him well when he shows up at the time when these critical issues do come up.

[00:13:07] Listen, I know Chad agrees with me. No one thinks ill of Darlene Graham. I don't think that's the issue here. I think the issue is we've got to be ready to go on day one. Ralph knows all the players in the Senate that he can work with, and he's been interacting with them for years now. That really brings a real advantage compared to understanding the treacherous nature of what Washington, D.C. is.

[00:13:33] And he's proven over and over again that he's able to deal with that treachery in a way that makes every MAGA supporter, every Trump supporter, they're going to be proud of what he's able to do because he's going to speak right into everything they care about immediately on day one. Like he's hitting the ground running ready to go, and that is incredibly necessary. So that's why I'm personally endorsing him.

[00:13:58] And by the way, I was there at the beginning of the House Freedom Caucus before it was the House Freedom Caucus. Like, you know this, Jenny Beth, these guys were meeting privately before it ever became a thing. I was the guy who put the meetings together. I was the only staffer sitting in the room. I've seen what it takes and what the challenges are to be in that cadre of people who have been standing for America first before Donald Trump came on the scene. From 2010 on, they were doing it.

[00:14:27] Ralph came in later, obviously, but he fits in that crowd very, very well. I think it's going to be really exciting when Trump supporters see him get into the Senate because he's going to be carrying their message immediately out the gate. And, of course, I'm glad to hear from Chad that the upstate is really turning out now because it's low country mostly where he's going to have some problems, if any.

[00:14:55] But it's still going to be close no matter what. But people in South Carolina, they're ready for a new phase in the Senate. And I think that Ralph's going he's a South Carolinian. I mean, he knows exactly what the people of that state need. And he understands how to take that to Washington, D.C. So let's hope he can pull it out. I agree with you there, Jim, and I do hope he can pull it out. Chad, what are people in South Carolina saying about that debate?

[00:15:24] Well, I was on the front row. You know, that's in my hometown. I've been lobbying to do stuff at that little opera house. I had Duke Gingrich there in 2012 when I was chairman. It's a great venue. And you could hear an audible gasp. It was it was a tough moment. Now, I'll tell you my informal, unscientific polling of pastors around the country, around the state. Well, I've talked over 100 since that. People appreciate her authenticity, to your point, and to Jim's.

[00:15:52] But they're worried a little bit about this, you know, and they do want somebody who's ready. But my answer to them, too, partially has been, how do you replace a Lindsey Graham with over 30 years? I mean, getting Beth, I was at his service in D.C. And the president of the United States sitting there, the vice president, the entire cabinet, the Supreme Court justice, virtually every member of the state, the U.S. Senate, Benjamin Netanyahu, Zelensky, presidents from other countries, from a kid who grew up above a bar and pool hall in central South Carolina.

[00:16:21] He had massive influence. So no matter who was there, they've got big shoes to fill on the foreign policy side. But there's no question that debate clip is making the rounds. And people love her. They love the fact that she was raised by Lindsey. And they love that the whole story is just endearing. I do think that Ralph's conservative credentials are what is really carrying the day right now. They love Trump. I talked to 15 pastors this morning.

[00:16:50] I voted for Trump three times, but they don't think that they're going to listen to him in this case. But I do have it all the way across the board. I've got family members who voted both ways. I'm looking forward to going to vote tomorrow. And I'm going to have, I've got four more meetings with pastors between now and when I'll get to vote tomorrow. And I'll have a pretty good idea. But I really think the conservatives in the state seem to be lining up behind Ralph. And they think, hey, President Trump just isn't here and doesn't get a good read in on what's going on.

[00:17:19] Because I think people are looking for somebody they know, somebody they trust. And they're sick and tired of John Thune saying we can't get the Save America Act passed. I'm hearing that everywhere. They're really tired of Thune's excuses saying I can't get the votes. And this guy this morning said that's his job. Get the votes. You're the majority leader. Go get the votes. Eighty-five percent of the people in America want this. So I think that's kind of pushing maybe even more than all the endorsement that Darlene's been able to line up.

[00:17:50] Yeah, I think that you are exactly right about the Save America Act. People are very, very frustrated about that. And we are going to talk about that in a few minutes. I want two more South Carolina questions for you, Chad, before we go to a break. And I know you have to leave a little bit early. Labor Day is going to be here before we know it.

[00:18:11] So regardless of who wins tomorrow, what do you think actually changes for any campaign, including the one for the Senate in South Carolina, once we get to the day after Labor Day? Well, the Democrats are already salivating. They've got a sharp candidate. She's very articulate. She's crazy, right? She's a loon on pro-trans stuff and pro-abortion up to birth and socialism, communism stuff she's written about and tweeted and put on her Facebook posts and all that they've scrubbed.

[00:18:40] I think they're salivating at just the chance. She's already raised $10 million, Jenny Beth. Now, I don't believe she can beat anybody. I think either one of our candidates will beat her. But the fact that the Democrats see this as an opportunity, it does unnerve me a little bit. They see an opportunity because, goodness gracious, you've got communists out campaigning that way. I never thought we'd be here. We've got the WNBA that can't define what a woman is. I never thought we'd be here. So the left is salivating over opportunities.

[00:19:10] When they see an open seat, they're going for it. That's what concerns me about South Carolina. I believe we'll win. No matter who's nominated tomorrow, I believe we're going to win and keep the state red. But it is concerning when they throw that kind of money in a state like South Carolina. You can't really spend that kind of money. You've got all the TV airspace you can even potentially buy. Yeah, I think that you are exactly right. It is a lot of money.

[00:19:35] And we are facing problems that I don't think any of us ever could have imagined even seven or eight years ago. Yet we are. The WNBA, men can be women, women. It is a mess. I think that we've got this clip we're able to pull up as Senator Chris Van Hollen from yesterday on the Sunday show.

[00:20:00] So we're going to show that really quick because it is about it ties to South Carolina, Chad. Do you think the Democratic Socialists have a place in the Democratic Party, Senator? Yes, they do as part of the debate. And in this upcoming election, candidates can be very clear about where they strongly disagree with the DSA, which is probably on most issues. But they can also talk about their own plans. So, you know, I'm not afraid of debate.

[00:20:29] I think that those in the Democratic Party who are afraid of a healthy debate are missing the point because voters, including Democratic voters, they don't want to simply return to the pre-Trump status quo. They want Democrats who are going to stand for something. And I can strongly disagree with one set of Democrats. But I think that debate is healthy.

