Ivermectin in His Pocket: The Hospital Said No, He Went In Anyway | Dr. John Littell

[00:00:00] Joining me today is Dr. John Littell, who has over 30 years as a board-certified family physician. He's going to be talking about the effects of COVID lockdowns and mandates. I'm Jenny Beth Martin, and this is The Jenny Beth Show. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show.

[00:00:30] Dr. John Littell, thank you so much for being with me today. Dr. John Littell, The mayor of coronavirus coupons year midnight for Bueno Seráista and Secretary to

[00:00:55] able to get and make public through Senator Rand Paul really have shown us what Fauci was thinking versus what he was saying. You have been practicing family medicine for over three decades, correct? Yeah, it's kind of, I'm looking at myself in the video, I'm thinking, yeah, I guess it's been over

[00:01:18] three decades, hasn't it? Yeah, 1990. Yeah, yes. And I've been blessed to be a family doctor. I was born to be a family doctor and I'm trying my hardest to convince other medical students that it's the greatest vocation on earth to be a doctor for the entire family. And that's one reason why my passion has been there from the get-go about what happened to my medical profession when Fauci

[00:01:46] is out the helm. We're going to talk about COVID, but why is being a family doctor the best way to do it? Well, you know, I was one of those sick kids, first of all. It's in my, I have a book I've written called The Hidden Truth and it has a little bit of my biography in there. So that's out there. But, you know, I was one of those kids who had the doctor coming to the home as a child, taking care of us. My family doctor, actually, I'll tell you, this is just from a very personal

[00:02:14] note. When my parents went through a divorce and of course that, and one thing I have appreciated my entire life is how much divorce has an impact on the health and wellbeing of children from my own personal experience. So when I became a doctor, I made it clear that one of my objectives was to help children of divorce. But my doctor, a wonderful, actually pediatrician, Dr. Rabin came to the court, took a whole day off to try to help my mom get custody of us kids because she knew how good a

[00:02:43] mom, my mom was and is. And all that to say that she was my hero. My doctor was my hero. And I don't look to be a hero, but I know how important having been through that doctors can be in the lives of their patients. And that's what we all should be, someone that you turn to when there's no one else to turn to. I mean, obviously we turn to God and our church and our,

[00:03:10] you know, our family. But then the doctor, the family doctor really kind of help, it can kind of help keep things in the right direction if he or she really has the heart and the passion and the knowledge to do that. You know, what you're saying is so important. The, what you're describing to me is that special bond between a patient and a doctor. And the way that you're describing it,

[00:03:38] it's not just a patient, but a family unit of patients and a doctor rather than being a number in the insurance charts and just, um, uh, uh, computer protocol or, or model where, where so many doctors today are just typing in answers and into computers and barely even look at the patient, much less taking interest in the entire family. So correct. Thank you for bringing that out. The,

[00:04:07] the sacred bond between the patient and the physician. And, you know, boy, that's a flashback for me because before all of this COVID stuff, literally when, when Obama took, became president is when I first got involved politically. It's around around the same time, I'm guessing tea party started becoming a big deal. And I, I got an invite to go to Washington DC with other doctors and we met in union station. I'll never forget. It was about maybe 25 physicians with about seven or eight

[00:04:34] Republican physician, congressmen, including Bill Cassidy, um, uh, Mike Burgess, Phil, Phil Rowe. You, I can go through the whole name. Tom Price was one of the ring. And then the real ringleader was Pete Sessions, who is still a friend of mine, um, out of Texas. He's not a doctor, but he was the one who's he wanted doctors to come to DC. That changed my life because I finally figured out that

[00:04:59] doctors could have a voice in DC. And we met many times. And when we finally had a smaller, but of all day meeting in Dallas, Texas, I'll never forget this. And, and Bill Cassidy was there, John Fleming out of Louisiana, who's a family doc. And, and, and it was, there was some other wonderful doctors. I won't get into all details. My job, my little piece that I put together was on preserving the

[00:05:23] sacred nature of the patient position relationship in whatever healthcare legislation we were going to draft. The purpose of this group was to help with Donald Trump's healthcare plan, president Trump's healthcare plan, uh, down the road. We knew that way we didn't know we'd have president Trump, but we knew we'd have a new healthcare plan. And why I'm bringing this up is I still have the congressional record somewhere in my stack here that they put that into. And I got a nice signature, a nice

[00:05:49] autograph from all these congressmen thanking me for my input. But I, all I really wanted to do was say, don't ever forget that when a patient comes into the exam room, that is a sacred spot. That is a, that, that cannot be violated by the federal government, by the pharmaceutical industry, by Anthony Fauci, by, by anybody. It is, it's like the confessional in a church. It is just that secret to me, that space. And, um, yes, thank you for bringing that out. I have been so privileged

[00:06:17] to have thousands and thousands of beautiful encounters with patients and their families over these decades. So I don't want anyone to get between me and my patients because if they do, there's a problem. That's right. And that's part of the reason why we had such an issue with Obamacare when it first passed and then with COVID, um, for those of us like you and I, who are standing

[00:06:42] up against the government takeover of healthcare while president Obama was president, watching what, what we saw with that is the, the fear that there would be the government and all of these other entities in the, the physician in, in the exam room with the doctor and the patient. So it really wouldn't be the doctor and the patient. It'd be the doctor and the patient and the government

[00:07:07] regulations and the insurance companies and the, the actuaries and whoever else is making decisions that determine what is the best thing for, for the patient. And we kind of, we tried to explain that to people during, during the Obamacare passage. And we, we did, and we were successful with some,

[00:07:30] but not with everyone during COVID as the lockdowns happened and the one size fits all solution for healthcare kept coming out from on high and it kept changing from day to day. Um, it, it really drove home for me, the point that we were trying to make when we were opposing Obamacare in the first place. And in part of that was, we have to protect that doctor patient relationship. The doctor is going

[00:07:56] to know your preexisting conditions are going to know your allergies are going to know what your heart is like. They're going to know your family history and better be able to find a plan that works best for you. And what works best for me may not be the best thing for, for another person because of whatever my preexisting conditions are versus theirs. So I, I, I just think that that really,

[00:08:23] for me is one of the things that I was like, see, this is what we were warning about when we said, don't let the government take over healthcare. And I still point to it as examples when I'm, I'm standing up like against Democrat socialists today and people who want more and more government, more government is not always a good thing. No. And thank you. You know, we, we could spend a lot of time talking about Obamacare, but you know, I, I'm old enough to remember when there was a huge

[00:08:50] push called something called a personalized healthcare was the term personalized healthcare. You know, what you just said that the doctor would know everything about you, body, mind, and spirit, and you'd have that wonderful, you know, interaction. One of the hospital systems in here, actually I'll say what it's AdventHealth. You know, the event is I was their chief of staff for a long time and they would talk about the need. This is pre COVID mind you, you know, to sit on the bed at the hospital patients and hold their hands and, and, and they were even

