Subpoenas Before Naming a Crime & the Senate GOP's Last 52 Days | Paul Teller & Robert McNeily

[00:00:00] Mardi Gras beads, that's how one Democrat in Congress describes the subpoenas she intends to hand out in January. Annalilia Mejia of New Jersey said, we're going to toss out subpoenas like Mardi Gras beads. Another member said, like candy. And Rashida Tlaib posted, come January, he, meaning President Trump, and his corrupt allies will be investigated, lawyer up. Not one of them named an actual crime. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin.

[00:00:43] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. On Monday, the White House Counsel, Will Scharf, wrote to Congressman Robert McNeely, the Democrat, expected to chair the House Oversight Committee. And we put the letter up on your screen right now so you can kind of take a look at it.

[00:01:00] He quoted the new members of Congress back to the Congressman, and he warned that an investigation designed merely to abuse or instill fear may cross the line into blatant criminality. Garcia's answer was that President Trump has something to hide. Congress has the power to investigate. The Attorney General said so just last week, and the Supreme Court has said so for 100 years.

[00:01:25] What Congress does not have the power to investigate is just to expose people and punish them. When a member promises subpoenas before she can tell you what they're for, she's told you that the process is the punishment and the purpose of the subpoenas is to punish. And that's where we start today. Then we'll get into the fight inside the Democratic Party over who runs it.

[00:01:51] Five incoming Democratic Socialists won't commit to Hakeem Jeffries for speaker. And Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says she's impeaching President Trump. She says impeaching President Trump is on the table. On our side, the grassroots are furious with Senator with the Senate Republican conference over the lack of passing the SAVE Act, which is, of course, the election integrity bill and the fact that they just reelected Thune to be their leader.

[00:02:21] We have 52 days left before the new Congress is sworn in. We'll also go to Mississippi, where Senator Cindy Hyde Smith conceded yesterday and talk about what this election should teach the conservative movement. And the Democratic Socialists of America just opened the process to endorse a candidate for president in 2028. Paul Teller is with me. Paul served in President Trump's first White House and spent years working on Capitol Hill.

[00:02:49] So he knows how investigations and leadership fights work from the inside. And my co-host, Robert McNeely, is here. Robert filled in for me yesterday on Veterans Day, and he's back with us again today. Thank you both so much for joining me. And, Robert, thanks for filling in for me yesterday while I was in meetings in D.C. Well, I hope, Jenny Beth, you had time to go to any of those great Veterans Day celebrations, seeing so many of our friends there with an amazing cabinet. There's so much to be hopeful for, even though we're going through the storm right now with the DSA.

[00:03:18] Yes. Unfortunately, I was not able to make any of those celebrations. I but I watched them on television and they really were quite amazing. And, Paul, thank you so much for joining me again today, my friend. Yeah, always good to be back with you, my friend. Appreciate you. So, Paul, let's start with this letter from the White House counsel. They told Congressman Robert Garcia that his investigation may cross the line into criminality. Was that the right message to send two months before the Democrats even take the gavel?

[00:03:48] Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. The right to push back, obviously. I mean, the White House is right to push back. And the Dems are just doing what what's her name? Letitia James hit in New York City, right? Yes. She ran an election on prosecuting Donald Trump before she was even like in the power to prosecute Donald Trump. It's just not not how we do it in America. Right. It's very Soviet kind of tactics. And I guess maybe we shouldn't be too shocked that they're proceeding down this road.

[00:04:14] But maybe it is still unbelievable that they're saying it and putting it in writing instead of just like kind of doing it when they get to it. No, they're telling us right out. Yeah, we're going to like you said before, they're going to have subpoenas before they even have charges. They're going to have crimes. They're going to. But we're just going to subpoena. We'll just we'll see what we find. It's just really terrible. And honestly, I don't know that the average American thinks that that's OK. Right. I mean, even the ones who just voted Democrat, maybe have problems with President Trump about this or that.

[00:04:41] I don't think they want, you know, members of different branches of government slinging mud at themselves at each other with absolutely no basis, no justification just for the sake of slinging mud instead of solving the problems of real Americans. Yeah, well, they ran on affordability. They bragged about how they got so many social media hits all about affordability. And the first thing that they're talking about isn't anything to deal with inflation.

[00:05:09] It is all about subpoenas, lawyer up. We want to punish the people and make people afraid to work in this administration and wish they never had that. But that is not that's not focusing on what Americans are concerned about. Yeah, no, great point. And that's a great point. We should emphasize is that some of what they're doing is just trying to instill fear in people who maybe even aren't themselves the target.

[00:05:32] What they might be if they work for this administration or if they don't quit, if they're currently working for the administration, it's all threats. It's mafia tactics, Soviet tactics, you know, all that stuff. Yeah, really terrible. And like you said, not actually addressing affordability, which, of course, we know they kind of can't. Right. The Democrats solutions go in the opposite direction. Right. High taxes, high regulation, less American energy. All that goes against affordability. So they're trying to figure out something else to do.

[00:06:00] Yeah, it it all goes against affordability. And they're so angry and so filled with hatred for President Trump that this is we have to expect it. This is what they're going to do. And this is an overflow and outpouring of the hatred that fills them. Robert, the attorney general said Congress has oversight authority and it always has. It always will. Is the administration saying two different things?

[00:06:26] You've got oversight authority, but you might be crossing the line into criminality. Or is it all part of the same thing? Oh, well, I think, Jenny Beth, that the attorney general and Will Scharf are hitting it right on the head when they talk about the criminality, because we have a basis for this. There is precedent with what then Congressman Adam Schiff had done in the past with all of the Russia, Russia, Russiagate and the lawfare. We've seen these criminality in these investigations. We've seen where it's all gone wrong.