[00:20:51] OK, and then a little bit later in that interview, he's asked, would you reject basically would you not accept would you reject an endorsement from the Democratic Socialists if if they tried to endorse him? So here he is. And we don't really agree with them, but we we have to accept them into our party. No, I don't want an endorsement from them. I'm not asking for one, but I wouldn't reject it if I was given an endorsement.

[00:21:19] And he's thinking about running for president. That Democratic primary process starts in South Carolina, Chad. How do you how do you think that this kind of wishy-washiness is going to play with Democratic primary voters in South Carolina? And then if somebody who has a Democratic socialist background becomes a nominee in 2028, how do you think that South Carolina is going to react to that? Well, I don't think it'll play well in South Carolina.

[00:21:48] But let's face it, we've got a Democrat party now that says Iowa and New Hampshire are too white. So we've got to start in South Carolina. That's detrimental to the party. The Democrats are going to hurt from that, Jenny Beth, because the part of the whole process, the presidential preference process is good because it forces candidates to talk about stuff. The Democrats are embracing the most deadly, most lethal political movement in mankind's history.

[00:22:14] When Hassan Taiker goes to a political event wearing a Mao Zedong uniform, I was with three pastors the other day in a small town in South Carolina. And I said, tell me about Mao. They knew he was a communist, but they didn't know that he'd murdered between 80 and 100 million people in his own country because they disagreed with him. And I said, look, I hate making this analogy, but he makes Hitler like a rookie. And that's awful. I don't want to diminish Hitler killed like 11 million, count 6 million Jews. That's awful. That's horrifying. That's terrible.

[00:22:44] But Mao murders 80 to 100 million. In fact, the variance that scholars say is 20 million is twice what Hitler killed. That's who the Democrats are embracing now. They have fallen into the trap of identity politics so far. They can't tell what's up or down or right or wrong. They have no definitions anymore. This may be our saving grace, Jenny Beth. Let them nominate crazy people like this. Forrest Gutt would say crazy is as crazy does. Stupid is as stupid does.

[00:23:14] That's where we are right now. And when they embrace those kind of ideological thinking patterns, that may be our saving grace. I don't have a lot of confidence in the party or the committees in a midterm. We're not good at them. We're terrible when Trump's not on the ballot. I don't see the fundamentals being done. We've got 75 days to go. I've identified 43 congressional races. We'll have a dedicated pastora in 16 different states. We'll be in all those places.

[00:23:38] But it's going to take C3s and C4s, I think, to win the day because I think the party is so devoid of a lot of the things you and I care about. You know, the pro-family initiatives that bring out voters. They don't want to talk about that stuff. They've removed it from the platform. We're in a dangerous time. And while the left has given in to their far fringe left, we've given in to moderates. And we've allowed them to run so much of our party. And this is what I do every day.

[00:24:04] Hey, let's go maximize the Christian vote, not for the party, not for a person, but for policies and principles that line up with biblical worldview. We've got to get back to that and bring this country back to some common sense. Yeah, you're absolutely right there, Chad. We do. And you can't run—elections are about choices. That means there has to be a contrast in the election. You can't be a little bit less Democrat than the Democrats. You've got to have a clear, clear contrast.

[00:24:34] And, Jim, I'm going to come back to you after our break, and we can go into your thoughts on that. Before we go to our break, I want to ask Chad one last question because he's got a run today. And that—and my alarm on my watch was going off to remind me he has to run. You're awesome. Really quickly. I'm sorry. That's okay. Really quickly, I know that you have recruited poll watchers and poll workers through the work you've done at Faith Wins. Would you just give a plug on why that is so important?

[00:25:04] Chad? Yeah, yeah. Listen, people don't trust the process, Jenny Beth. And when we started doing this, we found that the party was willing to sign people up at a rally, and they sign them up and never follow up. It frustrated me so much. And so I told pastors, be looking for this. So we picked random states—Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona. They're very random. And we're recruiting Christians because I believe Christian eyeballs ought to be on the process.

[00:25:29] And the parties and the committees, Jenny Beth, are just willing to sign people up and never follow them up. We don't even put them on our list, Jenny Beth, until we've recruited them, praying them, and slotted them in a key precinct so they can be there working those polls this year just to have Christian eyeballs. And if nobody's doing anything wrong, that's fine. But you've got to have eyeballs on the process, and they need to be based in a biblical foundation, not just a Republican Democrat. They need to love the country and love the Lord, know what they're doing.

[00:25:59] I believe this is a tipping point for the country. We're going to choose chaos. We're going to choose Christ. We're going to choose this mess and lack of common sense. I think we're having a Mordecai moment. Mordecai's poking through the gate at Esther. Who knows you've come to the kingdom for such a time as this? This is time for, I believe, Christians to rise up and say it's not about a party. It's not about a person. It's about us getting out and do the Matthew 5 salt light thing and being the presence of the Lord in everything we're doing. And I'm so proud of you, too. I'm sorry I got to run.

[00:26:27] I got four more pastor meetings in the next 18 hours. And so we're trying to get around because we want Christian voices. And I love y'all, and I appreciate what you're doing. To you, brother. Folks, we're going to take a really quick break, and we'll be back right after this. You are the grassroots of America. You love this country. When you love something, really love it, the news doesn't just inform you.

[00:26:54] It fires you up, and you find yourself asking, how can I make a difference? That is exactly what this show is built to answer. Never, ever, ever, ever give up. We owe it to every American who has ever voted to make America great again. We owe it to our future selves. We owe it to this republic to stand tall, to stay active, and to be smart about how we spend our energy so that we can win. Here on the The Jenny Beth Show, we're going to help you do exactly that.

[00:27:24] Every show, we will break down the news, connect it to first principles, and give you specific, effective ways to take action. Not just outreach, action. And I am so glad you're here on this journey with us to do it. So let's get to it. Welcome to the Jenny Best Show. Welcome back. And for the rest of the show, Jim Pfaff is going to be with me. And I want to go back to one thing we were just talking about, Jim.

[00:27:53] And that is, when I was saying that elections are about choices and there has to be a contrast, what do you think of what Chad Connolly was just saying there about kind of the wishy-washiness we sometimes see from many Republicans who are too moderate in what I was saying? Well, listen, there is a very real battle taking place. I mean, you played that Chris Van Hollen clip.

