America's Founding Mothers: The Patriots, Poets, and Spies History Forgot | Shari Rigby

[00:00:14] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin. And today we have a very special guest who is a filmmaker and a producer, Sherry Rigby. And she's a new audio drama coming out about the founders of our country. And it launches on July 2nd. It'll be coming out once a week for eight weeks.

[00:00:37] But what makes this very special is it's about the women who helped found our country. And there's a lot written about the men, but this one is going to be focused on the women. It is a dramatic podcast. And I think you're going to really enjoy getting to know a lot about it and a lot about Sherry. Sherry, thanks so much for joining me today. Thank you, Jenny. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

[00:01:01] So you've got a very exciting podcast and I want to talk about it, but let's talk just a little bit about your background and what led you to create the podcast series. Absolutely. Well, gosh, it's been almost two decades that I've been in faith family television and film. I've worked as an actress with the Kendrick Brothers and the Irwins. I started my career in the faith world doing a movie called October Baby years ago.

[00:01:27] And then went from there into working with the Kendrick's on a movie called Overcomer. And I've just done multiple projects in front of the camera. And probably around 2015 is when I was really starting to take the next step, which was behind the camera. So I started directing and producing and writing at that time.

[00:01:49] I created a show for the L.A. Dream Center for Daystar, 20 episodes, basically a docuseries showing the Dream Center in Los Angeles. I've worked on multiple projects and I've directed three feature films, all faith and family, all geared towards redemption, restoration and purpose, very focused on female content.

[00:02:10] And so when we started to my writing producing partner and I, we started to acquire IP, we really started to ask ourselves, what did we want? What kind of stories did we want to continue to tell? And so they were stories being written by females, led by females. And so one of the projects that we're going to talk about today is Defiant Ones.

[00:02:37] And that was a story about these incredible female heroes that, you know, really did help shape the nation that we call America today. So it's exciting. So that's a little bit of my backstory. And that's, you know, just the entertainment and industry in general has just been, gosh, such an honor to be a part of it. And especially as a woman telling these, you know, powerful stories. That is wonderful. And to go in and want to focus on faith and family.

[00:03:05] I don't know that a lot of people who go to Hollywood want to do that. That seems a little out of the norm. So what led you to to pursue that that angle? Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, I have to say, going back a little ways, I never had anticipated that I was going into entertainment and media in any way, shape or form. I was a teenage mom. And so as I ended up graduating, though, from high school, I was already a statistic.

[00:03:32] And so fighting very hard to, you know, go to college and and make something of myself. And so I ended up going going to school and became a paralegal and worked in corporate law for some time. And then as time went on, I found myself dating a young man I actually went to high school with. And he is the one who really started to talk to me and introduce me to Christ. And so he ended up on our second date, asked me to go to church with him.

[00:04:01] And so that's I ended up in a church at Calvary Chapel and heard the message, the gospel message. And before long, I had given my life to Christ and I could not wait to see what this life was going to look like. And so I ended up married, raising my son. We I wanted a house full of kids. And before long, I had my youngest son, Levi. And then ended up we were asked to start a coffee shop in our church.

[00:04:31] And so my husband and I ended up saying yes. And we started Hebrews. And before long, I had found out after Levi was born, I couldn't have any more children. And so I was I'm that story. I was pouring coffee for a husband and wife who had come in with their two children one morning. And at that point, he asked me if I had ever thought about doing commercials. And at this time, I was living in Phoenix, Arizona.

[00:04:58] And the industry was really starting to boom there. And I couldn't believe it that he was asking me to go. And, you know, if I had ever thought about doing commercials before. And so I ended up deciding that I was going to go. And the next thing I knew, I ended up going there, getting getting the job. And before long, doors just started to open. And so I think where I was, you know, what I would say to you is that God called me to holy ground.

[00:05:27] That's where he started my career. And as time went on, eventually, I believe that he was calling me into Los Angeles. And of course, at first, I think I thought, well, I'm going to go there and be a huge movie star. And before I knew it, the Lord was just cultivating relationships. And I was in a little acting class. And he just started to speak to me. And he said, you're here for my women. And before long, that's exactly what started to happen. I started to call women into my home. And we had a Bible study.

