19,000 COVID Patients: No Federal Agency Ever Asked Him What Worked | Dr. Brian Tyson

[00:00:00] Dr. Brian Tyson is an urgent care doctor in Southern California who treated over 19,000 patients with COVID. Listen to what he had to say about lessons learned and what he thought of the Fauci hearing. I'm Jenny Beth Martin, and this is The Jenny Beth Show.

[00:00:30] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. Dr. Brian Tyson, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you, Jenny Beth, for having me. Dr. Brian Tyson, The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth, PhD So let the audience first know a little bit about you, where your medical practice is, how long you've been practicing medicine. Dr. Brian Tyson, The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth, The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth, Ph.D.: I've been practicing medicine for over 20 years. Dr. Brian Tyson, The medical practice that we have now is in the Imperial County. It's urgent care. It's all Valley urgent care.

[00:00:55] Dr. Brian Tyson, The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth, Ph.D.: We've got three locations down here, and we were pretty much the epicenter of Southern California's COVID outbreak. Dr. Brian Tyson, The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth, Ph.D.: And that's how we gained our popularity, if you would say, but also where we learned our valuable lessons of the COVID and everything COVID related. Dr. Brian Tyson, The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth, Ph.D.: And you really were doing a lot to treat many very sick patients during COVID, correct?

[00:01:25] Dr. Brian Tyson, The Jenny Beth, Ph.D.: Yeah, we were the only main treatment center in person that you could see. Dr. Brian Tyson, The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth, Ph.D.: Most doctors close their doors. There's a lot of the telemedicine kind of test and kind of move on. We were the treatment center that actually saw patients face to face.

[00:01:44] We were the ones who built the outside mobile test and treat centers that Dr. Joe Lodapo from Florida, they took our model and took it to Florida. Dr. Brian Tyson, The Jenny Beth Show, Jenny Beth, Ph.D.: We were one of the main urgent cares also to use monoclonal antibodies in person. Again, people didn't want to treat patients in person. That practice kind of went away. But we stuck to it.

[00:02:12] We brought patients in even, you know, doesn't matter how sick they were.

[00:02:16] Dr. Brian Tyson, The Jenny Beth, Ph.D.: And we had a lot of patients in person, and we had a lot of patients in person.

[00:02:44] Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: Doxychloroquine, Azithromycin, Doxycycline, Vitamin C, D3, Zinc, Melatonin, Colchicine, you name it. If they needed it, we would get it. Oxygen, duodem treatments, albuterol, Atrovent. It didn't matter. We were in the business of treating sick patients regardless of, you know, we thought it was COVID or not. And we had a very high, high success rate.

[00:03:14] Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: And how do you know how many patients you treated during that time? Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: So we stopped calanine when we hit 19,700 or so because, you know, it was getting, you know, crazy in the numbers. Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: But the initial numbers that we really looked at were the first 1,800 patients.

[00:03:40] And what we found was if those patients got treated before day seven of illness, we had 100% success rate. Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: And that goes to show that the early treatment model in medicine is always where it should have been and where it always needs to be.

[00:04:04] You know, I tell this to a lot of people, which is, I don't care what illness you're treating. Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: If you don't treat it early, you could have bad outcomes. Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: And bad outcomes doesn't mean that the drugs that we were using didn't work. What it means is you start a treatment too late. You know, example would be, you know, stage four cancer. You know, you can't wait until cancer stage four to start treatment.

[00:04:33] Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: It makes no sense, you know, but if you started early and say you can excise, you know, and keep it localized, your success rate is going to be a lot higher. Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: So, you know, pneumonia, if you wait and treat pneumonia until you're on a ventilator and you're septic, does it mean, you know, the antibiotics didn't work if you don't survive? It just means you started the antibiotics too late.

[00:04:59] And for me, that was one of the big red flags that I was seeing and why we didn't go along with the so-called there's no treatment for COVID protocol. You know, waiting 10 days, waiting 14 days to treat an illness, especially if it was a respiratory illness, made absolutely no sense to me. Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: And there were a lot of doctors around the entire country who would say, well, there's nothing that we can do if you get really sick, go to the hospital.