[00:28:19] And one of the things that I've observed, having spent so much time on Capitol Hill and in and around politics over the last 30 years is you find out that, to be candid, there's a lot of hope for this election in the future in that the Democrats that are in there now feel like they have to embrace these DSA candidates. Because if they didn't, everything's going to fall apart and they're going to lose. I mean, that's what they know. And some of them don't want to do that, but they're doing it anyway.

[00:28:49] But fundamentally, though, what the DSA is promoting, most of it are the types of things that Democrats have been promoting for some time now. It is actually not all that far away from their present platform. And so that's important to know, because when you see the wishy-washy nature of different members of Congress on the Republican side, you recognize that they're just conceding the argument to Democrats and to the DSA types.

[00:29:18] They're not out there pushing and fighting to change what those people are trying to do, nor are they spending time taking a look at the Constitution and the history of our wonderful republic and say, how can we promote that even more? I was thinking about this a whole lot over the weekend because you had the America 250 race in Washington, D.C. and the patriotism around that.

[00:29:48] You had all these drivers from different countries, even many of them, saying how honored they were to be able to be doing a race in Washington, D.C. These are guys who look to my hometown, Indianapolis, as the key thing that they one of the key things that they'd ever want to do as a race driver. And yet also they're looking at the opportunity to be part of what America is, many of them not American citizens.

[00:30:15] Some became American citizens as well. And there they were really excited about what America stands for through Washington, D.C. If Republicans would just tap into that by standing for these principles that are so important that Americans actually say that they want. I mean, we've been talking about the Save America Act for months now, an 80 percent issue that every American would like passed.

[00:30:39] But there's a whole broad array of similar issues that if we would just get it right, lower taxes, reducing government, getting government out of our lives. And these people are unwilling to take any steps in that direction. They're conceding the argument to a radical leftist regime that exists in the Democrat Party that is literally trying to overthrow the Constitution and undermine the American Republic. It would be a simple win if they would just do it.

[00:31:07] Chris Van Hollen just admitted it because he wants to embrace these Democrat socialists. If I disagree with them or what? Well, that's only because they're trying to expand their base in a very evil manner because they don't see America as a great country. So that that's why we've got to keep pressing these Republicans to get balls, to get serious and to actually do what we ask them to do.

[00:31:32] Well, and here's something that's different between what we as the Tea Party movement and as conservatives have done within the Republican Party that's different than what we're seeing inside of the Democratic Socialists of America. They are flat out using the Democratic Party right now. So the Democratic Party sees it as using them as well. But I think what they don't understand is the Democratic Party will be eaten alive by the Democratic Socialists.

[00:32:02] So they should do this very cautiously. We when the Tea Party movement started, maybe not all of us, but most of us were Republican voters.

[00:32:14] We were very frustrated with what we saw from the last year of George W. Bush's presidency with McCain suspending his campaign to go vote the same way that then Senator Barack Obama voted on the TARP bailout bill. And then as soon as President Obama became president, they were voting on on the stimulus package. So it was even more government spending. And we just were tired of it.

[00:32:44] We're like, this is enough. Enough is enough. But we were not a different political party. They weren't up on American history and didn't quite understand the Boston Tea Party and what we were doing with the Boston Tea Party.

[00:33:09] We were saying enough with the spending, enough with the taxing, get the government under control, similar to what happened in the original Tea Party, the Boston Tea Party. But we weren't trying to come in and just say, well, we're a completely different political party. They can't hack it on its own because we can't get enough support from the American people. So we're going to just take over the Republican Party. We got more active in the party. But we weren't.

[00:33:38] I guess I'm just trying to highlight. It was a bit different. And the people who were coming to speak at our events were Republicans or Republican congressmen. They were Republican senators. When we did the 9-12 march on D.C., we had Congressman Tom Price and then state representative or maybe he was a state senator, Tom Graves, who went on to become a congressman. We had Senator Jim DeMint who spoke at that event.

[00:34:04] So they were Republicans who were conservative, who were just saying, we want you to show a bit more contrast and not vote with the Democrats all the time. Well, listen, your John McCain example is a great way to put this in perspective. You, like me, I know, we're sitting there saying, what are you going off the stinking campaign trail? And by the way, why are we bailing out the banks? Like, why do we have to pay for that?

[00:34:27] And what's interesting is, as you rightly point to, John McCain went and voted for a bill he should never have voted for and that should never have passed. These things get worked out in market circumstances. We could have borne up under it. We're still paying the price, by the way, for that bailout right now.

[00:34:49] But then he goes to pretend like John McCain did, that he's doing the business of the American people instead of making the case and the excitement that was building around him. He just threw it away. And what was the result? When he threw away the excitement because he went off on this escapade, we come back and you and I, at about the same time, were so frustrated by the Obama stimulus package,

[00:35:16] which was even more money, just throwing money out there. It bailed out businesses. It bailed out states. That was one of the first key times that the federal government was bailing out states like California that were totally blowing their budgets out. And they just took our money and handed it to other government actors.

[00:35:38] And if John McCain had taken the principled stand, which was to stay up and show who Barack Obama was, we wouldn't have added—I mean, between those two bills, that was almost $2 trillion, about $1.75 trillion of our money unnecessarily spent. When Republicans don't fight, that's what happens. When they do fight, you'll still get some bad outcomes from time to time, but you get a whole lot less of those sorts of things happening.

[00:36:08] We laid the groundwork for what Donald Trump has built on now through years of my efforts in 2009 and 10. And that's all we're asking, is make America a great country by letting Americans figure out what we need to do. Yeah, I think that that's exactly right. And you were just saying we wanted McCain to fight.

[00:36:29] And that's, I think, the biggest reason why President Trump was elected again to this term, because he is a fighter. And we just—we want people who are going to stand up for us and defend us as the American public. And I have a feeling that some of the people in the Democratic primary who are voting for the Democratic Socialists are doing so out of the same thing. They want people on their side to fight for them.

[00:36:56] We all feel the pressure of increasing prices and affordability. What the problem is, is that the solutions that the Democratic Socialists want are not the solutions that are going to solve the affordability crisis. And I don't mean that like we aren't having a hard time with prices. So when I'm saying it like affordability and air quotes, I'm saying it because that's what the left is calling it.