[00:05:56] And I was mentoring and discipling and helping to put women to work. And so, you know, talking about faith and family, I think that being in Hollywood for as long as I was, hopefully that was a place where I was able to impact other women who were coming there to be a part of the entertainment industry. But impacting them in a way that it really was helping them to shape their relationship with Christ first and their faith. And how did that impact their family? And then how did it impact their career?

[00:06:24] And taking all of those different things that they were learning and believing in to then start to cultivate a culture in entertainment and media. And hopefully that's where we continue to go. So we start developing and creating content that is consumable by people that is a family-friendly and faith-orientated content that people can consume and not feel like, you know, they're watching something.

[00:06:51] And, you know, before they know it, they're watching something that they shouldn't be. So I just feel like the Lord put me there for a long time, but I think that he really put me there for his women and to start bringing up his leaders that were going to ultimately be put in different places around the country. That's really good. I, when my kids were home, they're 23 now, it was hard to find good programming to watch. And for a while we watched Hallmark and then Hallmark kind of went off the rails.

[00:07:20] And I was like, well, I can't really watch that very much. We watched a lot of golf. We had my daughters on the golf team, so we just wound up watching a lot of golf on the weekends. Yeah. And Hallmark had good, what I liked about it is that they didn't even, they didn't even kiss on the show. It was just, I didn't have to worry that my kids were going to walk in the room and see something they didn't need to be seeing.

[00:07:45] And I think there's a need for that. For parent moms of young kids who are staying at home, but even moms of middle school and high schoolers, you want to make sure that they're not seeing stuff that you don't want in their mind. And so it's good that you have worked on trying to find a way to fill that. And I think there are a lot of women who, when we were little, we could find shows that would be okay to watch.

[00:08:14] But now the way that TV has changed so much, it's much more difficult. It is. It is. And I, when, you know, as that was all happening in Hollywood for me, I walked away with, I had started a ministry there called The Women in My World. And that ministry has launched so many women into the industry.

[00:08:33] And really what we, what I and the team that I have, we work to cultivate these women, disciple and put them in places so when they do get into a place that they can make decisions and green light things that really are appropriate. And, and I think we're missing that in our culture. We're missing good heartfelt stories that, or whether it's a rom-com or whether it's a drama or whether it's historical pieces that are accurate, you know, we're missing that.

[00:08:59] And so we really believe that it's time to influence that and do it in a way that brings these stories to life and through the ones that we can touch. And for us, it's the women that we get to work with so often. Well, that is pretty amazing. And then you took this spirit and this mission to, to help employ women and applied it to this docu-series about women. Yes. About founders. So how did you decide to do that? How did it come, come across your plate?

[00:09:30] And what made you decide to take this up? Absolutely. Well, my writing producing partner, Claire Uridalee and I, several years ago, we really have focused on how do we put women to work? So how do we disciple, educate, and then actually put them on set working or whether it's in some other form of media.

[00:09:48] And we really wanted to prepare them in a way that when they hit, whether it's set or sitting at, you know, a table making decisions or writing a book or whatever it might be, that they had the skill set to do it and the perseverance and the education, all of those things. And so as we started to continue going down, creating content, whether it was on a feature film or a television series, we were able to see that there was a lack thereof of women in the industry.

[00:10:15] And so how did we step in and create a really incredible environment, not only for the men who were coming into work and championing us and work alongside of us, but for the women who wanted to learn. And so we really just started to do that with every project that we were on.

[00:10:31] And so we looked at how can we take a woman who is what we would consider a key or an expert in her craft, put her in an area and then start to bring in others to come underneath her so that those could come in, step in and learn. And so with every project, that was the, that was kind of the chain response to it. So with the audio series, we've just been so blessed. We had our first series called The Lady in Defiance, which is a Western.

[00:11:01] And what we started to see is we had a lot of different donors that were coming in and donating to this cause. They wanted to disciple educate and they wanted to see people, women being put in these jobs. And so we, next thing we know, we do this, the first series and we put over 30 women to work in all different areas of this particular series. And so the next one with Defiant Ones, that was another story that we had acquired the IP.

[00:11:29] And we thought, what, what an incredible story to be able to tell written by a woman. Then we took that, cultivated and, and turned it into eight episodes written by women and then put all of these different women in the, you know, whether it was sound design or music or acting or producing, script supervisor, all of these different roles.