[00:05:29] So they weren't doing anything at all to treat people early. Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: Right. And that was, that's complete nonsense. I mean, we all know that. And common sense tells you even supportive care, right? We've always heard the term, well, there's, it's only supportive care. Well, what does supportive care mean? Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: Right. And in the physician community, they know what supportive care means. If you're dehydrated, how about give some IV fluid? If you're hypoxic, how about give some oxygen?

[00:05:57] If you've got a fever or you're showing signs of inflammation, why don't you use anti-inflammatories? So, so to sit there and tell me there's no treatment, just if you get so sick, go to the hospital. Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: It, it, it struck me as super naive or, or, or, or, or super nefarious. You know, that it made absolutely no sense to me. Even patients dying in the hospital.

[00:06:26] And I took care of a lot of patients, my career in the hospital as an ER doctor and an ICU attending. Dr. Brian Tyson, Ph.D.: Where we get to a point in life where we call comfort care. You know, death and dying, comfort care. Comfort care doesn't mean you don't give them anything. Comfort care means you keep them comfortable. You still give them a little bit of IV fluid. You still give them some pain medication. Maybe you give them something for anxiety, right?

[00:06:54] That doesn't mean, oh, well, yeah, there's no treatment for the illness. You're right. At the end stage of life, there is no treatment. You're not going to cure it. But does it mean you don't treat it? And, and when we had that philosophy early on, it made no sense to me. And, and it should have made no sense for every provider out there to question, what do you mean there's no treatment? You know, what else should, what could we be doing?

[00:07:22] Even if you don't want to agree with, you know, um, hydroxychloroquine or evermectin, let's say, let's say you don't agree with those two things. But if you see something in the lungs, like we saw, we were the ones doing chest x-rays and why wouldn't people, you know, do chest x-rays, um, where you see pneumonia? Why wouldn't you treat pneumonia if you see it on, on chest x-ray? You know, and, and if you see somebody's pulse ox in the low nineties or high eighties, why

[00:07:51] wouldn't you give them oxygen? You know, if you see that their, their, their kidney function is getting worse because they're dehydrated because they're not eating, why wouldn't you give them IV fluid? You know, those are the things that didn't make sense to me. And then when you look at the pathology of around COVID and you look at what the spike protein has done and what it does and the, the, the, the, the effects we were seeing, you knew

[00:08:19] it was causing a inflammatory process. We knew it was causing a cytokine storm. So it would make sense then to use things that would counteract that. So that's where the hydroxychloroquine came in. It's an anti-inflammatory. That's where budesonide came in. It's a steroid, inhaled steroid. We use it with asthma, right? Asthma is a allergy and inflammatory disorder. So we started using medications to treat what we saw.

[00:08:49] So even though there was quote, no treatment, it doesn't mean you couldn't prevent some of the pathology and, and, and the repercussions of allowing this virus to, to, to percolate in the, in the, in the system. You know, anti antivirals. We know from even just the flu airborne, everybody's heard of airborne vitamin C and Z. Zinc, right. To help prevent the flu replication.

[00:09:16] We know RNA polymerase is inhibited by zinc and we can get zinc into the cell and we can use, use that to help regulate the viral load. You're going to have better outcomes, you know? And so none of the common sense things were being used. People just, I think were scared. And, and I think people were cowards when it came to it.

[00:09:42] And, and I think we were listening to a body of knowledge who had absolutely no idea what the hell they were doing. And it's clear as day now listening to Anthony Fauci and, and, and looking at his diaries and what Michelle Walensky was doing and everybody in the public health department. I think our system needs to be completely revamped when it comes to pandemics and what's going on.

[00:10:10] Um, on the ground, not listening to us, making up stuff on the fly for their own, um, you know, celebrity status. It's, it's, it's quite revealing of, of what we've learned. Okay. I want to ask you some questions based on, on what you just said. Um, okay. And I took notes so we're, we can work, work through them, but going back when you said that pneumonia,

[00:10:40] pneumonia, why wouldn't you treat it or low pulse ox? Why wouldn't you give them oxygen or, uh, dehydrated, give them fluid. Let's say that I come in to your office and I just don't feel well. And I have a cold and my oxygen is low and I seem to be dehydrated. And, um, maybe you do a chest x-ray and you see pneumonia.