[00:37:24] We have a situation where we had inflation in this country. It started when lockdowns began happening in 2020. And the government bailed out the entire—it went from the banks and the stimulus package to bailing out pretty much every single person in the entire country. When they locked the country down. That we never should have locked the country down. We should not have had those bailouts.

[00:37:52] We—it was not good for our country. I can understand, and I know even at the time that Congress and the president, and with President Trump at that time, were doing the best that they knew how to do in a situation where they weren't sure what was going to happen with COVID. So hindsight is perfect, and I can—I do have a little bit of grace for the uncertainty of the period.

[00:38:19] But then by the time that November rolled around and then December and January and we get President Biden into place, we knew so much more about COVID. It had been almost a year. It had been 10 months by the time that he was inaugurated from when we first shut down the country. We learned so much about that virus, but his solution was to continue locking down,

[00:38:43] to continue pouring money at it, and to continue a socialist program and a socialist response to the crisis at hand instead of the kind of solutions we should have had. That caused inflation. And we have massive inflation where prices have gone up. It's affected everyone. Everything is more expensive. And I think that as we look back again, hindsight is 2020.

[00:39:09] And 2024, what we should have been explaining to people is we're going to address the inflation problem. You have to understand that it is going to take more than 10 or 12 or 18 months to get out of this hole we've dug ourselves in. But here's how we're going to do it. We have to cut taxes. We have to grow the economy and make the economy so big that you can increase your raise, that you can increase your income, and you'll be able to afford these new prices.

[00:39:38] What I think everyone expected was that the government was going to come in, bring prices down, which would have caused deflation, and magically taken us back to 2019 prices. And that just simply isn't possible. The government created these problems, and now the way to solve them is not more government and more government spending

[00:40:02] and more regulations and government grocery stores and price fixes and taxes on the rich, like what we're seeing from the democratic socialists, but it is less government and allow the free markets to actually work. Well, you know, what happened in 2020 is a great example, and it's a small-scale example, of what would take place in this country if Democrat socialists got their way in policy. We shut down businesses.

[00:40:32] What do they want to do? They want to take away private property. They're literally trying to shut down bodegos and other grocery stores in New York City right now and replace them with a government grocery store. But the economy and what happened to us, where we took money in taxes from people, but we didn't allow them to work to make money for an extended period of time,

[00:40:56] and then we doubled down on it, even when we had a better sense of what the virus was all about. We doubled down on that even more, and what did you get? Total unaffordability. We're not in an unaffordability crisis right now, by the way. We have stemmed the tide of the unaffordability crisis that grew during the Biden administration.

[00:41:19] Economic success happens when Americans decide how they're going to spend their money, how they're going to utilize their skills and efforts to create income for themselves. When entrepreneurs are able to make investments into things that employ people, that expand the pie, there is no one pie that we all have to go into and we can't get anything else. No.

[00:41:48] When American ingenuity comes into play, whether it's workers doing what they do, entrepreneurs expanding businesses, when we use our initiative, we get good results every time. There is no government program that can reproduce that. There are only government programs that can stop that effort. And let me just put one other highlight on this, because this video is making the rounds again. There's a great two-minute video of Milton Friedman talking to Phil Dominahue,

[00:42:17] who was a well-known talk show host. Actually, he built the talk show thing even before anyone else did. And he was asking Milton Friedman, you know, when you think about capitalism and the greed that's involved with all this and the unfairness that comes from that, you know, do you ever have a second thought about that? And his response was, well, tell me what system doesn't operate on greed. Are you saying that government systems don't operate on greed?

[00:42:44] Listen, greed is a human nature problem that we can stem and stop if we have self-discipline. But greed can also be thwarted in its efforts when someone who's not as greedy can oppose them in a free market system. But what's happening right now, and this is again, Republicans won't fight against this strongly enough, so it continues to perpetuate itself.

[00:43:09] We have a rise in government greed growing amongst politicians who get, and mostly on the Democrat side, but let's just be honest, there are Republicans who fall into this category too. They get duped into it. There's a government greed that wants to take our money and do things with it that some bureaucrat or some politician in Washington, D.C. thinks is better instead of letting us determine what's better for ourselves.

[00:43:38] The more individuals can make their own decisions, the more you tend to get better outcomes. Of course, we need to propagate, as Chad Cottingly is doing in his work all the time, we need to propagate a moral system in our culture that honors the family, that honors hard work, and that honors fairness and the right of people to keep what they produce and do with it as they see best.

[00:44:08] You have to have the moral foundation for that too. All these things are things the Democrat Party is fighting against at every single turn. And we can win this battle if we're willing to fight to perpetuate something much better. It's there for the taking if we're willing to do it. The Save America Act was at the taking if John Thune was willing to do it. There's so many things like this. We just have to have the will at the polls, conservatives, people who were like us,

[00:44:38] involved with the Tea Party movement when it was founded. Everyone since it's gathered on to the Trump agenda. We love Donald Trump, by the way. We're so grateful for him and everything that he's done. And whatever imperfections you find are the imperfections of humans that every president and every politician is subject to. But he has kept so much of that to the lower part of the agenda and put so much good at the higher part of the agenda.

[00:45:07] We just need to have the will to stand up for that and move it forward. And we can do that. And we do it starting in elections, even when we're all worried about what elections are like right now. That does not mean we are powerless. We are not powerless. Show up and do things and good things will come. There is a lot of reason for hope if we're willing to continue to fight and encourage our elected officials to do the same. You are exactly right about that, Jim.

[00:45:35] And we do, man, President Trump is doing so much. When you were talking about the economy and the ingenuity of the entrepreneurs, I was also thinking about how President Trump is bringing a lot of manufacturing to this country. He's been making deals all around the world, trying to get more countries and companies from foreign countries to come in and invest in America and to build things here in America, which creates jobs for Americans.

[00:46:05] And then those factories also wind up having restaurants and hotels and other businesses around them to support it. So it helps grow the economy. He is truly thinking of what is best for America. And the people who don't understand that and the people who hate him, I think that history is going to show he's one of the most transformational presidents we've ever had in our country.

[00:46:30] And he's doing so with the heart of try towards trying to save our country, not just for the next generation, but for several generations to come. Jim, go ahead real quick, and then we're going to take a short break. Well, I'm just going to say real quickly, and there are threats that are still coming our way that he's fighting against. And we can talk about it if you want. But this Canada thing, really at the core of it, is not just Donald Trump trying to get the right deal with them.