[00:09:18] making a push to do it, be first name with the patients, which I, I resisted that. I just wanted to be Dr. Littell, but either way, trying to personalize that relationship, make it a very intimate relationship. You know, wouldn't you know that then fast forward to COVID that same hospital system, you know, I'm at a staff meeting in 2021, the early days of when Delta was just starting to hit a Delta variant, which was the real lethal variant after 2020. And they, they announced

[00:09:46] to the medical staff and the hospitalists, you don't need to even visit your COVID patients on the COVID ward anymore. Just, just give them the, just give them your phone number. We have a special phone you can use and you can zoom in or you can talk to them. And I was like, what has happened to healthcare that the sickest these patients are, they've isolated, they're quarantined. And now the doctors aren't even going to sit, if never, never mind not sitting on their bed, they're not even going in their room, which of course that Jenny Beth, this, this is really, it was so intentional

[00:10:15] when Obamacare rolled it out. And it was even more intentional when COVID happened. When I went up to DC with Pete Sessions and those congressmen, one of, one of the more effective presentations I did, I believe, I brought my sister, my daughter with me, excuse me, she's a medic, was a medical student at the time. And I said, you know, Annie, come up with me. And I said, Pete Sessions, congressman, come on down. We're going to do this new thing that Obamacare is rolling out for every Medicare patient on the planet, which is called an annual wellness visit. And I sat him down there and,

[00:10:44] and I started asking him the questions. Okay. I want you to remember these three things. I want you to spell world backwards. I'm going to do a depression screen. I'm going to code for this. I'm going to code for that. I'm going to code for that. All these different codes. I said, I need a G0438. I need a G2211. I need this. You know, it was a 15 minute just drill on how doctors were being coming trained monkeys and data entry clerks and, and no time to really talk to the patient.

[00:11:11] You had to get through the Medicare annual wellness nonsense. I call it the Obamacare, Medicare nightmare to this day, but I, and I have to apologize to my patients because that to this day is the way that Medicare patients are assigned to me as a doctor. Well, that's set in motion. Well, it was way before that with, even with C, with LBJ and Medicare, we go all the way back to LBJ with Medicare, but doctors focusing and obsessing more on, on this minutia, all these, all the data

[00:11:40] and not enough on the patient. And then with COVID, when they told us specifically to, you know, shut down our offices and not see our patients, there were doctors in this community who, who, who would have their staff run out, swab the noses of patients in their cars and call in something that didn't do them any good anyway, shut their offices down. And of course, what was going on in the hospitals was nothing short of a nightmare. That's where I get my PTSD. And really yesterday was a very emotional day for me, Jenny, but to be honest with you, I mean,

[00:12:09] I was just, I was an army doctor for seven years. Okay. Let me give you one analogy. The closest analogy to what I experienced in COVID during my military career was being assigned or deployed to Guantanamo Bay in 1992 to help take care of the Haitian boat refugees that were being picked up at sea left, right, and center. And then when I first got down, I was flowing down from Jacksonville

[00:12:34] to Guantanamo Bay and they got me on a Coast Guard cutter. And I looked around, there was a sea of humanity, just a sea of humanity. And it was everything. It was malaria. It was measles. And the first thing they do is they say, we got a woman delivering a baby. I get over there, we get her on a stretcher, I deliver a baby, you know, and then we had a, we had an HIV group for, we had everything, but I had to do triage in a way I never had to do it in the army before that.

[00:13:00] And I stayed there for a couple of months in that setting, but that's what it was like going into these hospitals and these emergency rooms. My job was to get people out of there. I had nurses. I had one nurse, Michael, I, to this day is my patient. He thanks me every time he sees me, doc, you saved my life. He was working in the COVID units in the hospital, gets sick with COVID, goes into the emergency room of his own hospital and he's hypoxic and they're going to admit him. He says, he calls me, he said, doc, I don't want to get admitted. I see what they're doing

[00:13:28] with these patients. They're getting one BiPAP first and then the ventilators. I said, Mike, I'm going to get you out of here. I'll put you on ivermectin. I couldn't do it in the hospital. I couldn't, of course. He didn't. And he, I'll get him home. I put him on home oxygen. I got him ivermectin. He turned her corner into this day. He's a big brood of a guy. Beautiful family, little kids. And so, yeah, we, we, he doctors were lockstep. We were told to be lockstep in our mentality. And that was actually a term, the chief, the chief executive officer of

[00:13:56] one hospital who, who did that discipline to me because I wasn't wearing masks walking down the hallway. And he said, Dr. Littell, we need our doctors to be lockstep with us when it comes to this policy. I can imagine he said that. Can you imagine that? But it was, why not say it? Because that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's just absolutely horrible. So as, as COVID happened,

[00:14:20] what, in those first couple of months or first few months, what were you seeing and how were you feeling? And were you in touch with those other doctors who you have been in touch with previously from around the country or, or did you feel isolated? How, how was it at the beginning for you? Yeah. In, well, yes, isolated. Yes. Um, a couple of very, like I said to you before the show, it was a

[00:14:46] God thing, obviously, because I could not in my own power have figured out how to get in touch with these doctors. Um, the, the first, probably the first thing that happened was the medical officer, chief medical officer at the local hospital gave me an article in the very first days. I don't know what prompted him to do it, but the article was written by Chinese physicians and researchers

[00:15:10] about the use of chlorine, chloroquine derivatives in the treatment of, of COVID. And that was my first inkling. He said, I might want to take a look at this. It might come in handy. And then the next thing that happened is that the front page of the newspaper here in Ocala and Marion County, Florida, there's a picture of the 52 year old grocery, grocer owns a grocery store who dies first fatality from COVID and he's front page news. I'm sure every community did something like this. And

[00:15:40] turns out that one of his nurses who was with him the longest, I know from our church and she had, um, cared for him for 12 consecutive hours. And then the next day was developing fever and chills. She went to the hospital trying to get tested for COVID. In those early days, the COVID, they told her the hospital, literally where she'd worked for 20 years, told her, we're not going to test you for

[00:16:06] COVID. Those test kits are only for the patients. We're not going to test you. It was like, there was a limited, we had a limited quantity of tests for COVID. So, but she knew it. She came to me, she on her own had done her own research. And she said, Dr. Littell, I need hydroxychloroquine. That was my first inkling. Okay. On that. Um, the, the fast forward, not even that far down the road,

[00:16:31] maybe a couple of weeks later, I'm seeing, um, boy, you know what, Jenny, I'll never know what got me in touch with Peter McCullough, Robert Malone and Zelenko. I'll never know what made it happen. But all I know is that I, I will know, cause I'm gonna have to do the research. Someone knows how this happened. We're on this kind of a computer. There's 12 of us on the zoom call. I remember commenting to Richard or so, cause Richard was there and he had his,

[00:16:57] he was doing it from his home in Texas and he had, uh, the last supper behind him. And I said, Richard, look behind you. How many, how many apostles? There were 12 apostles. I said, look at this camera. There's 12 of us on this camera. You think that's a coincidence? Anyway, it was, I felt like we were, we were, we were, you know, I don't ever want to make it. I just felt we were given a mission. Um, I felt like Dan Aykroyd, I think he says we're on a mission from God or

[00:17:27] something like that. And when I think in Blues Brothers, right. But it, I felt like we were given this task, uh, to do things and thank, thank God, um, we figured it out to the extent that we could, and we had each other to turn to without each other. We've all agreed. Um, it would have been not good. It would have been not good. So I started, well, I, I'm going to give you a little

[00:17:52] bit of the background of what I did, which is not what I intended to do, but I'm, I'm in this interview cause it's really more about you than me, but I'm going to do this. So I went through the stuff with, um, with Obamacare. I think that was very important. And there's a doctor out of North Carolina, Dr. Claire Gray, who we did a documentary with and we compared, um, Hippocrates versus Plato.