[00:06:54] DePaul's point earlier with Tish James up in New York and literally running to be the chief law enforcement officer in the Empire State, but instead making her entire campaign on a get Trump mantra. We even have Juliana Stratton, the newly elected senator, lieutenant governor from Illinois, who literally said F Trump. I mean, the Trump derangement syndrome is out of control with these far left DSA candidates.

[00:07:19] And, you know, now I don't even want to say a difference between Democrat and DSA. It's all in the same. These are communists coming into office. The yes, they are. It's Marxists coming into office. And I know what it looks like when the government decides that you were one of its enemies. The Tea Party patriots were were one of the group. Tea Party patriots was one of the groups the IRS targeted under the Obama administration.

[00:07:44] I had to go before the January 6th committee. My name was on some of the documents that have been released from from Congress and the Biden administration and questioning things about me. So I know what it's like. I'm not under the same targeting right now as the people inside the administration. But I know what this feels like. And before I ask my my next question, I want to give you both a little bit of context about this, quote unquote, investigation.

[00:08:14] In 1957, Chief Justice Earl Warren wrote that there is no congressional power to expose for the sake of exposure. In 2020, the Supreme Court reaffirmed that principle, holding that congressional subpoenas for a president's personal records must serve a valid legislative purpose and are subject to careful judicial scrutiny that accounts for separation of powers concerns implicated by such subpoenas.

[00:08:42] In other words, Congress's investigative authority is broad but limited. Investigations must further a legitimate congressional task and cannot simply invade individuals privacy without legislative justification. Paul, you spent years on Capitol Hill.

[00:09:01] What separates a legitimate investigation from a fishing expedition and also a legitimate investigation from just pure intimidation, as we were talking about a few minutes ago? Oh, exactly right. Let's face it. One of the big ways you can tell is if they channel it beforehand like we've been talking about. Right. It's like you know that there can't be a legitimate legislative reason if they're basically just out there saying a lawyer up or coming after you.

[00:09:27] Right. I mean, that's that's a big thing. But I think let's face it. Obviously, if there's something that goes to the execution of the law. Right. We all know this from government class for many years ago. Congress writes the law. President signs, you know, signs bills and sends things into law. And then the executive branch actually puts those laws into practice and forces them, executes them, as the word implies. And so if Congress says, wait a minute, you know, there's some laws on the books that we don't think you're executing.

[00:09:55] We think you're ignoring them or something like that. Perfectly legit. Right. That's that's a great reason, you know, or hey, we you know, we want you to do this program. And instead, you're doing that program. Tell us why. And that kind of thing. Absolutely. A hundred percent legit. And frankly, if they want to do that, it'd be hard for anyone in the White House to say you shouldn't do that. Right. Because, again, that's legitimate. Right. That's just the two branches, a little friction as the founders design.

[00:10:19] But right. When it's personal, when it goes after someone individually, when you're telegraphing it in advance, when you're, you know, making just kind of threats on social media, that's when you should, you know, put your head, hand your head, scratch it and say, wait a minute. This doesn't probably have a legitimate legislative intent here. Yesterday, Speaker Mike Johnson was asked about the letter. Let's take a look at what he said.

[00:10:43] We've got to watch it very carefully. A lot of the threats that are being made to me give the appearance of impropriety, that they may be crossing the line. I don't know. We can't evaluate that yet. But lawfare is an abuse of the system. And if you take them at their words right now, they're going to be abusing the system. It must be used appropriately. And Congress has a solemn, very important responsibility that it should not be abused for partisan political purposes. And that's what we're concerned about.

[00:11:14] Robert, the Speaker says Republicans use the subpoena power carefully as they've had it for the last two years. And I guess really four years because they had it under the Biden administration as well. Democrats will say it's exactly the they're doing. They're going to do the exact same thing. How does anybody tell the difference in January between legitimate power versus the fishing expedition or the intimidation techniques?

[00:11:41] Well, to make a fall football analogy, I think Republicans really running for those first downs and very successful on the House side. But Democrats throwing those Hail Marys to see what will stick to the wall, especially against this president and this cabinet. That's why it's so important for our viewers and for those to share the good news of the Federalist Papers.

[00:12:01] James Madison's legal arguments where the Federalist and the Anti-Federalists actually came together on this very issue of maljurisdiction and the idea that can you remove someone from said office due to simply disagreeing with how they're executing their performance duties, especially when it comes to Article 2 in our three branch system.

[00:12:24] They decided that impeachment would be high crimes and misdemeanors, actually breaking the law. So if you look at the history of our federal impeachments and what's taken place there, they've been mostly political arguments. I think the only legs, especially as of recently, you could say with former President Bill Clinton because he lied to a grand jury under oath. But even then, Republicans driving some political arguments behind that impeachment and no removal as a result of that.

[00:12:54] This is unprecedented what we're seeing with removing cabinet officers or the attempt thereof, especially with Secretary Hegseth, because he's simply carrying out the orders of the commander in chief, which President Trump has as the commander in chief of the United States military. So on Tuesday, the Republican majority on the on the oversight committee released its report on the Epstein and Maxwell cases. I think we've got that to show on the screen.

[00:13:24] Congressman and the chairman, James Comer, said that the government failed the victims. Yesterday, Congressman Thomas Massey said he has 218 signatures to force another House vote on releasing the Epstein files. And Democrats see that in January they'll subpoena the banks that did business with Epstein.