[00:46:58] It's also China continuing to make inroads into our hemisphere, wanting to take us down. We have opponents on the international stage. He's fighting against them. And this is a very necessary time for to have someone like him doing that. That is exactly right. Somebody who won't just seed the ground and be rather milquetoast, but is willing to stand up and fight for America. OK, we're going to take a very quick break.

[00:47:26] And when we come back, Robert McNeely is going to join us for our last section, which is segment, which is going to be a rapid round on topics and news of the day.

[00:48:03] Welcome back to the Jenny Beth Show. We caught Jim Pfaff there stretching a little. And Robert McNeely, thanks for joining for this last rapid round segment. Oh, thanks, Jenny Beth. Hey, Jim. Good to see you. Good to see you, Robert. OK, so we're going to make this a rapid round. I have a whole bunch of topics. We're going to get to as many of them as we can.

[00:48:22] Jim, five days ago, the Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service proposed a rule saying that four refundable tax credits are our federal public benefits under the 1996 Welfare Reform Act, which means they should only be going to citizens and qualified aliens, meaning probably that means permanent legal residents and nobody else.

[00:48:46] So they're saying they're not going to be giving these tax credits to people who've entered the country illegally if this rule goes through. What do you make of this proposed rule? Well, I mean, it's obvious. I mean, this is like a no brainer, right? What we have lost in this country through Democrats hounding these issues for so long now is a loss of understanding of the American citizen, of citizenship in general.

[00:49:15] Victor Davis Hanson wrote a great book on the citizen a while back that everyone should read. But we've forgotten that what happens in the United States through government policy is for the benefit of or should be and only within the scope of American citizens. Anyone else here, whether they're here on a green card legally and definitely if they're here illegally, they don't get to reap the benefits of this country, particularly illegals.

[00:49:45] We allow the green card holders to be here. They should only get the benefits of what that green card allows them to do, which in most cases is to work and hopefully temporarily unless they can figure out a way to become a citizen. Otherwise, none of this should occur to any of them. Any benefits, good or bad or indifferent, that come from the federal government are for citizens only. We need to reassert this idea of citizenship here in the United States.

[00:50:14] I completely agree with that 100%. Okay, Robert, let's look at what happened in Chicago at the WNBA game last night. Right before the break, this was the scene inside Wintrust Arena after Natasha Cloud got that bucket. She wanted her voice heard. All right. So, Cantor, who is a 6'10". My son is 6'5".

[00:50:39] He actually, we've got a photo of him with Cantor and it makes my son look like he's a normal height person. Because he's so tall. Normally, he's the tallest person in the room. But he played, oh, and he's 250 pounds. He played for the NBA for 11 years. And he's saying that he is going to, he's applying for the draft for the WNBA for the 2027 season. And he showed up at the game last night. He wound up getting kicked out.

[00:51:09] So, Robert, explain what was going on there and your take on this. Well, the Chicago Sky have been really out of control on the far left of all these cultural issues that we're seeing not only in the WNBA, but in this trans discussion. So, of course, Enes Cantor Freedom, a great NBA player, a great career there, and someone who literally, literally, legally changed his name because he was so in love with the United States.

[00:51:37] Having been foreign and then come over here and done it all legally, really sharing the glory of the country, using their double standard there at the WNBA, saying that, well, if they believe in trans rights, I'm going to give it another shot here. Come out of retirement and try out for the WNBA for those who have not been following. Of course, they're playing the Indiana Fever, and you have Caitlin Clark and Sophie Cunningham who have been real culture warriors for the right, simply using common sense.

[00:52:06] They've been dragged into this because these lovely ladies have just wanted to compete at the highest level, and you have maniacs on the Chicago Sky who have really fallen succumb to the far left. And it's all playing out in real time and really quite entertaining. And I have to stick with Jim here. I know as an Indiana resident, the Chicago Bears likely coming to Hammond, so I guess I'll be cheering on the fever instead of the sky because they're on the right side of history.

[00:52:36] Yeah, I think that it's really interesting to watch this. What I think is so fascinating is that Cantor is really just shining a light on the left's hypocrisy. And he's forcing them to look in the mirror and face the policies that they have. And he's basically saying, if these are the rules, then you're going to have to play by the rules. And he wants them to change the rules, but if you're not going to change the rules, he's like, okay, then I'll say I'm a woman.

[00:53:05] You say anyone can be a woman. I'll say I'm a woman. And now you've got to apply the rules to someone like me. Someone like me who's 6'10", 250 pounds, has 11 years over a decade playing for the NBA, towers over every one of those women. And, okay, bring it on. So I think that it's good that he's doing it. And I hope that the WNBA will take a step back and go, okay, this isn't going to work.

[00:53:35] We've got to stand up for women. And by women, I mean females. I mean X, Y chromosomes. I mean the people who were female and woman and girl at birth. And they really need to do that. And I hope that they do. I also understand we're dealing with human nature. And human beings don't like to be told they're wrong. They don't like to be proven that they're wrong on a national stage for sure.

[00:54:01] They don't like – I'm sure there's some embarrassment within the WNBA going on right now. And that's difficult because their human nature wants to go, no, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right. And I just pray they can take a step back and look at what he is highlighting and change the rules and make sure they're actually protecting women.

[00:54:22] And he's trying very hard not to mock anyone, not to make fun of anybody, and not to be rude to people who are adults and identify as transgenders at this point. That's not what he's saying. He's just trying to say we've got to protect women's sports. And I think that is a good thing. Okay, Jim, the next topic is for you.

[00:54:46] And you shared a post about President Trump and data centers last week proposing that – where President Trump was saying that they will – that when a data center comes online, they've got to build their own power generation. And if they have extra energy left, they've got to put whatever is left back into the grid for everyone to use.

[00:55:06] And now, in addition to data centers, flock cameras are really – both of these are becoming kind of touch points for this election cycle. What's going on here? Well, the data center thing is really amazing to me. And it's going to be a key issue in a lot of states.

[00:55:27] I've been talking to people in Wisconsin, for example, and Tom Tiffany, who has a chance to win that election, nonetheless is having to be really cautious and careful because there have been so much, frankly, Chinese money, and a lot of other money too, going in to try to make data centers out to be this evil thing. And one of my responses to them is everyone watching this right now, it's going through a data center. It's like we already have done this.