[00:18:19] Are you an H or are you a P? Are you, uh, for the Hippocratic oath or are you for the, the medicine that, that is, is more about the good of society rather than the individual patient. And he, he, he had this beautiful way of describing these two different competing philosophies. And we wound up turning it into a documentary years ago. So that was, I knew that because of

[00:18:46] what I learned from Dr. Claire Gray and we did an entire documentary on it. And then as COVID began to happen before, before, before the person died in Ocala and before there were, were deaths in America, I had been on Steve Bannon's show. He had, had just begun doing his, his, um, war room show. And I was

[00:19:13] on and I was co-hosting with him one day and he, it must've been in January of 2020. So we'd been on for a little bit cause we're dealing with the impeachment of president, president Trump. And then it was co-hosting with him. And when he finished, she said, are you watching this, this virus out of, of China? It's going to be big. And I said, what are you talking about? Yeah, it's going to be big. We are starting war room pandemic tonight or today or tomorrow or something very,

[00:19:41] within just a couple of hours of, of the show I was on with him. There's a virus it's spreading in China. They have shut down all shipping, shut down their entire country. Nothing is moving out of their country right now. And it's going to affect, affect the entire world. Well, before I did this stuff that I do right now, I worked in, um, I program computers and I worked at the Home Depot

[00:20:06] and I worked in the, uh, programming computers for, for things that came across the ocean and container ships. And I knew that it took anywhere from six to eight weeks when something left China before it would ever hit the shore in America. And I was thinking if they just shut down everything and no shipping is moving, we're about to have a recession or some sort of major economic event is

[00:20:31] about to happen. And we're going to see this very soon. And so I started listening to his war room pandemic and tracking the virus and watching it as it went, um, in China and then in Italy and how the world was reacting. And my kids had, um, a mission trip in Honduras in February. And so I was watching it very, very, very closely, kind of like you would watch a weather storm moving across because I was

[00:21:01] trying to figure out, are my kids going to get stuck in Honduras or are there going to be problems with flights? Because I could tell what was coming. And if you weren't listening to Steve Bannon's show or just tracking this very, very closely, you had no, you just were caught off guard by March, but I was prepared. So my kids made it back. They were okay. Ironically, when everything shut down, there were

[00:21:26] missionaries who got trapped in Honduras and I was in touch with Senator Mike Lee as he was helping get them, get them out of Honduras. But, um, then everything shut down and I had kind of been trying to warn people this was about to happen and everyone thought it was crazy. They, they probably still think I'm crazy for other reasons, but then they really thought it was crazy. Okay. So then I was listening

[00:21:53] to Mark Levin and we were trying to do everything to stop the China lockdowns from happening in America. My team and I were, we were like, this is crazy. We're a capitalist country. We are a republic. We are free. We have individual rights. The government is supposed to protect these rights. We should not be reacting the way communist China reacted and the way the fully nationalized, socialized healthcare

[00:22:16] in Italy reacted. We're better than both of those countries. And of course people weren't quite listening, but Mark Levin was talking about it and he read this letter that a doctor wrote. So the letter I, so I reached out to Mark Levin afterwards and I said, who, who wrote that letter? I'd like to get in touch with them. I want to start getting in touch with doctors. And I had reached out to Claire Gray and a few other doctors who I knew it was Simone Gold,

[00:22:44] Dr. Simone Gold. And I, I got connected with her and we started planning and talking and we're on the phone almost every day. We were on the phone every single day for hours on end, trying to figure out how to, to deal with what was coming. And she was teaching me as much as she could about the virus. I wound up getting to know Dr. Zelenko. I never met him personally, like feast to feast, but I did get

[00:23:11] to know him over, over, um, the computer. Dr. Erso, I learned more. I just, I learned so much from all of you doctors. You're such great teachers. And, um, did the white coat event with Simone on the, the steps or in front of the Supreme court, we went viral, got censored, shut down, completely attacked. And we just kept going

[00:23:40] because it was too important not to stop. And so that's, I, I was working with Simone and saying, we need to get a letter to the white house. So she wrote the letter. I set up forms. We had doctors from around the country signing the letters and she was going out onto Facebook groups and other places where doctors were connecting, asking them to sign the letter. And when they signed the letter, then we had their contact info so we could keep communicating with them. And that's part of how

[00:24:10] these networks of doctors grew together. And one day at some point, Dr. McCullough reaches out to me and he says, you need me to sign that letter. I'm one of the most published cardiologists or the most published cardiologists in the world. You really need me on that letter. And it was about hydroxyl chloroquine. And so I said, okay. And I researched him and I'm like, okay, I'm adding your name and got connected with him and set up a Google group with him. And so we wound up with these different

[00:24:39] groups of doctors who were all working together. And you had Pierre Corey and, and the group that he, he created and you guys helped save lives. You, you made such a difference. And I, I'm good at organizing people. And I was so glad to be able to do that, but I think you're right. There was something divine that was going on as we did all of that. It wasn't, we can look back and go, maybe it was by

[00:25:07] chance, but the way that we connected, the way that people responded, the way that we trust, trusted one another to make sure that we were going to do all we could to help America get out of the pandemic of fear. I don't think it would have happened without God. Right. Exactly. And you know, we, we, I, I, I know if I was the one that coined the term that we're a band of brothers and sisters, but it was really the wartime analogies were appropriate. We are fighting a common enemy.