[00:13:44] Paul, when we have a Republican chairman who says the government failed those victims, if the Democratic investigation finds more real wrongdoing, what do you think conservatives should say? That's a great question. And I'll be honest, this is this is something where I myself have mixed feelings on. I think a lot of our conservative friends have mixed feelings, right, because if there is wrongdoing that is is there sitting there in the files, I think we should see it.

[00:14:09] Right. I think the public not only has a right to know they've been told they have a right to know by their government, you know, of both parties. And so, look, yeah, I think maybe then that should be exposed. But again, I'll admit, I don't I don't know what's in those files and I'm not sure what evidence they're they're talking about. And so it's hard to say exactly like, yeah, this is the worst thing that's that's ever happened. It's certainly not as bad as, let's say, the Arctic Frost scandal, which seems to have gone away. I'm not sure if your viewers remember that one.

[00:14:35] That's when the Democrat or the Biden-Harris Justice Department was spying on members of Congress, conservative leaders getting their emails and text messages, including some of our friends, Jenny, that you and I are in meetings with every week. And that just seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. It's definitely not worse than that. I mean, that's a huge scale. It makes Watergate look like a whole lot of nothing. And yet they've treated it like a whole lot of nothing, which is very unfortunate, if you ask me. Yeah, I think that that's right.

[00:15:04] And the Democrats had the ability to investigate Epstein before Republicans took control of Congress and before President Trump was there. If the there is evidence that would stand up, would withstand legal scrutiny and the people could be charged and and the charges would at least stick enough to go to trial, then they need to be charged. It's unfair to the victims not to do so.

[00:15:30] And I just it's a really tough situation. And I do think that it did wind up playing into the results of some of the the elect of the election results. It's but what you just pointed out, Paul, is correct. When there is corruption, when there are our victims, whether it is violence that you're a victim of or it is infringement of constitutional rights. Either way, you should have justice for it.

[00:16:00] Yeah, of course. Robert, Massey leaves Congress in January. Do you think that Republicans will vote with him to give basically to give control of the floor back to Democrats? You know, I think on this issue, Jenny Beth, they might just do that because it's such a political hot football. And sadly, I believe that Massey in this situation. This is his Adam Schiff moment because he's running around town saying he knows these victims. He knows the stories.

[00:16:29] They're ready to testify on these things. But there's a complete lack of regard for statute's limitations. Some of the witnesses who don't want to testify either for their own safety or sake or their family's sake in the situation. And to Paul's point, it's very hard. You want this all exposed. There's no question about that. This White House has been transparent with it, with these votes and asking them to vote on it,

[00:16:53] to release the redacted and unredacted details of what we know from the obscene files thus far. Sadly, it's created more questions than I think answers for most people. But I'm sad to see that Massey on his way out really seems to be using his own primary loss as fodder against the administration. Yeah, he's definitely doing that. When it comes to the Epstein situation, I think it's a little bit different.

[00:17:18] He's saying that he's going to reintroduce each of the articles of impeachment against Secretary Hegseth. And I think that that is just it has to stop. He needs to stop doing this. There are other members of Congress who also want to get things done. He's not the singular member of Congress. So some of it is just extremely frustrating.

[00:17:45] I'm sure on the Democrat side, they are cheering and yelling for Congressman Massey. But it wasn't Democrats who got him elected in the first place. It was actually Republicans and Libertarians. And he certainly seems to be betraying a lot of them. So, okay. So let's take a we're going to do a break here. But before we go to the break, let me let me ask our audience to do this. We have an assignment. It's a different kind of call to action right right now.

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[00:19:39] the Supreme Court and the fight over who leads Democrats come January.

[00:20:11] Welcome back. On CNN this week, Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or AOC, as most people in the country know her, was asked whether Democrats should try to impeach President Trump. Let's listen to her answer. Do you go after Trump? I mean, do you try to impeach Trump? I mean, I think we should leave all options on the table. Absolutely. I mean, of course, this Supreme Court as well has also kind of legalized a lot of his criminality, and they're pointing at impeachment.

[00:20:41] Impeachment in this Republican majority at the time was pointing at the Supreme Court. So we'll see. We'll approach it. But I think all options are on the table. So let's just be clear. She just said that the Supreme Court has, quote, kind of legalized President Trump's criminality. So she's not just talking about the president. She's talking about the Supreme Court.

[00:21:03] As a note, Tea Party Patriots Action has supported the Supreme Court justices for years, and we support having nine justices. The court doesn't always rule the way we want. Nevertheless, we respect the judicial branch of government and our constitutional system. And unlike the big government socialists, we don't want to destroy the judicial system or any of our government when we don't get our way.

[00:21:30] Robert, she put impeachment on the table before naming the offense. What does that tell you about what we should see to come in January about President Trump? And then, Paul, I'm going to ask you about the court. Investigation after investigation after investigation with all these far-left chairmen and chairwomen, and I think it's going to prop up her abilities to perhaps run for president in 2028. Because as she was big on the campaign trail, Jenny Beth,

[00:21:58] she said that if Abdul El-Sayed could win in Michigan, anyone can win anywhere. So they feel empowered by this. And yes, they used, as we talked before, affordability and cost of living and Iran and all these different issues as why they were going to stand up for the American people. But it's interesting because they're a group of people who want us all to own electric cars. They want nothing to do with gas and oil. They don't recognize a country this large needs those things for the next 100-plus years,

[00:22:28] and that we literally stand above that liquid gold that's under our soil more than even the Middle East. And it's about getting those regulations out of the way, just as Chris Wright is doing as the Secretary of Energy under President Trump's administration. So I think you're going to see countless investigations, really a stalemate, and a slowing down of the proper Congressional Congress process over the next couple of years. Yeah, I think that is exactly right.