[00:11:54] And so not only were they learning and growing, but they were creating a project that was historical. It was about the birthing of this nation. And it was about the heroes that we never really get to talk about. And so we were able to do that. And I think we're probably somewhere around 45 at this time with this particular series. And so with each project, we want to be able to continue to grow that piece.

[00:12:22] And that would be educating the women and telling these kinds of stories. So that is pretty, pretty amazing. And you're educating the women who are working on it. And then you're educating women and men and children in the public. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what, tell people about what the Defiant Ones are about. Yeah. So the Defiant Ones is about the women, the bravest women of the Revolutionary War.

[00:12:46] And they are the patriots, poets, prophets, and spies. And they are the women who really do make up the birthing of this nation. And we love to see how these women come together. And they're ready to risk it all for the freedom, their faith, their freedom, and their families for this country. And so the series is based on the letters between Abigail Adams and John Adams.

[00:13:15] And there is a very famous letter that Abigail Adams wrote to John Adams as he goes in with the Continental Congress. And he's working on the Declaration of Independence. And she writes to him, and there's a very key piece of it. And it says, don't forget the ladies. Remember the ladies.

[00:13:34] And she wanted to encourage him and the others to remember that these women were part of the country, that they were the ones who were sacrificing a lot as well. And she was really the first kind of woman to stand up and say, please recognize what we're here to offer. And so that letter is what frames, or I should say the letters between John and Abigail framed this entire series. It is an anthology.

[00:14:02] So we still have her and John telling the stories in the beginning and the closing of each episode. And then each episode is dedicated to a specific defiant one. So Prudence Wright coming, Penelope Barker, Phyllis Wheatley, Deborah Sampson. Gosh, so many incredible women, two kettles together. These women who their stories really have not been told and they're significant in how our nation was shaped.

[00:14:30] So why do you think it is important for us to be paying attention to the founding, both to the women and to the men, and the principles of our country's founding? Absolutely. I think it's so, well, first of all, today, we need to be teaching history. We need to go back in and start to really evaluate why do so many not know about our Declaration of Independence? How do so many not know about the way our government works?

[00:14:59] Same with our historical figures. So we really need to go back and make this an exciting learning experience. And I think that's one of the reasons why Defiant Ones, as an audio drama series, it's immersive. We transport people basically by sound and music back into the 1775, you know, and 76. And we start to take them into an immersive experience. It's not just a book. It's really them being a part of something there. They can almost like smell it and hear it and live it.

[00:15:28] And so I think it's important for us to do that again. We need to go back in and teach history. We need to provide our youth with an understanding of who these incredible men and women were in our country and why they're so important to the freedom. So many, you know, whether it was George Washington or we've got John Hancock and John Adams and so many brilliant men and then the women.

[00:15:53] We need to know why these people's lives were so important to the birthing of our nation. And I think that's one of the reasons why this series is so special. And also I hope that it impacts so many to be inspired, encouraged, that they would be empowered through this series to go, what can I do for my country? What can I do? How can I learn more? How can I invest in understanding who Sybil Ludington was and what she did for this country?

[00:16:22] And could I possibly do that? You know, she was a 16 year old girl that rode to go gather the militia to come in and help to fight for Danbury, you know, and she rode, they say, longer than Paul Revere did. So you think about that and you go, wait a minute, we need to be inspiring these young women and women all over the country to go, wait a minute.

[00:16:44] But this is I think that I have some of these attributes and how can I put them to work not only for God, but for this country and really think about that with every story that we tell. That's really amazing. Which what which defiant one did you surprise you the most?

[00:17:32] She was the one that signed her name with these other women. And, you know, for that time, I mean, you're thinking about treason, you're thinking about going against the crown. But they were boycotting tea and all of the other goods that were coming in. And this was a this was significant at that time. I think the other one, two kettles together, the Native American Oneida woman, she fought alongside in one of the bloodiest battles of the time. She fought alongside of her husband. And I'm going to go three. They're agent 355.

[00:18:02] We need to be talking about the Culper spy ring. We need to talk about these women who risked everything. And they were really called the unseen. People don't know their names. And she was fascinating to me because she was the one that they say technically carried the information from Robert Townsend to George Washington to give him the information about Benedict Arnold and what was getting ready to happen at West Point. And if she didn't make it to the front lines where George Washington was in time, West Point would have fallen.