[00:55:56] It's not a problem. I think it's real – so anyway, Republicans are having to be careful with that issue. I know that Vivekara Maswamy also had to come out and try to address this because the polls are just really negative with all that's been going on. But what is very – the big opportunities here are not only the fact that data centers are going to employ a lot of people, not just to build them,

[00:56:20] but constantly for regular maintenance and upkeep in jobs that pay well, that are really require skill and can build skill in people's lives that's transferable to many places in our future and growing technology in this country. But the approach that always should have been there, that frankly, climate alarmists and really meddling politicians in general have made difficult,

[00:56:47] is that we can have an opportunity for these places to generate their own electricity. There are small nuclear power generators, for example, that if we would just allow these data centers to use, can provide power for a long period of time cleanly, cheaply, and definitely have excess power that could benefit everyone. This is a real opportunity there. One of the ways – there used to be a lot of businesses that had their own power plants.

[00:57:16] In fact, telephone companies, the few that still provide line service, they've always generated their own power. But a lot of those went away because EPA regulations shut down those small power generation plants that served industrial facilities and other similar places forever because the owner's restrictions were so great they couldn't afford them.

[00:57:42] I mean, we're paying the price for just in general electric power generation because those restrictions have made it so expensive to do it. But it became impossible for our industrial base to be able to utilize that and keep off the grid in the past, which was a threat in the past. So this is already something that is proven and can be done, and we need to have Donald Trump continue to make it easier for these places to do that.

[00:58:08] I think people would totally embrace them if they could see that benefit. So that's why I reposted that because I think the president has nailed it on the head here. We've got to educate the public that this is not a threat to us in any way. Frankly, it is a tremendous and invaluable benefit for our future. It is an invaluable benefit for our future.

[00:58:32] I had text messages this weekend, one from somebody down near Savannah, Georgia, who is opposing a data center down there. And I think that would be problem what winds up being.

[00:58:47] And this is where the data companies and the power companies both really and even the governments, all three, especially the local governments that are dealing with water, need to figure out how to deal with this. But people don't want this in their backyard. That's kind of the thing that I see is one of the biggest things is they just don't want it in their backyard.

[00:59:12] They don't want to take a piece of land that hasn't been developed, that's been used for farming, and turn it into something that's going to have a lot of noise pollution with it and light pollution and other things that change that very rural landscape into an industrialized landscape. And I can appreciate that. If I lived in those areas and I put myself in their shoes, I can appreciate where they're coming from on that.

[00:59:40] And then you've got the people who are worried about the energy. But, Jim, you just explained how we're able to overcome that. So that is definitely messaging. When it comes to where they're going to go, I do think that the local governments and the private companies who are building these have got to find a way to partner with the people who live there and address some of their concerns and figure out,

[01:00:07] how are we going to make it so that we're not just turning it into another suburban or exurban blob that makes those people who have lived there for a very long time feel like they've lost their landscape and their view. And there's a challenge there because you're dealing with private property rights, and we respect that as well.

[01:00:32] I think it's something that can be overcome, but it is a real issue in this campaign trail, campaign season. And it's a real issue for local governments who aren't listening to their local constituents. Well, listen, there's far more encroachment into rural areas by just regular development around cities.

[01:00:55] I remember my father purchased a condo in Naples, Florida back in the mid-70s that was about a mile outside of town at the time that he purchased it. Today, where that same condo is located and that community still exists to this day, Naples has gone six miles past it. In fact, there's hardly any break between Naples and Marco Island. That's miles and miles and miles of territory.

[01:01:22] Listen, I mean, I totally respect people's concerns, but the not in my backyard thing, every one of these facilities needs to be aware of and be sensitive to. Of course, I mean, people do want their areas to be in good shape, but the reality is there's so much more of that happening with other types of development. And this is actually compared to that a very small footprint. There are ways to figure that out.

[01:01:49] And at the end of the day, most times that development happens in communities of any sort, people find the benefit in the long run. And it feels weird. It feels strange. I mean, I've been alive quite a few years, and there are areas that I've seen changed that I can remember what it used to be.

[01:02:11] And maybe I kind of wish it would have been, but the benefits that come with that often really outweigh the remembrance. We are able to figure these things out. Your point about local communities, local governments thinking through this, I think is really important. But they need to think about it in a way that gets to success, not a way to stop initial expressions of anger, which may or may not be based on reality.

[01:02:42] But to the degree they are, then find a solution and go to the solution. Because I'll tell you this, we are going to have a real problem with AI in this world, and it's going to not benefit us if China gets way out ahead of us. This is actually, I think, a very strategic thing. It's very beneficial to people. I'm utilizing AI in what we do in our processes in this organization.

[01:03:07] It's making us highly efficient, and we're going to be able to get a whole lot more done because of it. But that's just a nonprofit organization. Businesses are benefiting from this too. So find the balance because everyone benefits and grows if we do this the right way. But we must do it. We have to do this. Yeah. One last thing on this topic, and then I'm going to go to our last topic, and then we've got to go. We're running over, so I hope that you've got time to run over, Jim. Sure.

[01:03:38] Elon Musk has said that he wants to put the data centers out in space. And he's talked about how in space it can have solar panels that absorb energy from the sun. And one particular solar panel, I think, could take up and store the energy that either the entire country or the entire world produces. And I don't remember the exact details. Now, I've got to go back and research that. But the point is, it can absorb a lot of energy.

[01:04:08] He can put it in outer space. And then we could be communicating with the data centers in outer space. And when I heard that, which I heard it maybe five months ago, four or five months ago, it's like, oh, my goodness. If he can actually get this done, and he's hoping it can be done in the next two to four years, he's always very optimistic with his timelines.

[01:04:29] But if he actually is able to accomplish this even in the next five to ten years, but on his timeline, two to four years, all these arguments that people are having right now about the data centers here on the planet, they're going to be gone. And they're going to be over.

[01:04:48] And I think that it just shows there's a lot of creative thinking going on with how to solve these problems and how to make sure that America can compete and that the businesses who are supplying these technologies that are going to be the technologies we are using into the next age, whatever that age is.