[00:11:06] It's not COVID, but just like on any normal patient, when those symptoms arose, what would you do? And what if you didn't know the underlying cause, but you just saw all of those symptoms presenting themselves? Yeah. So what we would do is we would bring you in, we'd start an IV on you. We'd give you some IV fluid. We'd give you some antibiotics. You know, we would, uh, check your blood work and we would see whether it looked to be bacterial or viral.

[00:11:35] Um, and we would put you on, on oxygen, give you a breathing treatment and we would see how you did. And then we would come, had you come back, um, in, in two or three days to, to see, are you getting better? Are you not getting better? And if you're not getting better, we can change treatment or we can, you know, if you're getting really bad, we can send you to the hospital and, and go, go, go that route. That's what we would normally do. And, and why that wasn't done during COVID was mind blowing. Yeah.

[00:12:05] It's been in one of the things, and I've said this in a few, the other interviews I've done with doctors. One of the things that I have learned is that oftentimes what doctors are doing is they are treating the individual symptoms with things that address those individual symptoms. And for whatever reason, the normal treatments for the individual symptoms just went completely out the window.

[00:12:30] And the doctors, especially the ones in the ivory towers in Washington, D.C., seem to have completely forgotten any of those normal treatments for symptoms. Correct. And I think it goes back to what, what everybody would tell us. It's against the guidelines. It's against the guidelines. It's against the guidelines.

[00:12:53] You know, we became a cookbook society going through med school and residency by the evidence quote evidence-based practice. Right. We all want to use evidence-based medicine and that's great. And, and, and, and chronic disease evidence-based practice is number one. What does the standard, what does the industry, what does the, the, the, the science tell us, you know, how to treat diabetes? What's the numbers?

[00:13:23] What, what, what do we use to get blood sugar down? What do we use for weight loss? You know, what do we use to get blood pressures down? What do we use for coronary artery disease? What do the studies show when you have 10 to 20 years of evidence-based practice, you know, you know, okay, these are the drugs that work better than these drugs. I get that. I totally understand that. But when you're talking about acute illness, that's not correct.

[00:13:52] Quote evidence-based except for maybe in the OR, maybe using particular procedures or, you know, an open versus a closed surgery, those kinds of things using this tool versus that tool, using this. antibiotics post-surgical prophylaxis versus something else. But, you know, a gunshot wound to the chest, you're not going to open a book and be like, okay, what do the guidelines tell me,

[00:14:20] you know, on how to treat this gunshot wound to the chest, right? You as the physician have to get in there and find out where the damage is, clamp the arteries, try to figure things out. Is this salvageable? Is this not? You know, what can I repair? What can I not repair? That goes to practice, right? That's the practice. That's what we're talking about when it comes to

[00:14:43] what am I seeing in front of me? You know, me and my wife had a discussion when COVID came around and she says, well, what are we going to do? I says, well, you can take the kids and you can go to your mom's and I'm going to go to the clinic because I need to see what this looks like. I have to see for myself, how sick do these patients look? I have to listen. I have to feel

[00:15:11] I need to do the x-rays. I need to see what's going on because if I don't see it, I don't touch it. I don't feel it. Then I don't know for sure what, what really is bothersome. How do they look? What do they, you know, what is their pulse? What is their heart rate sounds? What does their lungs sound like? You know, and, and then what does the chest x-rays tell me? What is the blood work telling me?