[00:22:56] There will be an absolute slowing down. Paul, when we hear AOC talking about the court the way that she did and saying they legalized criminality, who else is a target here? Yeah, I mean, first of all, what does that even mean? Legalized criminality. Okay, I have to play that one over a few times to try to make human sense of that. But yeah, what she's basically saying, I think she's speaking for most Democrats,

[00:23:23] is it's outrageous to them that the Supreme Court has not become a political body, right? They want it to be another liberal legislature, basically. They want it to be a kind of a liberal whack on the hands of any conservative efforts anywhere. And the fact that it hasn't been that, right, doesn't mean we love every ruling from a conservative perspective, but we respect it as the institution that it is, separate from Congress, separate from the executive branch. They're saying, no, no, it needs to be a political branch.

[00:23:52] It needs to be a liberal organization. And if it's not, we will take steps to add liberal justices permanently to make sure it is always a liberal political organization that's just putting a rubber stamp on left-wing policies. Just, you know, just absolutely outrageous. Yeah, and we've heard Kamala Harris, Budachek, AOC. We've heard many, many Democrats saying they want to expand the court. So this isn't, it shouldn't be shocking to us.

[00:24:20] They definitely are going to try to do that. And I think they're also going to try to subpoena some of the justices, likely Alito and Clarence Thomas, maybe others, and just put them through the entire process as well, because they want to punish them. Right, that's right. And same thing as you were saying before, you know, try to dissuade others from maybe even putting their hat in the ring for being a Supreme Court justice one day. It's like, well, I don't want to do that. And especially with President Trump being the president,

[00:24:50] he would be the one to nominate, you know, someone for the Supreme Court if there were to be a vacancy in the next two plus years. So they just want to, you know, make it so that no one really wants to do that because they don't want to go through that process. And so people would take their name, good people especially, would take their names out of the running. And that's like what you said before, the process is the punishment. And that's just absolutely horrific. And by the way, we should also point out, I don't think we've heard the Democrats even attempt to make a principled argument for expanding the court, right?

[00:25:19] In other words, they don't say, well, having nine votes is not enough variety of opinion. We need 11, 13, 15, whatever it is. They just go right to it, right? They just basically say, there are just not enough liberals on this court and it's doing too many conservative things. I mean, it's just really jaw-dropping. Can I add to you just real quick, Jenny Beth and Paul, thank you for that. Ruth Bader Ginsburg, their hero, the late liberal, and in many ways a great justice, although at the end she was saying

[00:25:46] the Egyptian constitution is better for America than the U.S. constitution. But even with that, she said nine is a good number. We have to stick to this jurisprudence. And hey, you know, she used to spend New Year's Eve holidays with the late great, it was a lead, no, not a lead. Scalia. Yeah, Scalia, of course. I mean, and with his wife as well. So, I mean, there's a lot to learn from that situation. And I'm surprised they've gone so far to the left as a result.

[00:26:15] Yeah, and look, our side could have just packed the court. We had two years, we could have gone in, oh, you want 13 justices? We'll take care of that for you. And added four more to the court. And they could have all been appointed by President Trump and the Republican Senate could have approved that with 51 votes. But we didn't even try to do that. We weren't trying to suck up more power. What they want to do is suck up power and rig the system for their benefit

[00:26:43] because they don't feel confident that they can win in the arena of ideas. So they have to rig the system to benefit them. 100%. And the Democrats are not all united. There is a fight inside their party right now. Five incoming Democratic socialists won't commit to Hakeem Jeffries for speaker.

[00:27:06] One of them, I think I've got the name right, Malat Kieros told Axios, the agenda I've seen so far presented is not going to cut it. AOC is backing Jeffries, but she won't back Chuck Schumer, probably because she wants to be able to run against Chuck Schumer or at least keep that option on the table. And then Bernie Sanders says he will not back Chuck Schumer either.

[00:27:34] So the most famous Democratic socialist in Congress is with the establishment on Jeffries and against it on Schumer. I want you both to answer this. What do we think this is? Who is going to run the Democratic Party in January? And what kind of division will this cause if Hakeem Jeffries becomes speaker, even though many or some, at least in the conference, don't want him to be? Robert, I'm going to start with you. And then, Paul, I want you to answer the same.

[00:28:03] You know, I think that Jeffries, like Nancy Pelosi, was able to get out there and fundraise. And that's the sad part about losing this election as well. Money is not everything, clearly, especially with the free social media out there. But Jeffries, these DSA candidates owe him a lot because he was getting their name out there from nothing to being out on the airways. Now, I think Chris Van Hollen actually has a real shot because he's kind of on the DSA dream list.

[00:28:33] I mean, meeting and having margaritas with illegal aliens and wanting Medicare for all, really holding the line on that far-left agenda where they see, really, Chuck Schumer as almost a John Thune light. So I think you're going to have a combination of Jeffries as the House Speaker because of his influence in those races across the country with Van Hollen really having a shot to push that DSA agenda. So I think this might be the opportunity for Chuck Schumer to bow out.

[00:29:03] And, Paul, what do you think is going to happen? Yeah, absolutely. You and I have watched a lot of speaker fights. Oh, yeah, 100%. A lot of leadership changes, you know, all that kind of stuff. And I know we'll get to that later. We've got Jim Jordan in leadership. I'm not... I think that Mike Johnson did a great job handling a very thin, tiny margin, and he certainly talked about the Constitution often. So I wasn't this time looking for a new leader, but it's exciting.