[00:18:32] And so that would have been devastating. In fact, they say that we would have most likely at that point, the war would have been over. So these women are all incredible. But those were probably the ones that I was most fascinated with. I think that a lot of women knew about Martha Washington and Abigail Adams. We learned that. But delving deeper, we don't – and not just women, but Americans. But we don't really study much, much deeper than that.

[00:19:00] And there were a lot of women who made a difference. And they had everything to risk and everything to gain as well and everything to lose because they wanted – they yearned for that same liberty that the founders were yearning for. Absolutely. I think one of the other ones I found – yeah. Yeah. I think one of the other ones that was so fascinating to me was Prudence Wright.

[00:19:25] She was – she formed the Guardians of Liberty, a group of women that, you know, were formed as a militia to go and, you know, make sure that the couriers for the British didn't get past the bridge. I mean, these women really did heroic things. They risked their lives. They risked their families. I think even with Penelope Barker, you know, when you think about her putting her name to something, she was a socialite. She had a husband who owned businesses and he was in Europe.

[00:19:53] I mean, those things could have been taken away very quickly. And so I think that we need to be more aware of who these women were, who they are, and how they've affected our country today, and how we can be encouraged to step into the gap today and go, what is it that I'm fighting for? How am I fighting? What is the significant impact that I can leave? What kind of legacy? And we need to be informing our kids of those.

[00:20:19] And thinking about George Washington and John Adams and just all the things, Benjamin Franklin, all these incredible founders. And, you know, we should be making it exciting for, you know, a country to learn about these people who had so much impact on what we know today. Well, and that's one of the amazing things that you can do with sound and video. But it's much more difficult to do if you're just giving a speech.

[00:20:49] You can definitely move people with a speech and show ideas and take people to the next level and begin to challenge them. But with audio and video, you can bring the imagination to life and really inspire in a way that just the spoken word or the written word doesn't always do. It's incredible. Of all, I will tell you, Jenny Beth, when you get in the car, we create these in Dolby Atmos. Okay.

[00:21:19] So Dolby Atmos has a whole immersive experience. So you get in the car. They say now 100 million people are listening to podcasts and audios a month. That's massive. And that is supposed to double by the time we get to 2027. So we get in our cars. We built this in an immersive experience. All of a sudden you turn on and not only are you hearing it, you're transported because of the immersive experience. You have a bird over here. You have horses running over here. You have cannons going off behind you.

[00:21:48] You're feeling the impact. And I think that all of a sudden the senses wake up and we start to realize what will happen in this moment when we can start pulling families in, you know, fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, and creating a culture like this, not only within our experience in our cars, but in our classrooms. We can do it in our home stereos. We can do it on anything that we have the speakers at home.

[00:22:15] And all of a sudden now you're having a, you're transported in time. You're experiencing something. You hear it. You're hearing all the sounds of it. The music's inspiring. The words that are spoken by these people. And then you get to have a conversation about it. And that to me is what is so encouraging because I don't think anybody will listen to these and, and walk away and go, okay, I'm done. No, I think they're going to go, wait a minute. I need to know more about that person.

[00:22:44] You know, I want to listen to it again. I've listened to them in my car now, uh, probably four times because I, every time I get in, I hear something different. I learned something different. I, I, I just, I experienced something that is so different than what we've known today. And I can't wait for people to hear this series. I think, I think it's going to be quite incredible.

[00:23:06] And, um, it's, we, we used to have radio that would tell stories like this and then everything was television. But when you listen to talk radio or you listen to a podcast, even if it's just a spoken word and not dramatized, um, you remember differently than when you're just watching a television or just watching the screen.

[00:23:29] I think when I'm, when I'm watching the screen, it can become so passive that I read something and a couple of minutes later, I don't even remember what it was that I read because it's all just, I'm swiping through and it's coming at me so fast. But to have that immersive experience with audio that it wakes up your imagination and makes you see it in your mind's eye. That's, I think it's going to be quite amazing.

[00:23:55] I love, and I love that you just said that too, because really what happens in that moment is all of a sudden we can put the screens down. Yes. Right. Yeah. We can take the kids and instead of putting them in a car now and they're watching a screen or they're in their home or even in a classroom, uh, whether it's a homeschooling or, you know, whatever the education is, all of a sudden they're immersed. They're using their imagination and they're able to keep the screen away from them. Yes. And, and, and I think that is something that is so powerful.