[00:15:35] You know, and, and how do they respond to treatment? You know, I mean, in the ER, we're always told, do your evaluation, start treatment and reassess, right? That's, that's the, the old adage of the OODA loop from, from, from the military, right? You know, you're going to observe what's going on. You're going to orientate yourself. You're going to collect your data. You're going to give an assessment. You're going to start a treatment and then you're going to reevaluate. Did what we give

[00:16:02] work? Did it not work? So when people say, you know, you were treating and, and you were killing people. No, I wasn't because I brought them back every three days to make sure that they survived. And I know they survived because they all came back. And when they came back with seven friends, yeah, we watched and followed them too. And, and, and that was the, that was the tale. It wasn't a

[00:16:28] 15 or five minute conversation, um, over the phone. Okay. You're going to go get a test. Your test result comes positive. And, and like Kaiser was doing sending out some, you know, generic letter with, you know, 10 pages of guidelines on what to do. That's not medicine. No, that's not medicine. That's, that's, that's making money off of a problem with disregard for

[00:16:57] outcomes. And, and that is not the practice of medicine. That's not what physicians do. But yet that was being done across the country. And, and it made no sense to me, you know, when, when I had my conversation with the California medical board, because, you know, we were investigated for, for going against the guidelines and protocols, you know, two and a half hour conversation in

[00:17:23] the investigator looked at me and he goes, you were just doing your job. Yeah. I was just doing my job. You know, that's, that's exactly what I was doing, you know, and, and, and that is what we have to take away from this. That's what we have to learn. We have to learn to trust the doctors on the front

[00:17:46] line, right? In a war, the generals don't know what's going on on the front line. Those generals that don't know what's going on on the front line are going to be less successful than those who know what's going on on the front line, right? What's the enemy doing? What is the enemy using? How do we adjust to, to their tactics, right? I mean, there has to be a ground level knowledge that currently

[00:18:10] right now is not involved in the CDC, the FDA and the NIH. Okay. There is not a single person on the ground telling the administration what's going on in medicine. And we still don't have that today. And to me, that's the biggest mistake that we continue to make and we'll continue to make because

[00:18:37] what you see in the hospital is 90% of the time in stage problem. You know, I had a, I had a conversation with a colleague yesterday who we went to residency together. We both did hospital medicine and we both got out of hospital medicine. He said, because by time they get to the hospital, you know, they're in stage. 80, 90% of them are in stage. You're dealing with chronic,

[00:19:05] chronic conditions, in stage of life, in stage renal failure, in stage heart disease, in stage coronary artery disease. He said, and it's, it's depressing. So the people in the ivory towers who sit there and say, well, hydroxychloroquine didn't work and ivermectin didn't work. Well, how do you know if you're treating end stage disease? Does that mean vancomycin doesn't work for

[00:19:30] pneumonia? Does that mean that Zosin doesn't work for urosepsis? Does that mean, you know, Cipro doesn't work for pyelonephritis? I mean, it's, it's, it's mind blowing to think, well, just because you think it doesn't work in the ICU, does it mean that that, that medication doesn't work? You know, and if it's not, if what you're doing is not working, why not try something

[00:19:57] else? You know, Pierre Corey said, hey, ivermectin was working in the ICU and physicians refused to use it. You know, that wasn't in the guidelines. Right. It's not in the guidelines. And so what is not in the guidelines? We use a lot of medications that are not in the guidelines. At least it's FDA approved. You know, remdesivir wasn't FDA approved until later in, in, in, in the, in the treatment course,

[00:20:23] you know, but you know, you're going to use a drug that we don't know versus a drug that we do know. And, and, and those were the, those are the conversations that was just, it was absolutely mind blowing for me. Mind blowing. Yeah. I, I, I'm not a doctor, but I, I talked to so many during COVID and, and I continue to talk to, to so many weekly now because of, of the relationships that we

[00:20:52] built in the, I, I, it just, the government doesn't work when it's too involved in healthcare. I think that's one of the biggest things that I take away from this. It's no longer care. It's health management. It's, but it's not healthcare. What you're doing is providing care and treatment to patients. But what we're hearing from the guidelines, that's not healthcare.