[00:25:35] Our egos were thrown to the side because this is not the time for that. And with doctors, that's kind of hard, hard to do sometimes because you are all type A overachievers. You all have massive credentials and you, you set it all aside. I'm sorry. I'm just, it, that was a big deal. It was, it was big. And it is, you're right. Doctors,

[00:26:01] one of my missions in the military, they put me through training called the Cambridge Mall, George Deming. I was going to be the TQM coordinator for the United States Army Medical Corps. That was my job. How did I stay in the military? And why I bring that up is I've always enjoyed trying to facilitate discussions. And, and, and big part of that is, is being able to make sure everybody gets, as you all know, you know, gets, gets their voice heard. No one person dominates

[00:26:28] the room and you got to solve problems. You got to find and organize and clarify and understand and strategize and, and come up with a plan. And, and, and honestly, early on in those meetings, I ended up becoming the facilitator for the zoom calls. Later on, um, Kat Lindley took the helm for that. And, you know, Dr. Kat, she's a wonderful woman, a very, one of my, my also one of my heroes in medicine. Um, so, and others, uh, others, I wish I could think of all the names. There was another

[00:26:55] wonderful doctor out on the West coast. Uh, what's, what is her name? But there were different people at different times were stepping up. Like the first time I spoke to Senator Johnson was organized by a different group of doctors, you know? So we all had to, to figure out how to come together and save lives. I'd be on the phone with Pierre Corey, especially with my hospital patients to say, what is working for you? He's getting more and more hypoxic. You know, um, the, the, uh,

[00:27:24] the tragedy was, you know, I'd be walking through the halls of the hospital and the respiratory therapist, more than half of them would come up to me and say, Dr. Littell, we agree. These patients are being put on ventilators too quickly or worse than that, Jenny Beth, and this has not been told by many people. You'd have somebody who already had underlying lung disease who got COVID, who came to the emergency room. Oh my goodness. Their oxygen saturation is 85%. Well, guess what? That's their

[00:27:49] normal, but they'd put them on something called BiPAP, which is blowing the air into their face. I was on BiPAP myself for a whole different thing several months ago. And it, it was horrendous, constantly blowing air into your face and into your lungs. And what it was doing with these people with chronic lung disease, cigarette smokers, it was, it was literally popping holes in their lungs right in front of us. They're, oh, they were not getting better on BiPAP. They were getting worse. Their lungs were so brittle and then they ended up on the ventilator and then they were gone.

[00:28:18] So the, the treatment was to get them on ivermectin, low dose of oxygen, get them on vitamin D, all the stuff that we were doing and get them the heck out of the hospital. And the respiratory therapists knew that, but you know, those hospitals, they got paid what, how much for each patient with COVID? I mean, you've heard this. I mean, $20,000 per patient. It did end in on the ventilator even more. It was, it's such a financial

[00:28:41] boondoggle for the hospitals. It was. And then Dr. Littell, you can answer this and you were just kind of talking about it. I will, I may get it backwards, but Dr. Richard Urso taught me that what was happening with people who were on ventilators is he said, um, your, your lungs are, are they soft normally? Or are they hard? They're beautiful. Just like a good brand new sponge. They'll,

[00:29:08] it'll open and inflate. And yeah, I can go with other analogies, but that's a good one. Right. They should be brittle. So, so then you, you put a patient on the, the ventilator and it's able to handle it because it's soft and it's, it's able to, to handle it. Expand and contract, right. With COVID, it, the lungs were becoming hard and brittle and you put them on the ventilator

[00:29:35] and it was causing the kind of things you were just describing where it was causing pops and the ventilator wound up killing people because the lungs, the, the way that the structure of the lungs were reacting to COVID, it, it, it didn't work with the ventilator. It, it, it, the ventilator was causing more harm than good. And it inflammation, the cytokine storm, the microthrombosis, the degree

[00:30:00] of inflammation with COVID was so great, especially with the Delta variant in 2021, that we not only used high dose steroids, again, kudos to Dr. Corey for being one of the first to kind of put that out there. They were not using prednisone anywhere near and blood thinners because the blood clots were everywhere. So the blood thinners, aggressive use of blood, aggressive use of steroids. Again,

[00:30:24] all of this, all of this not advised by the man at the helm, Tony Fauci, none of this was, was in his, he wanted to, you know, he had other thoughts in mind, but, but, but no. And then we not only used prednisone, which is the, the, the highest anti-inflammatory, the strongest we get, but we would throw in something called Singular, which is Montelukas, which works on leukotrienes, the anti-inflammatory. We worked, we used colchicine. We did inhaled budesonide, which is a steroid.

[00:30:53] In other words, we, we did eight antihistamines, Pepsid. I mean, this is, this is where the doctors all were coming together and saying, Hey, with this new variant, oh my goodness, Jenny Beth, when 2021 hit and the Delta variant kicked, we were just starting to get comfortable. We were in a good, a good zone with hydroxychloroquine. And then this beast hits us and, and everybody was scratching their heads and, and everyone's getting on the ventilators and we had to scramble. And so

[00:31:22] we doubled up on ivermectin. We added hydroxychloroquine. We had all these other regimens and, and they were working. They were working. Now, not everywhere were they working, but they sure as heck we're working more than what the hospitals were doing, uh, by 10 or a hundred fold. And that's kind of why we're, you know, saying that, uh, Tony Fauci is a mass murderer. Yes. Because he intentionally withheld this information from the medical profession and the FDA and the hospitals,

[00:31:50] uh, and the insurance companies and the pharmacies that argued with me left and right 24 seven hours and hours on the phone with pharmacists, ridiculing me, yelling at me, not filling my prescriptions. Walgreens, by the way, public enemy number one, I've been saying from day one to this day, Walgreens, I can't say it louder. Public enemy number one was Walgreens. Um, but it's just, we were, it was talking about being isolated. It, you know, thank God we had this zoom group of

[00:32:18] doctors and I, and then, and Labor Day weekend of 2020, I get a phone call from someone saying, you want to get your doctors together somewhere in person. And I said, that has to happen. It has to happen. I'm that kind of guy. I got to be in person with, in touch with people. And so we got a generous offer to have fly down to Puerto Rico. You probably heard about the meeting in San Juan. Um, and it was some people, I won't mention names. Some people wouldn't go because they thought it was

[00:32:45] tainted, uh, by, you know, Bitcoin billionaires and, and this and that. But the reality is that will always go down as I believe the most important in-person meeting throughout the, in, in, throughout the entire era of COVID because it allowed a Pierre Corey and a Ryan Cole and a Richard Urso and a Brian Tyson and, um, and Robert Malone and, um, blanking onto some others.

[00:33:13] We could sit in one room for a whole day and, and, and just get to know each other as persons, you know, in a dinner and then the next day, you know, that's probably the most important thing. Get to know each other personally, right? Make those connections happen so we could learn to develop trust in each other's professional judgment and, and, um, and have some fun in the midst of a difficult, difficult time. Um, so yeah, that was, that was critical, a first step. And

[00:33:41] that's when I, I came up with the concept of the COVID summit, bringing people together, even though everybody said, don't bring people together under one roof, you know, that was like Odin, you know? So a couple of things about, about what you just said first, when let's go back and then we'll, we'll come back to pulling every, everybody together. But when we're talking about all of those medicines, one of the things that I learned back then that I, I just want to reiterate

[00:34:09] for people, it's what you're describing right now. Doctors know how to treat symptoms and you know what drugs work to treat certain symptoms. So if I come in and I have a really bad cold and I'm swollen and my throat is scratchy, but I don't have an infection, you might be giving me, um, some of the medications that you talked about and antihistamine or, or steroids to treat, to treat the symptoms.