[00:24:24] It's bringing us back into a place to use the imagination. Therefore, that exercise, that muscles being exercised so differently than what we've experienced over the last probably 10 years. Yes. So very excited about that part of it. Uh, and I'm really, really looking forward to hearing from, from students and families how their children and how they started to engage in conversations about these different historical, uh, founders after they listen.

[00:24:54] And as you were creating this, um, project, how much did you know about America's founding before you began? And, and what kind of learning experience did you have as you were creating the project? Gosh, I wish I could say I knew everything. Well, there are volumes and volumes and bookshelves and libraries dedicated to it. So it's okay if you don't know everything. Well, and I think you get rusty too, right? Cause you're not, you're not, you aren't not immersed in it, right?

[00:25:23] You're not thinking about it daily, but I will say, you know, I loved history. That was one of the things that really was a favorite for me, but this brought it to a whole new level. This was a level for me that I could actually really dive in and study the women that we were getting ready to write these stories about. It gave me a better understanding of freedom and value again, as to what they fought for and the, the lives that they were willing to give up their life. They sacrificed a lot.

[00:25:53] But it reminded me that we're living in a culture today where we have so much and yet we know so little about a lot of what's happening today. And so I really felt a need to dive in and understand and grow in my experience. In fact, recently I'd never been to Boston before to experience some of the things that our history, our, you know, founders, right? The Freedom Trail and stuff.

[00:26:18] And so not only was I able to study about each one of these women, but I also went to Boston and experienced and was able to walk it. But I will tell you, after studying these women and even John Adams and general, you know, George Washington and them, I went to Boston and I walked this Freedom Trail and experienced it in a whole different level. In a whole different way, I should say, because all of a sudden that now came to life for me and I wanted to know more. Yes.

[00:26:48] And I also would have loved, and this is my other hope with Defiant Ones is there wasn't as much written and a lot of the things that I wanted to experience even far greater and deeper.

[00:27:04] And so now that I have these stories behind me, I really hope that they can encourage and inspire those that have the ability to make things happen in Boston and around our country that are what we're famous for and elevate those so people want to know more about it and can experience it. Yeah, I think that's pretty amazing.

[00:27:26] And as you study history and then you go back to one of the places where what you have studied happened, I think it gives a much different appreciation of the place that you're visiting. When I've been to Europe a couple of times and every time I go, I'm like cramming, trying to read as much. How do you read a thousand years of history before you go on a trip? But I'm trying to at least read the highlights.

[00:27:55] So when I go and I'm seeing landmarks, I understand more about what I'm seeing. And I'm like, oh, that's pretty stained glass. Like, I understand it more. And the first time I went to Constitution Hall in Philadelphia, we had been studying the Constitution as the Tea Party movement began. We were studying the Constitution and reading more about it and going in there and thinking this is where they signed the Declaration of Independence.

[00:28:25] This is where they labored over in the hot, hot summer of the Constitution and argued and debated and came up with this amazing document. And it helps to have the history as you go to see those places. But it helps to have the history whether you see the places or not. It's just really important. Well, it's important.

[00:28:48] And when you know something about when you can actually tangibly kind of hold something and read it or you can listen to it and experience it, it becomes real to you. You know, it's like when I went to Israel, you know, I've read the Bible many a times and love it. And just, you know, the stories and everything else and thinking about where Jesus walked. Well, when I went to Israel, it came to life to me because I was able to go and experience it in a different way.

[00:29:16] And I think that's something with Defiant Ones in the series that we're telling and thinking about you traveling. You know, that's our hope is that people will get on airplanes. They'll get on trains. They'll get in their cars. This is where I'm going. And these are the people that I want to study. And I want to know more about it. And because you are experiencing it by not just having to consume it, reading it, you'll actually be transported and experience it. All of a sudden, once you get to that place, you'll go, oh, now I'm walking here.

[00:29:46] Now I'm experiencing it in a way that the story that I just heard. And that's what gets really exciting about these types of projects. Yeah, that is very, very special. So as we were heading into the 250th anniversary, in fact, Defiant Ones launches on July 2nd. And that's the day that John Adams intended, thought we would be celebrating as the 4th of July. It wound up being the 4th instead of the 2nd.