[00:29:32] We've supported Jim Jordan for so long. Oh, yeah. No, totally. But we also know what it's like when you support someone and then they don't get it. So what do you think? No, totally. Yeah, I mean, it looks like... And obviously, you know, who really knows what the Democrats are going to do themselves? But it seems like it'll be Jeffries and Schumer. You know, the establishment gets it. But I guess maybe from the DSA perspective, Jeffries is probably better for them because, you know, he comes from that mold, right?

[00:30:00] He's a pretty liberal activist type of guy. Now, you know, Schumer on the other side of the dome, not so much. I think there'll be, you know, not enough votes to unseat him or to elect anyone else leader, but there could be enough pressure that he really has to bow down to the more liberal voices, either in the Senate or even just, yeah, across the dome, Ocasio-Cortez, or others just out in, you know, out in America. He's going to feel that pressure, no question.

[00:30:29] And it'll be fascinating to watch. What'll be equally fascinating is unfortunately, as you know, the Democrats picked up many new members, House and Senate in red districts, in conservative areas, right? A new Kansas Senate or Mississippi Senate, et cetera, et cetera. You know, they're not going to want to go along with the hard left types of things. They won't be able to sustain that in their own home states. So now Jeffries and Schumer are going to have some maybe more moderate Democrats

[00:30:57] pulling them the other way towards the center that they'll have to deal with. And that push and pull is going to be fantastic to watch, you know, grab me a bucket of popcorn. That's really funny. Yeah, absolutely. And then let's take a look at this post from Michigan Senator-elect Abdul El-Sayed about the agenda that he wants to see. He says, Democrats will have a 56-seat majority in the Senate. We need to use it. Pass Medicare for all. Now, Alaska hasn't even finished counting.

[00:31:27] So 56 might become 57 before we're done. And Bernie Sanders, longtime advisor, admits that the number of incoming Democratic senators, that a number of those incoming senators actually oppose Medicare for all. Paul, you and I have warned about the dangers of government-run health care for years. Is Medicare for all something that we might actually see happen in January? Or do you think it's a slogan?

[00:31:55] And also just explain why you and I are so concerned about what would happen if we had Medicare for all. Yeah, that's the thing. And that's right. That's where you and I first got our start together as collaborators, right? Fighting Obamacare back in 2009, 10, 11, et cetera. And so we've got a long history with that. We've seen how disastrous it's been for so many Americans, right? Either losing their coverage altogether or they have coverage, but they don't actually have health care, right? There's a lot of people who are probably nodding their head when they hear that.

[00:32:24] Yeah, I got a great insurance card in my wallet. I don't have a doctor, you know, or my doctor is 45 miles away and that's not really helpful. And, you know, et cetera, et cetera. So many other problems with Obamacare. Medicare for all would be, you know, exponentially worse because now they're saying, let's put every single American into a government run health program, single payer, as you may say, killing any private insurance. That's the thing. Anyone who says that slogan sounds good, Medicare for all,

[00:32:53] just realize that also means no private health insurance. So you could argue that Medicare for all probably will wind up meaning Medicare for none, meaning you will actually not have the care that you think you're going to get because if it's a government controlling it, look at the examples of Canada, Europe and other socialist countries, you just don't get good health care. There's a reason people come and fly to the United States for health tourism because it is still better here with all of our problems in our health care system. It's not great. We could talk about that the whole rest of the show, right?

[00:33:22] But man, is it so much better than places where the government is in total control. So we should be serious though. And what they say, when they say we want to do that, let's take them very, very seriously because they really want to, they've won elections on it. And if they do have 56, 56 senators, granted some of those again will be red state senators. So they may not be able to do it or want to do it, but there'll also be some moderate Republicans. I'll look at Lisa Murkowski from Alaska

[00:33:51] and others who may cross over and work with the Democrats to get some sort of additional government health care instituted. So we've got to take it real seriously. Phew, you scare me there. I'm sorry, I know. But we have to face reality and we have to be prepared to fight. And that is one of the fights that we've got to be prepared to fight. If you in the audience here, if you like what you're hearing on this program and you like hearing the news without the mainstream media spend,

[00:34:21] take a second right now and hit like and subscribe on our YouTube channel or on whichever platform you're listening to. It's how we get in front of more constitutional conservatives. All right. Now, let's take a look at our side. Scott Pressler said that he posted on social media and he's one of the coalition partners I've been around the country with this year. So I thought I'd highlight what he said. He said, our Republican Senate defied the grassroots for two years,

[00:34:50] delivered losses in Alaska, Kansas, Mississippi, and then reelected Senator John Thune as leader. He's very frustrated that they did not listen to the grassroots for the last two years. Senator Ron Johnson didn't take part in the vote. He actually said, a defeat of this magnitude demands serious reflection and change, and he refused to vote as they were voting for the new leader.

[00:35:19] Part of the anger that the grassroots have is about the Save America Act. And I worked with Senator Mike Lee and Cleta Mitchell to help get that bill through. We've been working on that for the past two, almost three years now. It's pretty simple. We just want to make sure that only citizens vote in American elections and that you show a voter ID when you're going to vote. And the majority of Americans agreed with us.