[00:21:18] What we see in insurance companies, it's not healthcare. It's just the management and payments and money flow. It, it isn't actually caring for the patients and the common sense that, that went out the window. I, it, during COVID, it could be excused because it was a, a, um, novel disease and,

[00:21:43] and people were dying when, when they got so sick at the very end. And perhaps in the beginning, you can, can excuse some of the behavior because they just, everyone was learning and trying to learn as quickly as possible to be able to treat it. But it doesn't, it doesn't end with COVID though. It doesn't end with, they, they're doing this with so many other diseases as well. And they want

[00:22:06] to nationalize all of our healthcare. Well, I think, I think you said it best just now, which is government is trying to manage. Yes. Everything. And the problem with the government trying to manage is they are the worst at managing anything. Take any, any example across what government does

[00:22:36] and tell me they do it better than the private sector. Name, name anything. There's not any thing. Maybe the best thing would be being able to conduct war. I think that's it. Military. I would give them the military. And I think that that's probably the only benefit of having a government is they can organize the military and they have the,

[00:23:03] the, the firepower to negotiate across nations. That's about it. But you ask them to build a highway and it's going to cost you a hundred times more than it is the private sector. You ask them to manage healthcare. It's going to cost you a hundred times more than the private sector. You ask them to, you know, regulate interstate commerce. Oh my God. It's, I mean, that's, that's a nightmare for,

[00:23:27] for a government to try to manage, right? I mean, you know, the States can't even manage themselves, let alone trying, you know, a government to try to manage what goes on between States. There's a bigger picture and a bigger or bigger problem when you start to look at those things. So yes, the government trying to manage healthcare through entitled agencies with no experience and,

[00:23:53] and, and, and no direct line to what's actually going on makes zero sense to me. Zero sense. Yeah. Yeah, it, it makes no sense. And I think that it's something we have to remind the people who are willing to learn from what happened with COVID. We want to learn lessons. So we don't repeat

[00:24:17] what happened wrong with COVID when a pandemic breaks out again, or a novel disease breaks out again. We also need to learn lessons about government overreach from, from COVID that can apply to any aspect of, of the government. Dr. Tyson, when you were seeing, um, you talked about being against the guidelines, a cookbook for, for medicine, and then people,

[00:24:46] your colleagues were so focused on the guidelines. And now we've seen Dr. Fauci's diaries and his testimony. And I, I think it, it shows some of, some of what we suspected is, is, was happening in real time. Some of it isn't so shocking and other parts of it. It's just appalling that he knew

[00:25:12] that he just wasn't being truthful with the public. Yeah. Well, so here's, here's the problem with that. And here was the basis of the problem with that. Anthony Fauci, although a physician, has never seen patients outside of residency. Okay. That's, that's problem number one. So when you put somebody with no experience in that position and you give them the power

[00:25:41] to make the decisions that he was making, it's great at first for him, right? You can see that in his diaries. He was a national figure. He was on every talk show. He was on the news. He had the power to make policy and change. And that, that made him feel really good because that is something he had been searching for since the eighties and the AIDS epidemic, which he completely

[00:26:08] botched. Okay. And, and, and I know I was, I was alive during that time and, and I was in medicine at that time. I wasn't a physician, but I was in medicine at that time. You can see how that didn't work out for him and how this was working out for him. The problem is

[00:26:31] when you don't know what you don't know, you make decisions based on what you think. Okay. Because it's what we're told. We make decisions on what we know or what we think we know about something. And then when that turns out to be wrong, it's really hard to say, you know what, that was wrong.

[00:26:52] Let me change course. Right? So we have to lie about it, make things up. Well, that's not really what I was talking about. That's not really what I was said, but in his position, he also knew they were doing some really bad stuff in Wuhan with research. He knows that. And he did not want

[00:27:18] that to come out because that would have totally knocked him off the stage he was on. Right? So you have to cover that up. That's why he covered up the Wuhan leak and tried to blame it on this wet market. Even in his emails where he says, yes, we know that that was not the source, but it was quote,

[00:27:38] the amplifier. Nonsense. Nonsense. The virus got out. It was during one of the busiest times in China. And everybody took it out because there were so many flights out of China at that time. That's how it got out. And being as small as it is, and being, you know, completely airborne with, you know, no chance of containing it, especially in today's travel. All they had to do was be honest about it.