[00:34:35] And one of the doctors, it may have been Dr. Gold or it may have been Dr. Urso. I don't remember which one told me, or maybe it was both of them together that the way that they finally, doctors finally figured out the best way to take care of HIV AIDS was to treat all the symptoms and to give a cocktail, a medication that treats all the symptoms. And they told me that's how we're going to survive this,

[00:35:01] this, this, this disease. We are going to keep treating all of the symptoms. And as long as we can keep the, keep treating the symptoms, we're going to help the patients live. And it sounds to me like that's exactly what you're describing. It's, it's a cocktail of medication depending on the symptoms that each patient was presenting. Absolutely. And you know, one of the, we, we put that in our declaration that we came up out of, out of the, out of San Juan, which became the Rome

[00:35:29] declaration because Robert Malone took it to Rome. But one of the biggest tenants, other than first do no harm, which was all over the place, first do no harm was no one size fits all. We, we knew that as we were dealing with patients, we need to, to have that personalized, as we said earlier, a personalized approach, an individualized approach that could not be one protocol for every patient. It was unique to their symptoms. So yes, thank you for mentioning that because,

[00:35:55] you know, people think, and mistakenly, a lot of people throw out ivermectin, I mean the word, and they'll say, oh, you're the ivermectin doctor. I say, no, it really wasn't that easy. Believe me, if it was that easy, well, I wouldn't have lost so much sleep. We had a lot more on our plate and we knew ivermectin worked, but then at one point when we went from alpha to delta, it wasn't working. And then we had to double up the dose and increase the frequency. And so no, it was,

[00:36:23] always a work in progress by comparing notes with literally Jenny, Beth, I mean, you're talking about in our country of 300 million people, there were maybe 20 physicians treating with ivermectin in this entire nation trying to compare notes. Yeah. And it's just, it's, it's craziness. They,

[00:36:49] and a couple of things about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and even prednisone, these are medications that have been around for a very long time. You know, the side effects, the FDA had already approved them. And I learned during all of this, this is when I know I learned from, from Simone, from Dr. Gold is that once the FDA approves a medication and says that it is

[00:37:15] safe to be used, whatever their, their terminology is when they approve it, then they encourage doctors to try it for other, for other things so that they can learn what else the medication can do to help people improve. That is a normal use of, of medication. And yet somehow during COVID, they'd say, oh, hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, it's not approved for COVID. Well, right. But Tylenol

[00:37:44] isn't approved if I hurt my knee and I am in pain, but yet I can take it and it helps take care of the pain. Yes. You know, it's called off-label uses. I mean, one of the most popular sleeping medications right now is trazodone, which was developed for depression and is used for insomnia. And it's very effective. And I can go on and on about the off-label indications. You look at something like

[00:38:10] hydroxychloroquine, which is derived from quinine, which comes from the tree, the Chinchona tree, I believe it's called in South America, which quinine has saved thousands of lives over the years, has, has miraculous properties. Ivermectin, this is, I was so happy to give this talk at one to one of these groups during COVID and do my own research on ivermectin and find out that it was derived from streptomycin, which was used initially to treat tuberculosis. Okay. So streptomyces is a fungus.

[00:38:38] Myces, mycology is a study of fungi. So this fungal plant, essentially this fungus was used in research, streptomyces and found to have efficacy against tuberculosis. And then from that fungal organism, they derived ivermectin. And later on, they derived erythromycin, myces meaning mycology. So, but ivermectin, the reason it's called mectin is because when we talk about, use that term,

[00:39:05] like streptomycin, ivermectin, it means it's, they're using it. The first studied utility for ivermectin will happen to be river blindness on, you know, parasitic organisms in Africa. But that wasn't, it's only, it's, it's, it's actually a macrolide. It's in the same category as erythromycin and the Z-Pak. They're all in, they have, that's why I said it has this effectiveness that's far beyond anything anyone even appreciated. And thankfully, there were

[00:39:34] researchers and the story of that, you may have already talked to Pierre Corey, and there was a doctor in South Florida who was one of the first to be using it here and others, I believe in Japan. So yeah, the story of the use of ivermectin and all of this stuff that we did use to save lives, it's just sort of miraculous how it got even to the, into our hands, even though we were small in

[00:39:57] number, we were able to make an impact. You, you made a huge, huge, tremendous impact. And let's talk about, since we're talking, I want to at some point in the interview, talk about the things that you had to go through personally, but let's keep talking kind of about how you organize, and then

[00:40:20] we can come back to the things you had to endure personally. You, you met with these doctors in Puerto Rico. You came up with the Rome Declaration. And essentially, you wound up with a global COVID summit organization. You started doing those summits around the country and even around the world. And you had a declaration. How many doctors ultimately signed that declaration?

[00:40:49] It was a crazy amount. I believe it was upwards of 10,000 around the world that were able to put their signatures on that document. Thanks, you know, a lot to, to the world travels of Drs. Malone and, and Ryan Cole, others. Yeah. You remember I was taking pair, I was in solo practice here, but these guys were traveling and spreading and, and just like, you know, just like the early apostles, you know, going to India or wherever, you know, they, they went all over and, um,

[00:41:16] and got the word out. It was very significant. I remember the time I handed it to Governor DeSantis the first time I met him. I have a good picture of that and said, this is something that needs to be read. And would you please take the time to do it? And I believe he did because it is, his, his, uh, his efforts during COVID were Herculean here in Florida. We could always talk about him, but yeah, no, it was fantastic to get those doctors together once. And then thereafter, um,

[00:41:41] it wasn't, that was Labor Day weekend of 2020. We had our first summit here just less than two months after that, you know, in, in, in Ocala. And what was crazy about that is I, I really with three weeks and I talked to people here that were with the Republican party and the Tea party, and they were willing to do put, help me. I said, I don't know how to do this, but we've, we've, got the World Equestrian Center reserved and, um, I need, and, and I just put out the invite

[00:42:11] and we had over 800 people that we couldn't believe we had to turn people away. We, we almost got in trouble for too many people, but it was quite a memorable event in our home was to have all those people in our home the night before Robert Malone and Peter Bacala and all these people in our home. Um, and then we turned on, um, uh, Laura Ingram and my daughter took a picture of Laura Ingram interviewing Robert Malone and Robert Malone sitting, sitting next to us watching the interview. It was

[00:42:41] just the greatest photograph, you know? Um, it, it is what a great opportunity that was. He brings some beautiful people together and I believe it was a memorable, uh, event, uh, that got some negative publicity. You know, you may have heard about some of that at the time, but, uh, I learned my lesson about talking to media. You know, I, I was, had never done that before. And, uh, I, after I got a