[00:35:48] Yet we have this situation where the Senate, the people who are left inside went ahead and voted again for Thune to be the leader. Paul, explain to people, I'd like you to explain to people how this happened. And I want to make sure people understand. I want Paul to explain how it happened. It doesn't mean he likes it. Okay, so don't shoot the messenger, but sometimes we have to understand

[00:36:17] how these things happen if we want to be able to change it in the future. Yeah, no, totally. That's why I was laughing when you came back to the three-part screen there because I'm just like, oh gosh, yeah, I'll admit, I really can't believe that they reelected the exact same leadership. In other words, maybe change somebody. And this is not even an insult to anyone who's in the leadership, right? In other words, there were forces working against them as well that they couldn't control. But some of them,

[00:36:46] the things that they could control, like bringing the save act to the Senate floor and keeping the Senate there until it was passed could have happened. And yet the exact same leadership. Now, look, on the House side, obviously, they did elect some of the same leadership, but also at least changed out the leader, the Republican leader, Jim Jordan, which we'll talk more about. But let's face it, to explain the Senate is a tough thing, but I think all it was was nobody else stepped up, right? You saw a lot of that. A lot of senators saying that in the press

[00:37:15] that they would have voted for someone else, nobody else threw his or her hat in the ring. And Senator Thune was the only one and on down the line, Barrasso and others for the other position. So I think folks just said, yeah, well, we elected the same people because nobody else was running. I mean, it's very disappointing that why no one else was running, I guess that's even harder to explain, right? Because the environment was there, right? It could have allowed for other senators to throw his or her hat in the ring and stuff like that.

[00:37:44] But I don't know. Maybe they just felt like why be the leader in the minority, a really big minority in the Senate that's so close to getting 60 votes if just a few Republicans cross over. Maybe nobody wanted that job. That could be part of it. But it's still baffling. Yeah, it's still baffling. And it's also baffling that no one else stepped up, no one else was nominated. And so we can be very frustrated

[00:38:13] with Senator Thune and we should be. But he stepped up and you do have to go, OK, well, he did step up. All the others voted for him and nobody else was willing to step up. So there's oftentimes a lot of bluster and then not a lot of action behind it. And we've got to have both. We need to be able to convey our message in a way where we're strongly, firmly advocating for what we care about, what we know is right

[00:38:42] for the constitutional founding principles that have made this country great and will solve the problems of the future. And we also have to be willing to step up and do the hard work that it takes. And one of those senators could have stepped up and none of them did. That's right. So Senator Rick Scott has said that he wants to make sure that all of President Trump's judges get confirmed, but it's going to take over 200 hours of floor time.

[00:39:10] And the Senate only has 20 days scheduled before the end of the year. There's likely very little room in the schedule, the floor time, for extra things that we may want to see happen. We've got the NDAA, the farm bill, judges, confirmation of judges and other nominees, and then they want to try to do a reconciliation bill. They have to do something. Paul, there's the only must-pass

[00:39:39] piece of legislation is the government funding, which runs out on December 11th. Right. So knowing you've worked on both sides of the Hill, both the House and the Senate, how much could they get done? And how much do you think we can expect for them to get done? Yeah, I would say, you know, as you might imagine, don't expect a lot, right? Don't hold your breath. Right. If your viewers are, you know,

[00:40:09] inclined to go to Polymarket to make bets on political things, don't bet on lots of things happening in the United States Congress. It doesn't mean we shouldn't push. And that's the thing. Those are two different things, right? We, outside of the congressional walls and the grassroots, we should still push and say, you absolutely should try to do lots of things. Because this is, you know, like you said, just a few legislative weeks left where you have a Republican president, Republican Senate, and Republican House. Take advantage. Use that. You may not succeed on everything.

[00:40:38] At least give it a shot. At least put yourself in a position to win. And you can't win if you're going home. For example, I think this week, the Senate is only working half a week. Thanksgiving week, I think Congress is taking the entire week off. I don't know about you, how many Americans get an entire week off for Thanksgiving. They're lucky to get Thursday off. Some are lucky to get the Friday off, too, make it a long weekend. Most Americans don't get a whole week for Thanksgiving, yet Congress is taking a whole week for Thanksgiving off,

[00:41:07] despite the fact that the clock is ticking on the Republican Congress and there are so many important things that could be worked on. It's so very, very frustrating. Yeah, it is. And they need to stay. Just stay in session. Miss the Thanksgiving. Have your family come to D.C. I'm not saying Miss Christmas or Hanukkah, but, you know, just take those days off and then get right back to it. Right. There's so much at stake. And the thing is, nothing, I don't think, major,

[00:41:38] not just do I not think, but I don't want major pieces of legislation that the Democrats pass to be signed by President Trump. I want him to veto things like Medicare for all or whatever else terrible ideas they may come up with packing the Supreme Court or whatever else it might be. So I don't think that a lot of things are going to happen that are good in the next two years. And I think there's going to be a lot of gridlock. Right now, the Senate still

[00:42:08] is duly elected and they have time to get some more done. They should fund the government. I think that they should do every single thing possible to get another reconciliation bill done so that they can fund as much as possible for the next two years. Because otherwise, we may wind up in a situation where we're at a complete and total deadlock and the new majority

[00:42:36] passes really awful funding legislation where, say, they defund all of the Department of Homeland Security, all of Border Patrol, all of Customs and Immigration Enforcement, I said it backwards, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. And then just be at a deadlock and say, OK, well, we'll just shut down everything until you do what we want, President Trump. We've got to be able to take that card

[00:43:04] away from both sides. We don't need more shutdowns like what we went through earlier this year. Or anyway, that's what I hope for. I hope they have the courage to do it and they absolutely should confirm every single nominee, all of them. Get them done. Unless you're like criminals, then get them done. You may not like them all, but get them done. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And again, it may mean staying in session late, staying in session on a, God forbid, wait for it, a Friday. Oh my God,

[00:43:34] I can't believe it. Maybe a Saturday. I mean, like it's, it's, it's, it's not that much to ask when you know the clock is ticking and there's not many ticks left on the clock. It's not that hard of an ask to say. Just what you said, like we're not, we're not even saying necessarily miss your Thanksgiving dinner, but you don't need a week for Thanksgiving to one day holiday, right? Right. Vote on Monday, vote on Tuesday, vote on Wednesday, go home Thursday, Friday. Fine. Gotcha. No problem. But then come back Saturday, Sunday, and let's keep voting. And honestly,

[00:44:03] if they all eat Thanksgiving dinner together, maybe things in this country would be a little bit better. Yeah, it's fair point. Okay. We are going to take a very short break. When we come back, we'll talk about Mississippi, what the election should teach us, what, what lessons Paul learned from it. And we'll have a few other topics if we have time.