[01:05:11] We've been through the industrial age and the Internet age, whatever the next age is that we've got some really incredible opportunities before us. Well, there's already testing in that taking place with companies that are putting such things again on a test phase in space. If anyone can figure it out, Elon Musk does. And he will figure it out because he wouldn't. I don't think he'd say it if it were impossible. So that's going to be happening.

[01:05:40] It's going to be a benefit to everybody. But we're not there yet. And in the interim, we're getting great benefits when we're putting these data centers, these terrestrial data centers together. All that's coming in the future, and it's going to be a very bright future. I mean, if we're just willing to embrace it, it's going to be beneficial to everybody. That is exactly right. And the man who can catch a rocket with chopsticks and land it can definitely find a way to do this.

[01:06:08] Okay, the last topic of the day, a 21-year-old named Raheel Prakash built a polling center that did not exist at all. And he did it using artificial intelligence in those data centers we were just talking about. I'm sure it played into it. He put a website up.

[01:06:28] He put up made-up statewide polls in three different states, and the political press ran his numbers acting as if they were completely real. And we look at it. He had one Democratic Socialist in Wisconsin up by 23 points, but she actually lost by only half a point. That is a 23-and-a-half-point error.

[01:06:57] So what does this tell you, Robert, when it comes to looking at modern polling, how the media is reacting to polling? You have been a broadcaster. What should the media be paying attention to before they're broadcasting polls as the absolute truth? And what should all of us be paying attention to with this? For the media specifically, it's responsibility. Dot the I's and cross the T's and make sure you're following what is real.

[01:07:24] Then in addition to that, for the voters, the real poll that only matters is getting out there and voting early, in person, preferably. If you have to mail it in for that reason, do so and get involved. What bothers me so much about this, Jenny Beth, is that it's voter suppression, truly right, left, and center, to have these skewed, ridiculous, and false numbers. And quite frankly, I'm biased to it. We've had him on the show countless times, our dear friend John McLaughlin.

[01:07:52] Unless it's coming from him, I'm really not paying attention at this point because we have seen truly the Dewey-defeats-Truman moments from the Chicago Tribune way back when, in 1948. That was so laughable back then, and really an embarrassment for once, a glorious Republican newspaper. Now, there's no reason to even read the Chicago Tribune at this point, amongst many other publications. But what irritates me most about it is truly the voter suppression that it's attempting to cause.

[01:08:23] Yeah. That is a really good point, the voter suppression. And then, Jim, did you have any thoughts on it as you saw what this person was able to do and the way the media just went wild with the numbers? Well, they did. And there are a lot of good resources to figure out who typical polling firms are. By the way, polling is bad everywhere. Okay, let's just be honest about it. I'm not trying to say that polling is a perfect science.

[01:08:49] But where it is an imperfect science is different than when it's a lie. So there are a lot of ways that every one of these outlets can validate if there's a proper polling firm that's doing regular work where you can get a track record of where they are. But let's be honest. The reason that this poll was put out so broadly isn't because they did homework.

[01:09:17] It's because there was a desired outcome. And this just goes right back to the basic problem we have with media. They're grasping at anything to take down Donald Trump and his agenda, to thwart and stop the conservative movement and conservative ideas, Republican ideals. And because that bias is so deeply inset into most areas of the media, they're going to grab onto anything.

[01:09:45] And we always have to be careful as consumers of media what the motivations is of the outlets we're listening to. And we have to ask the question, just like the Bereans that questioned the Apostle Paul. We got to ask ourselves, when we're looking at this, what are we actually seeing? Is this realistic? And go with that first, because it's so easy to be duped. And media, even though it is biased in the way it is, it is a human endeavor.

[01:10:15] And people are going to make mistakes. The purpose of the media is not to be trusted and to be taken at face value always, conservative or liberal media. You have to take the information and learn how to process it for what it really might be. That takes a little bit of time. But we're American citizens. It's important for us to be as closely aware of what's going on as possible, because we've got a government running wild.

[01:10:44] We've got media running wild. It's up to us to thwart that. And the only way we can is with information. That's why it's great what you guys do. We're trying to get information out through our organization. That's what we do. That's why we exist, to help people understand and to give them a foundation to work from. But we all have that responsibility. We're just, in our two organizations, just trying to help people do it better. That's exactly right, Jim.

[01:11:10] And some questions for the audience to consider when you see a poll. Ask these questions. Who paid for it? Who fielded it? When was it fielded? And how many people did they actually survey? And also, I would say go ahead and add something that John McLaughlin always says to ask. And that is, was it likely voters or just a general audience? Just general Americans?

[01:11:38] Because likely voters is going to be important. And then checking to see, do those likely voters actually make up the American demographic politically? So the country's pretty closely divided. Maybe in the last election cycle, 51% Republican to 49% Democrat. So it should be about that many Republicans versus Democrats in the poll.

[01:12:03] And if it is not, especially if it's much more heavily slanted to the Democratic side, then you've got to pay attention to it. Now, this was a poll for a Democrat primary. So then you would be looking at, was it really Democrat voters? And were they really likely voters? Those are the kind of questions I would recommend to the audience to be paying attention to. That's all that we've got for our guest today. Jim Pfaff, thank you so much for being on.

[01:12:31] And thanks for staying a little bit late and having so much to offer in the conversation. Oh, always, always great to do with y'all. And y'all are friends and very thankful for the work you're doing. And hopefully together we can have a good outcome in November. And definitely we need to pray for that and work for it. That is exactly right. And make sure that you are following the Conservative Caucus and Jim Pfaff on social media.

[01:12:56] And Robert McNeely, thanks so much for joining me today and for answering the questions, especially from the standpoint of a former broadcaster. Yes. 71 days to the election. Let's get to work. Okay. So speaking of work, you heard me ask Chad Connolly at the first half of the show about poll watchers and poll workers. Tomorrow we're going to have a special episode with Jason Snead talking even more about poll watchers and poll workers. Here's the thing.

[01:13:26] And this is a call to action for you for this week. You and you can go to help at the polls dot com help at the polls dot com to sign up. We need people who are willing to be a poll worker or a poll watcher. A poll worker is sometimes called an election official or a judge of elections. These are the people who are at the precinct and they ask for the ID. They process if you've got voter ID in your state. They process your name. They give you a ballot.