[00:30:16] What do you hope that Americans will do as we hit this significant milestone and then we have a year where our country is actually 250 years old? What do you hope they'll take from it and do over the next year? Absolutely. Well, I hope that people will first and foremost celebrate America 250.

[00:30:36] And they'll really start to think about why it is so significant and the lives that we're given for the freedom and our faith and what we have today. To really, really celebrate those lives that gave so much. I hope that's something that's significant to people. I think, number two, I would love to see people get more immersed and experience the country that we live in. It is beautiful. It has so much to offer.

[00:31:06] The history and the culture and just the different pieces that we haven't experienced. I hope they get excited and say, I want to go experience Pennsylvania. I want to go to Boston. I want to go to all of these areas and understand what my forefathers went through. I hope that they, third, I hope that they hear this project and along with America 250 and they go, I want to know more about my country. I want to be actively engaged and understanding about my country.

[00:31:36] I want to know everything I can and I want to be a supporter of it. I want to stand up and know that I'm proud to be an American and where I come from. And I would say, lastly, I hope that that impacts all of them and especially as families to go out there and experience this country that is so beautiful, that we are so, I'll use the word privileged to have, to be in a place and space that we can call ourselves America.

[00:32:05] Americans, that we are part of the United States of America. I hope they as families start to really think about that and think about the tradition of the Fourth of July and it becomes a whole new level of celebration each and every year. I see. That's wonderful. And I hope that happens as well. So, Sherry, as we're wrapping up, tell me, what do you have as your next projects? What's on the horizon for you? Yeah, well, I'm really excited. Some of our next projects, we're going to continue with the immersive storytelling because we do really,

[00:32:34] believe it's a fantastic medium for people to learn in and to grow in and to tell these types of stories. Defiant Ones will continue to go on. We'll tell more stories about women who were part of World War I, World War II. Oh, amazing. We'll go backwards and forwards. We have a Bible series we're also getting ready to tell called The Ultimate Romance about the women that were part of the lineage, first and foremost, of Jesus and then the women of the New Testament after.

[00:33:01] We have another one that is about the women of World War II that were preparing all the documents for the Nuremberg trials. These women are significant and we want to bring them to life. And we want to tell stories that are really impactful for men and women, but to learn more about the history and the culture that we that have that's so rich and and so exciting for all of us to know about. So those are just a few of them. I think that sounds amazing.

[00:33:29] And there's so many other stories that need to be told. And some of them may be retelling a story that people are familiar with, but they need to be refreshed on it. And I'm sure there are going to be a lot of stories that people have not even even even know about and have even considered, especially if you're hitting world as you're hitting World War I and World War II. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:33:51] Well, I was talking to somebody recently and I was talking about they coined them as the document girls for World War II that went over and worked with the Nuremberg trials. And, you know, most of them were young women and so many of them were from the United States. And they were in a room almost knee deep of papers that they were preparing these trials.

[00:34:10] And you had women who were German and Jewish and French, all of these women in one room together, putting together what we all know was a horrific time in our world. And, you know, but nobody knew about how this all came to be. And I just think those are the kind of stories that if we can start to inspire more to know, they'll dig deeper, wanting to know more about our country and about the people who have left their fingerprint on it. I think that's wonderful.

[00:34:40] Well, Sherry, thank you. Well, wait, before I say thank you, let me ask you this. Where can people go to download the show and also to learn more information? Absolutely. So it'll be streaming on The Washington Times. So WashingtonTimes.com. That's where it's going to launch. It'll be on all of the RSS feeds. So we'll be on Spotify and Apple, anywhere your preferred choice is. And we will also have some really special assets to go along with it.

[00:35:07] We have novelettes that'll be on Amazon. These are additional pieces that will tell of the history behind the women. Each woman has her own novelette. So we'll get a little more of the history about her. We have different assets for all different age groups from coloring books to games. So they can also experience it. They can find those on BeautifullyFlawedProductions.com. The Tea Party Patriots are going to be also hosting these elements.

[00:35:33] And so and then, you know, just to get on there and start to see what we're showcasing. But I would say The Washington Times first and foremost. Perfect. Well, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for doing this project. I can't wait to start listening to it. I'm looking forward to it. I am in the car and on planes, and it's going to be perfect. I can't wait to hear it. So thank you very much for joining me. Thank you for having me. If you enjoyed today's conversation, go ahead and hit like and subscribe.

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