[00:44:43] Welcome back. Yesterday afternoon, Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith conceded Mississippi's Senate race to Democrat Scott Colum. I think I'm pronouncing that right, but it may not be. I'm going to have to learn that. Mississippi is one of the reddest states in the country, and her opponent ran against what he called Cindy High Prices. Robert, did one slogan about prices beat a sitting Republican senator in Mississippi? Well, you know, it was a very effective messaging campaign,

[00:45:12] and I think the Democrats across the board are due credit for that messaging, but especially in Mississippi, one of the poorest states in the union, and the party in power there, deep, deep red. Actually, this will be the first black senator since 1881, since Reconstruction, those, you know, 20 members of Congress who were elected Republicans, former slaves, that were not talked about, erased practically from the history books in recent years. So there's much to celebrate in that regard. I just have a hard time believing

[00:45:42] that he's going to have an easy time in the United States and with the pressure from the DSA, but heck, maybe he could be the Ebenezer Scrooge of the holidays and actually want to work and put the oil grease in and the work ethic that you need back in Congress because we need someone working all the way to 8 p.m. on Christmas Eve, as mentioned in the last segment, and I have some optimism that he might be able to be the bulwark in that because he put so much into this campaign and it shows

[00:46:11] that relational organizing makes a massive difference. He did that in Mississippi just as John Ossoff did in Georgia and I would say our efforts here at Tea Party Patriots Action and the Citizens Fund did exactly that in these races, but this guy had a messaging campaign probably unlike any other across the country. Yeah, he did have a good messaging campaign. Paul, what lessons do you see from last Tuesday's results? No, absolutely. Well, first of all, we should actually commend

[00:46:40] the Democrats for not giving up any ground, right? In other words, they didn't just say, oh, that's a deep red state, we won't run a candidate or we won't really try or we won't put money, we won't have a messaging slogan. They played everywhere and so like as horrible as it is for people who believe like us, kudos to them for just fighting and not giving up and I hope we take that lesson away on our side that we should give up nothing, no ground, fight everywhere. You just might win, right? Especially if you have something that speaks

[00:47:10] and connects with voters and ideally, yeah, having a fun slogan and nickname that doesn't hurt but let's face it, they connected on a different level and one of the things they connected with was just putting doubt in the minds of the average American that, you know, President Trump promised to do certain things on affordability. Are you feeling it? Are you feeling better? If not, then maybe time to give it a switch and I think that resonated with a lot of folks but I tell you what's interesting and Jenny, Beth, you and I were talking about this on another call yesterday

[00:47:39] when you put politician versus politician in this environment a lot of Democrats won but if you look at ballot initiatives across this country where you had idea versus idea, right? Conservative idea versus liberal idea in a lot of states including a lot of blue states, Colorado, California and elsewhere North Carolina this time is blue the conservative idea won, right? Photo ID no males and female sports wealth taxes were defeated income taxes were,

[00:48:09] income tax cuts were implemented down the line a lot of conservative policy wins it just shows you that even Americans as they're voting for Democrat politicians are saying well we don't want liberal Democrat ideas we still want conservative ideas and we're expecting you to do that we just didn't want in this moment people that they felt were connected to voices who had promised affordability and unfortunately didn't deliver So Paul, what do you think are effective things that the grassroots

[00:48:39] can do between now and 2028? Oh, I love it I mean and let's face it you probably have to break that up into segments right? Like between now and let's say January they should really as we were talking about before be encouraging their current elected Republican officials get back to work show up work hard come up with ideas even new ideas doesn't have to all be things on the shelf craft new ideas we have weeks left let's get them into these must pass bills like you said there's at least an appropriations bill that will have to be enacted

[00:49:08] before December 11th let's get some great conservative wins in that but I agree with you Jenny Beth let's also push for a reconciliation bill which is you know fancy Washington lingo for a bill involving spending and taxing that doesn't need 60 votes in the Senate it can just pass 50 plus one 50 plus the vice president let's do some more spending cuts there some more tax cuts there we could we could do this that's what the grassroots should be doing between now and January and then next year we got to block

[00:49:37] block and tackle right we got to stop bad things from coming out of a Democrat Congress which means not only aiming fire at the Democrats but aiming fire at Republicans who suddenly feel the need to work with Democrats on liberal things right they may feel political pressure like we were just saying will a Republican Lisa Murkowski in Alaska be happy to be that 60th vote for Medicare for all in the Senate God willing no but let's make sure she's not with with pressure with convincing other such things

[00:50:07] so there's there's a lot to work to work to be done and it's aimed at both parties so Robert are you ready to work on these kind of things that Paul is outlining and what other grassroots ideas do you have I mean I don't know what I'm doing here Jenny but I think I gotta go knock doors right now on a bunch of issues gotta get to work immediately 52 days Paul's 100% right it's passing the Save America Act it's codifying the Trump tax law it is getting the grassroots go run for city councils and school boards many of which are across the