[00:43:05] call from, um, what is that British publication? Daily Mail? Yeah. Uh, yeah, they, they have an American, uh, the guy out of New York, um, anyway, uh, it might've been, it was the Daily Mail. Thank you. And he interviewed me and talked to me and, and he missed, he missed, he misrepresented my words. And, and, and after that, I never talked when I started getting calls, especially as I'll tell you later about what happened to me in Sarasota. The first thing I

[00:43:32] would do is, was text one of the other doctors who were more media savvy and say, you know, who should I talk to? And who shouldn't I talk to? Cause you know how that goes. Yeah. Well, um, the, and they attack and they, they don't tell the truth and they stretch, they stretch what they're saying. And it, it's the way that the media acts, especially the way that they treated doctors who did not, um, have, were not in lockstep, as you said earlier, they,

[00:44:00] they were just horrible to the doctors who are not in lockstep with everything, the media and Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx were, were saying. Um, did you go to the event in 2022? I think it was in January or February in DC that, um, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Spoke had, and it was really about stopping the mandates. Um,

[00:44:28] did you go to that one? I totally, yeah, I was very involved up to them. And honestly, it was because of my practice. I couldn't get up there. And I was, uh, you know, I know Malone was there and, uh, and Richard, I mean, everybody spoke wonderfully. Um, my, my opportunity to get to know Robert Kennedy, Richard's real brief was at a, uh, they, uh, Kansas, Kansas, what were they now? In Kansas city, there was a great medical freedom group and they still are. And they brought Bobby

[00:44:57] Kennedy in and they asked me to come speak. And it was a day long thing. And, um, that was the second time I had met him. Um, the first time was at a small event with the children's health defense here in Florida, but it was kind of neat to be able to give a talk leading up to his talk. Um, and, um, and visit afterwards with him a bit. And, um, and I'll say this much, and then I won't say more about that probably because we have other things to talk about, but yes, when he became secretary,

[00:45:27] I did get the call about three, four levels of calls. After each call, I had to go back to my wife and say, are you sure you don't want us to move to Washington? And, and, uh, and we both agreed. I, and I said to people who called, I said, I don't want to be a swamp creature. I have a family. I have a great practice. I really believe I can be most effective, continuing to take care of patients and letting people know, as I did during COVID, what is happening? You know, cause I really feel

[00:45:57] like what's happening in DC is they're so far removed. So many of them from, from what's really happening to patients in the trenches that I want to still be that voice and that advocate for my patients. Well, and you have a very unique ability to do that because your practice covers two cities in Florida and you have practicing privileges at six different hospitals. So you were able to see,

[00:46:20] um, what was happening kind of across the board in many different hospitals when, when COVID broke out, right? Yeah. That time of my life, I had more energy. These towns are 80, 80 miles apart. And I literally would get up and drive and spend an afternoon and evening. I stayed with friends of mine in Orlando and then come back the next day. But, uh, yeah, I did for that period of time.

[00:46:48] Now, just so you can clarify this and I know my resume, it says, I still have that literally as of September, we're probably going to have to shut down my, my Orlando area practice, but that's just because I've been there 30 years now. Ocala is our home and patients are coming up here. But yeah, no, I have the ability still, I've kept my hospital privileges up. And as I tell people, I am not, two things I tell people, they say, number one, are you going to retire? I say, uh, I said, I don't

[00:47:16] retire until I know there's a doctor in my community that I, to whom I can entrust the care of my family and my friends. And number two, are you going to start going to the hospitals? I say, no, I'll keep my hospital privileges because God forbid any of my family, friends or patients ends up in a bad situation like what happened to COVID. I need to be able to do as much as humanly possible. Um, and again, that book will someday be written about what really happened in

[00:47:43] those hospitals and what I was able to do and what I was not able to do. And what were, can you discuss any of those things that you were able to do or, or the things that you wish you had been able to do? Well, I'll give you one story. I got a phone call from one of my good friends who's an obstetrician about a young woman who had just delivered her baby by C-section, also a nurse. She had been working on the COVID wards in the neighboring hospital right up until the day of her

[00:48:10] delivery in the COVID unit. I mean, go figure, that's kind of a recipe for disaster. She had the cold symptoms. She was seen by them in their emergency room and sent home with nothing. She wasn't hypoxic at that time. Then, and by the way, this is not, she's not my patient. I don't know her at all at this time. She gets her baby delivered with a C-section. So anesthesia and all that's epidural. And I get a phone call, kind of a frantic call from this doctor saying, John, I had treated him

[00:48:39] with ivermectin. You treated me and my family. By the way, so many doctors, so many doctors, emergency room doctors, neurosurgeons, the whole gamut calling me kind of almost embarrassed to ask for ivermectin because they knew what would happen. They saw what was happening. We had doctors who died. So he says, John, we have this young woman here. She's hypoxic. She does delivered her baby. Can you do anything about it for her? Well, I knew at that time we couldn't get ivermectin in the hospital. They wouldn't let me do it. So I walked over with

[00:49:07] ivermectin in my pocket that I kept for such a purpose. And I walk into the room, Jenny, this is like something that needs to be, and she'll talk. This lady, she was too traumatized to talk for several years, but now she's willing to share her story. She's sitting on the side of her bed. The baby's in the crib next to her. Her husband is totally distraught. She's got perioral cyanosis. She's blue. There's no oxygen meter on her fingers. Nothing to tell me what's

[00:49:34] happening. I said to nurses, get her oxygen level. I don't even need it. I know it's going to be low. So it was about 80%, which normal is, of course, in the nineties and it was going down. I took out of my pocket the three milligram ivermectin, which is all we could get at that time. And I gave her four right away out of my pocket. Here, you take this right away. I said, let's get her out of this ward. We're going to bring her over to where I could take, you know, she couldn't, she had to be on her own. It was so traumatic, but she had to be on her own.

[00:50:02] Baby and dad, you know, we're going to go stay there. And I continued to give her ivermectin for the next day or two, I think close to 48 hours, but I couldn't get it from the pharmacy in the hospital. I had to give her my own stash. And that woman got to go home with her baby in three days. Wow. And it just, it's just beyond reason. And it is so blatantly evil to have denied that,

[00:50:31] you know, I, there were pregnant women at that same time in that same hospital, there were pregnant women on ventilators, just like I saw during H1N1, just like I saw H1N1. And compare that to this, and this is the, this is the tale of two, two people, Mr. Mayor, again, not my patient. You may have heard this story already, but I shared it last night. Mr. Mayor calls me about eight o'clock at night. I knew he was our mayor and that's about all I knew.

[00:50:58] Says Dr. Lettel, I need you to talk to my wife because I really can't talk much. I talked to his wife, said, you know, Dr. Lettel, we're here. The chief of police is here. The fire department, you know, he's the mayor, right? They're saying he has to go to the hospital. He doesn't want to go to the hospital. He knows what they're doing in the hospital. He's heard about you. I said, well, you know, where's his oxygen level? It was mid low eighties. I said, let's put him in the hospital and I'm going to see if I can't get this done. And I got it done.