[01:13:55] You fill out your ballot and they make sure the ballot goes into the ballot box that your ballot is actually cast. So that is a poll worker. You talk to them and they're working the polls and they're touching the ballot before it's filled out. They give it to you. They're showing you exactly where you put your ballot when you finish with it. That is a poll worker. It's a very important position.

[01:14:19] And if something goes wrong, they are able to make a real difference with stopping problems right there in their tracks and talking. Because they're allowed to talk because they're working the polls. A poll watcher is sometimes called an observer or an election observer. And they are the ones who can watch what is happening but not actually take action. So they can't talk to a voter.

[01:14:45] They can't interact with an election official during live voting. They can watch and if there's a problem, they usually have to leave, go outside of the polling location, pick up the phone, call a hotline, report the problem. And then the hotline will work with the local county election office or the state secretary of state to try to solve the problem as quickly and rapidly as they can in real time. It's kind of the differences in the two.

[01:15:12] The poll watcher or observer is generally a volunteer position. So we encourage you first to be a poll worker and then to be a poll watcher. If you're willing to do this, you can go to helpofthepolls.com and sign up to be either one. When you do that with us, what is going to happen is we're going to kind of coach you through the next steps. And I'll briefly go through those steps here.

[01:15:35] If you're the poll worker, you're going to have to reach out to your local election office and call them and say that that is what you want to do, that you want to be a poll worker. And then ask them how you can apply for that job.

[01:15:51] Now, this is very important that you begin doing this right away because we're hitting deadlines for the ability to get signed up for it and to get trained in time, especially for the poll worker position. So I encourage you to go and do that today. And that's going to be an all-day position. You're probably going to have to be there at 6 o'clock in the morning and you may not be leaving until 8, maybe even 9 p.m. at night when the poll is completely closed.

[01:16:21] And then during early voting, you'd be there before the polling place opens until it closes and completely shuts down during the daytime. So it's a very important position and it has to go through the proper legal training with your local election office nine times out of ten. If you're a poll, pardon me, a poll watcher, you're going to reach out to the political party of your choice. So if you're a Republican, you'll be reaching out to your local county Republican party.

[01:16:50] If you're a Democrat, you'd reach out to your local Democratic party, county party, and tell them you want to be a poll watcher. And then ask them what kind of training they have for you and how they can appoint you. Because generally speaking, a poll watcher, not in every state, but in most states, is appointed by either a campaign or the local county or state party. So you've got to go through them.

[01:17:19] So we'll kind of coach you through how to do that at helpatthepolls.com. Then if you're in Georgia, this Friday, we've got a poll worker training happening with Honest Elections Project. And Jason Sneed is from Honest Elections Project. He'll be talking more about that on tomorrow's show. Congressman Rick McCormick is going to be the keynote speaker. And so if you're in Georgia, I encourage you to attend. It'll be in Fulton County.

[01:17:46] And you can get more details on how to sign up for this by going to helpatthepolls.com. And if it isn't on helpatthepolls.com right now, we'll make sure we get it on there later this afternoon. Okay. And then I want to leave you with a number because it really is the reason why this fight matters so much to people who've been involved in the Tea Party movement for the last 17 and a half years.

[01:18:15] Which is hard to believe it's been that long. Five days ago, our national debt in the United States crossed $40 trillion. It went up $2.88 trillion in one year. And now we're at $40 trillion. It's a number that's very difficult to even picture. Here's what it comes down to. It's almost $300,000 for every household in this country.

[01:18:44] It's actually, to be precise, $295,494 per household. So I'm just rounding that on up to $300,000. That's more than most people's houses are worth. And every family in America owes that much money. It's a matter of the debt being distributed across all households, whether they voted for this debt or not.

[01:19:09] Only the Republicans in Congress are the ones who have been willing to vote for spending cuts to slow this down. And they've done so through the one big beautiful bill, especially working to cut the waste, fraud, and abuse, or the lying, stealing, and cheating from the taxpayer dollars.

[01:19:27] They also voted for tax cuts that will allow us to grow the economy so that we have more economic opportunity in this country and can get our gross domestic product to be bigger than the national debt again, rather than where we are right now, which is that the debt is bigger than our gross domestic product. People are running on the Democratic side saying they want to abolish the Senate. They want to spend more to solve the problems of the day.

[01:19:57] They want to get rid of the Supreme Court. The Democratic Socialists are radical, and they are extreme. And the Democratic mainstream party is embracing them and not rejecting them. They are doing things like what we saw from the interview earlier with Senator Chris Van Hollen. They're saying, well, I don't agree with everything that they say, but they're part of our party, and our party is a really big tent. No, I don't really want their endorsement.

[01:20:27] I'm not seeking their endorsement, but I won't reject it if I were to get their endorsement. They're trying to play both sides, and it just simply won't work. You're either for this massive, radical, expansionist agenda that will have the government take over more and more of our lives, or you're not. It's that simple. You can't be for both. So our work right now for the next 71 days is to save our country from this radical, extreme agenda.

[01:20:57] You may get tired of hearing that every single election matters, and as we get closer to the election, people like me will say this election really does matter. But it's the truth. The elections matter. They sometimes come down to a few hundred or a few thousand votes, and every single one of those votes makes a difference. We need you to help us save our country. We need you to help with your vote and with your volunteer time.

[01:21:26] So make sure that you are signing up to be a poll watcher and a poll worker. Last week, we urged you to get involved in a local campaign. If you've not done that, go get involved in a local campaign, and keep coming back here, because we're going to continue to have additional volunteer opportunities for you as we head into the election cycle. The last thing that I want to say is this.

[01:21:50] If you found this hour and a half, this hour and a half was worth your time, then go ahead and hit like and subscribe. Make sure you're sharing our show with others in your network. That really helps us reach more people who care about liberty and the Constitution and want to get our perspective and a fresh perspective on the news that we're seeing today. And after we finish, I want you to go back and watch the Gen Z Socialist Swing and the Save America Act. It's the last five days, the last show that we did with Jim Pfaff.

[01:22:19] If you're watching on YouTube, you can just click straight through to see it. And just remember this. Only American citizens should decide American elections. Go sign up to work the polls by going to help at thepolls.com. I'm Jenny Beth Martin. This is the The Jenny Beth Show. God bless you, and God bless the United States of America. We'll see you again tomorrow. If you enjoyed today's conversation, go ahead and hit like and subscribe. It really helps us reach more people who care about liberty and the Constitution.

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