[00:50:37] country in 2027 I'm amped up and a lot of that filing period actually happens really before the holidays or even the last week of Thanksgiving and make sure because many of these races are nonpartisan that you consult with an election attorney because I've seen you know I grew up in the Chicago suburbs Brandon Johnson's going through it right now in his reelection bid he might be knocked off of the ballot this was why Barack Obama was so successful in 1996 getting rid of seven candidates on a candidate

[00:51:07] signature technicality if you sign up as an independent in some of these nonpartisan races well because it's nonpartisan you're thrown off the ballot so there's dirty tricks that are played just like we saw in Alaska with two Dan Sullivan's and the Democrats love to play these games especially in city machine politics so be not afraid in fact the Bible tells us that 365 times so once for every day throughout the year there's a lot to be hopeful for and

[00:51:36] I just like to see the Republicans work work work towards the end here and in addition to that Governor Greg Abbott I believe it's state representative Brian Harrison has a 25 point plan to limit the emergency powers of the incoming governor the same thing has to happen here in Georgia Governor Kemp called the legislature back immediately because some governorships have immense emergency powers Abbott and Kemp were right when it came to COVID but these next people coming in might not

[00:52:06] be if there's an emergency yeah what they should do is it's not just limiting the emergency powers but make the emergency powers reflective of what they did which we know worked and correct and so they they wouldn't be saying don't do not tying the hands behind the back to prevent somebody from doing what they did but don't be more oppressive than what they were either there are

[00:52:35] 726 days until the 2028 presidential election we've got a new countdown but 726 days that means we've got a lot of time to get our feet back underneath us and start running again and making a difference the democrat socialists of america just started picking their candidate here's what they've posted online this year DSA has had historic wins across the country and our next challenge is a presidency who should DSA back

[00:53:05] it's up to the members to decide they launch their launch call for picking who they want to be the next president is next wednesday night and on saturday their new york city chapter voted on a resolution called run aoc run robert if the democratic socialists of america endorse alexandria ocasio cortez can anybody beat her in a democratic primary i think so because what they're going to do in congress over the next couple years

[00:53:34] is going to be radically to the left they're going to do the opposite of what they ran on and it puts a lot of these incoming senators especially throughout the south and southeast really in a bind because you do have a more right of center electorate and when it's all engaged especially as republicans will be come the presidential year to paul's point you've had so many initiatives that were ballot safety to election integrity and also

[00:54:03] transgender issues people want johnny to be johnny and jamie to be jamie so parents want their rights protected whether they're red blue or completely white and independent it does not matter in that regard so i think someone has a shot someone like a josh shapiro or a john ossoff perhaps then they have to have aoc on the ticket but because she said if abdul al-sayed wins in michigan anyone can win across the

[00:54:32] country i think she's all in at this point i i think that you are probably right about that and paul what do you think a socialist movement of marxist movement picking a presidential candidate uh what do you think that republicans should be do doing right now i think we have to take it seriously yeah i mean obviously only saying this tongue in cheek but maybe we should all give donations to the dsa because in other words we would want them to pick a dsa candidate

[00:55:02] much easier to beat right like i'm a lot less afraid of you know let's say they're not many being el-sayed i mean we should take all of them seriously but if it's him i think he's far more beatable on a national scale than let's say a john ossoff in georgia right who comes across much more moderately right it's a handsome gentleman he looks good to a lot of people like that's dangerous right that's that should scare all of us on the right uh so like i say tongue in cheek but you know we could just cheer

[00:55:31] on the dsa so hopefully we get a far left wing democrat presidential candidate and maybe republicans can win 45 states like in the old days so um you'll see yeah and i i i think i agree with you like the radical might be easier to beat i think that john ossoff would definitely be very difficult to beat and then robert did just make a really good point that they're gonna have to take a lot of tough votes if they don't vote to the far left their base is going to be upset but if they do vote

[00:56:00] to the far left then the people in the middle right and some of those people who cross over to vote for them are likely going to be upset so they're kind of caught caught in there and they're gonna have to figure out how to navigate navigate that one thing i've learned it is that i i would i i welcome the hard work so i'm not saying this as if i don't welcome the hard work it is a lot harder to be in the majority and be successful than it is to be in the minority and just throw stones all the time and

[00:56:29] um ossoff has been able to be in the minority um and he's had that kind of as a luxury well now he's going to be looking at what it means when he he's not and i i understand he was in the senate when when um schumer was the leader before but um he wasn't in the he hasn't been in the senate when the democrats controlled the house so his his role has been objecting to what

[00:56:58] republicans do for so long and now he's gonna have to figure out how to to handle that i i just think we have to take it all seriously and we've got to make sure we know how to convey to people what our solutions are and how we can give a better future for them and i that's going to be one of the most important things we do no but you're right we got to take them all seriously again we're kind of joking around here a little bit but right even if they even the democrat party nominates the most hard left socialist

[00:57:28] we can't just write it off and say oh we're gonna beat them easy no problem it none of it will be easy right they'll have the levers of power not only in government but in the culture right whether that's education and entertainment etc so it will all be a challenge but would i rather run against you know a moderate kind of normal looking um democrat versus an extreme tough to look at leftist um no let's let's get that extreme leftist in on the democrat side should be easier to beat but we got to take them seriously absolutely

[00:57:59] paul teller thank you so much for joining me again great to be here i just appreciate how much you've been in the fight with conservatives and standing for our conservative values for years and on you as well hill and in the white house great great to be with you both really appreciate it and robert thank you for being on and thank you for filling in yesterday on veterans day let's go get them it's been a big week and we're looking forward to the holidays and thanksgiving but stay in session get to work congress come on that's right fight

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