[00:51:26] You know, like I said last night, the hospital, because he was Mr. Mayor, gave him the full therapeutic dose of ivermectin from their formulary for the next 48 hours. And everything else I asked for, everything else I asked for. And he went home in 48 hours. He was in his early seventies at that time. And what did you know, a week later, he was duck hunting. And he tells that story. He went all over. He went to Boston to a mayor's conference. And he has stories

[00:51:53] to tell about that, by the way, because he was right behind in Boston, one of the big Pfizer reps for the vaccine. So, but he, anyway, that's, I can share that story because he has shared it publicly. And again, isn't that tragic that, that so many were denied and I can go on and on. So many were denied. And all I could do is either try to get him out of the ER or, or do whatever I could do in

[00:52:18] the hospital. And, and, and the last story is I lost my best friend, my entire, my best friend who's, you know, he's my, my son's godfather, my kids, and his, he and his wife, one of the first people I met when I came here in 1997 to Florida, I couldn't be his doctor. He was down in the Orlando area. They gave him remdesivir. They did not give him ivermectin. And I just had to watch him go.

[00:52:44] And here's what they did with this gentleman. We're, we're Catholic. And, and, and I went to see him and I, and he asked me, he was at this point on that BiPAP, which is the most horrendous thing to have to be on when you're awake. He says to me, John, I can't live like this. I need to go on the ventilator. I said, you're not going to get off the ventilator. And he knew it. He kind of knew it. And he asked if he could have a priest come and, and have his, here's, you know, his last confession,

[00:53:09] knowing you're the sick. And I thank God he had a, a Filipino nurse, Catholic also. And I said, he needs a priest. Okay. This is when nobody was allowed to come in at all. I called the priest right down the road. I had his number, thank you. And I, cause you know, go to that church and he comes over another hero, comes over straight into the ward. No one asked, he's got his collar on. No one's going to throw him out of there. Goes into that room, spends 15 minutes with my,

[00:53:35] my best friend. Does everything he needs to do. He took his glove off so he could anoint him. You know, you're supposed to have all the gloves on and leaves the room. And, and, and, and after about 10 days on the ventilator, my best friend dies. But let me tell you what happens after that, Jenny Beth, because the hospital found out what happened. They put a security alert for his family to not allow any of his family members to come because they had broken the rules because the priests have come.

[00:54:05] I mean, that was in Florida. So even in the free state of Florida, these terrible things were happening. Yeah. Well, the hospitals were the hospitals. They were in a war zone. They, they, that's why the doctors can't say this stuff. They, they can't say this stuff. This morning, this morning I'm in the doctor's lounge at the same, a different hospital, same big enterprise here. And, and I said, well, Fauci got his come up. Well, I didn't. I said, I said, what's

[00:54:33] interesting about Fauci yesterday? And this one doctor was trying to defend him. I won't get into the details, but I just said as loud as I could say, but respectfully without yelling. I said, that man's a mass murderer. And if he doesn't get his judgment from the Senate, he will have his judgment rendered one day. And everyone looked up from their computers, you know, probably about 20 other people in the doctor's lounge. And as I walked out to come to my office, I got my cup of coffee.

[00:55:01] The number of people who turned from their computers and looked at me and shook their heads and agreed, silent agreement. You know, nobody else will speak up. This is what we saw during COVID, Jenny Beth. I mean, nobody would speak up for fear of reprisals, for fear of being persecuted. And I, I'm not that guy, you know, you got it. So you got it. You got it. Kind of like a, one of my favorite movies is The Giver. One of my favorite books is The Giver,

[00:55:31] Lois Lowry. And isn't there a great depiction in that book and movie of everything's black and white in the movie. And at one point there's an apple being thrown back and forth and it's, it's gray. And all of a sudden the boy who understands everything, he sees the red apple being thrown. He's the only one who sees the redness of the apple. And, and that to me is indicative of what the doctors were like. We saw the truth about COVID and the truth about the treatment. And

[00:55:59] we, we saw the redness of the apple and the others were just living in this gray zone. You're right about that. And what you were saying about that priest, my, my father is a minister and growing up when the phone rang after 10 PM at night, we, we knew somebody was either dead or dying. And, and my dad would have to get ready and go to the hospital and be with a family. And what I have

[00:56:26] told doctors over the past six years is that I, I, I think that one of the reasons I was able to connect with doctors and to be able to help doctors. And I, I felt, I felt called to, to do that. It's different than what I felt when the tea party movement started. Um, with this, I, I, I, I couldn't,

[00:56:51] I couldn't not be involved. I had to be involved. Something was stirring inside of me, telling me I needed to do all that I could to help doctors, to try to get the country open and, and to use the gifts and talents that I have the best way that I, I could. Um, but as I talked to doctors and they would tell me stories and something that I think is really important right now that it needs to be

[00:57:18] stated, but should be coming across to the audiences. COVID was deadly to, to people. We, you, you have never in the interview that I have had with you and in the conversations over the years, you've never said, Oh, it was just nothing. It was a big deal to some people, to children, children survived and did just fine with it by and large, unless they had an extreme, uh, preexisting condition and, and you

[00:57:46] could survive it, but it wasn't something to just be taken lightly and completely blow off. And, um, um, some of the doctors would tell me either tragic situations that happened, uh, from, from patients with COVID or, or other things because of the lockdown that were causing tragic situations. And I think it was able to understand and absorb that a little bit better than most people, because I had,

[00:58:15] I've been to a lot of funerals and I would, I've told doctors over the years when, when you finish with the patient after a patient dies, it's my family or family like mine or a priest coming in and stepping in with a family from that moment on to help them to the next phase. And my dad much more than me, but it's, it's something that that's why you think God really was involved in helping pull us all

[00:58:44] together. And we had Christians and we had, had Jewish people and, and then around the world, there were people involved, uh, as you said, with the 10,000 doctors who signed the, the declaration, you made a difference. You made a difference in the people's lives right there in your own community. And you made a difference with, with people's lives around the entire world.

[00:59:10] Well, yeah, I can only speak for myself. I would say, I completely agree that so many others made a difference and I could not have made a difference without so many others. I could not have made a difference without the healing power and presence of Christ. I could not have made a difference. I could not have made a difference without being one-on-one with my patients and holding their hands.

[00:59:37] I can remember one minister and his wife, elderly, you know, the Baptist church down the road, they were just getting ready to retire and move on from their ministry. And they got COVID and they were hypoxic in their homes and they didn't want to go to the hospital. And I, um, I went by there. I made a lot of house calls during that time for people like this. And, and I was able to get them oxygen delivered to their home. I have respect to them, but I prayed with them, you know,

[01:00:05] it's interesting to pray with a minister, right? But, you know, I wanted them to know that any healing that happens here is not because of me. And I think that's the one thing, you know, that got me through all of this is knowing that it was more than me. I couldn't have done it myself. Yeah. And you had to go through, we've talked about the way that you treated patients and the

[01:00:33] way you came together with other doctors, but you also suffered personally because you, you used ivermectin and you had, um, people who were trying to prevent you from being able to practice medicine because of that, when all you were trying to do is help save lives. Yeah. And I'm sorry, I get emotional. I mean, this is me, but, uh, excuse me. The, um, the, yeah, I mean, I can go on. I have a package right back here. I won't pull it out,

[01:01:01] but I have a, a, a sheath of papers of things that were mailed to me by institutions threatening me one way or another. American Board of Fairing Medicine was the most, uh, interesting one because they called, they said I was, I, I was unprofessional, uh, because I dared to say that it was a product of genetic engineering. And I've dared to say that, uh, we were going to harm children with the vaccines. And I dared to say a lot of things. And, and at the end of the day,

[01:01:26] none of that obviously was, was unprofessional. Um, but I don't have time to tell you my whole story because it'll be a much longer interview, but I have been through worse than this, uh, Jenny, I've, I've been through worse than this. I, I, I had a, uh, when I got out of the, out of the military, I went to two, two States, excuse me. I went to Montana and I went to Michigan as a pro-life

[01:01:51] Christian physician. And, um, uh, I was, uh, I mean, I was actually in Montana considered to be an impaired provider, um, because I was too zealous. Um, I had a, a, a gentleman from the Montana board of medical examiners come to my, to my little town in Northeastern Montana, where I was working with the National Health Service Corps and say, John, you think you're the savior? John, they did intervention.

[01:02:22] They call me John. They call me Dr. Tau. You, you think you're the savior of this town? Well, get off the cross. We need the wood. Uh, someday the story of that will be old, but the reality was that the people who ran the hospital, the mayor and others were involved in a lot of corruption and they did not like me as a pro, as a pro-life Christian doctor. I took refuge at my brother-in-law's home with my wife and three kids. We stayed in, in two bedrooms in his, in his home in Michigan for two years, created a very

[01:02:51] busy practice in a town Hillsdale, Michigan, which was at that time fraught with corruption. Uh, the, the, the, the, uh, the doctor was performing abortions and I was advising women not to have abortions. They, I was advising many similar ways to just keep their fertility. They didn't allow me to deliver babies and they kicked me off staff for not getting along with other doctors. I made house calls. I didn't get a load of the study, Beth. I made a house call to a man who was, had a pressure

[01:03:20] wound the size of a softball on his butt, couldn't get out of his own bed, lived about, um, I was sharing a call with another doctor. Long story short, I went to his home and after that he asked if I could be his doctor because I had made, I was the first doctor to actually looked at him in like three years and, uh, he couldn't get out of his bed. He was bedridden. And so there was a meeting that doctor created a meeting at Hillsdale Memorial Hospital to discuss Dr. Littell stealing other doctor's

[01:03:49] patients. And they said, Dr. Littell, if you want any patients in this town to see you that belongs to the doctor, you need to get permission from them first to see those patients. This really happened. This was in 1995, 96. And, um, the, uh, the, uh, the hospital administrator was having an affair with the lawyer, the president of Hillsdale college who I met was having an affair with his daughter-in-law. I mean, it was a bizarre time to be in Hillsdale, Michigan. And I was again

[01:04:17] putting the national practitioner data bank. Jenny Beth, I had no place to work in 1997 with wife and three kids. I was blackballed in Montana and Michigan. And it was only because I had started a pro-life family physicians group, uh, while I was in the military called family physicians for life. And I met pro-life physicians, family from around the country remotely. And then in person, and two of those doctors happened to have a practice in Kissimmee, Florida, happened to be incredibly well-known

[01:04:46] Dr. Walt Larimore, who went to work at focus on the family for a while and Dr. John Hartman. And they recruited me to Florida in 97. They wrote letters on my behalf so I could get a license and privileges. So in many ways, you know, Florida was my refuge then. And as it has become for so many since then, because of COVID. So as I say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I know God has a purpose for me and each one of us. And, um, you know, COVID was proof of that.

[01:05:15] But had you not gone through all of those things in Montana and Michigan, you may not have been strong enough to stand up for what is true when COVID happened. And because you stood up for what is true in COVID, you saved even more lives. You saved lives being a pro-life doctor and you save lives helping, helping save your own patients and connecting with all the other doctors who are working to save, save lives during COVID. Yeah. And one of the pleasure, most pleasant surprises

[01:05:44] is if working with these COVID warriors, is that almost to a T, I think to a T, they were all pro-life. Uh, you know, it's like, we all saw the same truth. Uh, you don't unsee the truth. Once you've seen the truth, you know, uh, you, you, you really are eyes, you know, so yes, it made me stronger. I have an amazing wife of 37 years who often says people, she could have been married to, she could not have been married to any other man, but me because of, you know, how much she needed. So now the,

[01:06:12] having said that, when I was going through all that, all those ordeals in Montana and Michigan with the three little ones, you know, under five, um, they, they, that one point she said, John, can't you figure out how to get a job and stay somewhere and not get into trouble? We just, you know, just keep a low profile. But the reality of this medical profession, Jenny Beth, is if you start keeping a low profile, you become like that lukewarm person in the Bible. I mean, just, just spit them out. I mean, you're good for nothing.

[01:06:40] If you stand for something, you stand for nothing. You've heard that. And it's so true more than ever now in the medical profession, especially after COVID. And through all of this, John, God was by your side and he helped give you strength. He of course gave you talents that you're able to use to heal people, but he helped you through those challenges. And I know because I've interacted with you so much in the last several years, you, you're a man of

[01:07:09] strong faith and, and you're living a Christian example for others. But thank you. Well, that's the challenge. Therein lies the challenge. And I, I, I accept that as a challenge. And whenever people say something as kind as that, it just motivates me more to be more. And, and, uh, and I'm, and I'm thankful for this opportunity. I'm thankful, um, each and every moment of my life for not just, you know, for my

[01:07:37] Lord and savior and for my wife and my kids. And there's the friends I made during this COVID time, um, this band of brothers and sisters that we've had. So, um, and I'm an optimist. If you haven't picked that up already, I am an optimist. Cause God, Christ won the battle. And, um, and, uh, I, I, I just, I know that in our country, as a result of the stripping of medical freedoms,

[01:08:04] we saw during COVID, I see in my kids' generation, and maybe you're seeing it as well. They are not tolerating that. They, I don't think they'll ever again tolerate what we went through with COVID. And I, I really think this next generation, whatever it is, Jen, whatever, they're going to get out and be bold and make a difference. Absolutely. And we all have to be bold just like you have been. Thank you, Dr. John Littell. Thank you so much for being on the show today. You're most welcome. Have a blessed day.

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