[00:28:08] Yeah. You know what? It got out of the lab. We're sorry. Let's try to contain it and go from there. But instead it was trying to hide it. Right. It's, you know, it's the little kid trying to hide the fire. He started in his backyard, you know? Wait, and doesn't that make it harder to treat it? Because there was knowledge about the virus in that lab that maybe would have made it easier to know how

[00:28:32] to treat it had that gone out to the medical community from the very beginning, rather than pretending it somehow naturally evolved in nature. Right. And if they would have said, this is the virus we've been doing research on, we had the research available. You know, a quick literature search, we found the studies that were being done on coronavirus because we had seen that coronavirus

[00:29:02] in 2005. And there was lots of research on it that has now been hidden and taken off the internet, which is just mind-blowing again, you know, where, you know, he himself said coronavirus, you know, quiet quinine prevents coronavirus and it spread. That paper was from 2005. So why not start that? You know, why not try that? I mean, that's when, but, but again, it became political because Trump,

[00:29:30] right? Everything anti-Trump. Oh my God, he's got hydroxychloroquine. He's going to kill everybody. You know, hydroxychloroquine is so bad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All you got to do is a literature search on hydroxychloroquine. It's one of the safest medications in the world. Right? That's a red flag for me. When you're telling me something that I've been using my entire career for rheumatoid arthritis, lupus and ankylosing spondylitis and all of these other, you know, autoimmune anti-inflammatory diseases. And you're telling me if I use it, I'm going to kill

[00:30:00] somebody with COVID, but I can use it if you got rheumatoid arthritis, but I can't use it if you have COVID. I can use it if you have lupus, but I can't use it if you have COVID. Made zero sense to me. Again, you know, quote, that's not the guidelines. I don't care. It's FDA approved. I can use drugs off label. I'm allowed. The law says I can. So don't sit there and tell me you're using non-FDA

[00:30:26] prescribed drugs. No, FDA does not approve drugs for conditions. FDA approves drugs for use. Is it usable? Is it not usable? Now, the pharmaceutical companies need to get approval for marketing, right? So they approve the drugs for marketing for specific diseases,

[00:30:53] but I can use any FDA approved drug. I want to treat a condition that I feel is necessary. And again, going back to what I told the medical board, if you're seeing signs of inflammation, which we saw CRP levels, ERSR levels going up, right? And I use an anti-inflammatory,

[00:31:17] hydroxychloroquine, colchicine, Motrin, ibuprofen, ketorolac, steroids. Is that not appropriate? And the answer is yes, it's appropriate. If I see inflammation, I can treat with anti-inflammatories. So to tell me that hydroxychloroquine was not approved for the treatment of COVID, I'm like, okay, let me change the ICD-9 code to acute inflammatory response. Does that fit?

[00:31:45] Sure it does. Okay, great. I'm not using it off label anymore. Like, mind blown, right? It's not rocket science if you do what you're supposed to do as a physician. It's not, you know, it was funny. We were watching an episode of the new little house on the prairie and they had, you know,

[00:32:10] the fever goes through the town and the doctor's like, well, we're almost out of quinine, you know? And it's like, I mean, this drug has been around forever, right? I mean, it's been around forever as an antiviral, you know? And well, the quinine stores. And so we got to go see, you know, Mrs. I forget whatever her name was. And she's got a stock call of it. And she's like, well, I'm not going to give it to you because I need it for my family. That was COVID. You know,

[00:32:35] I'm going to only use it for me. You can't have it. And, and, and we're not going to let you use it because if you use it, you might get better. We want you to use this stuff instead. Like, like I, I, I, I, I, it's, it's PTSD for me at this point. It's crazy. Yeah. Well, it's hard not for it not to be because you were so maligned and you had to go before your

[00:32:59] medical board to, to prove that you were only just doing your job. So of course, of course it, it brings back lots of memories. When you mentioned, well, I, I, since we're talking about treatment therapy, when you mentioned the monoclonal antibodies, and then you also mentioned

[00:33:25] remdesivir, talk about the, the new treat, the new drugs that came out and what worked and what did not work. So, I mean, so, you know, the monoclonal antibodies came out. Great therapeutic by the way. Okay. I mean, patients were sick one day and, and better than next. And we were giving out monoclonal antibodies as fast as possible. What was interesting about that

[00:33:53] was the supply chain getting the medication. We couldn't even get the medication fast enough in, in most instances. And the hospitals for some reason refused to use it. And, and, and I think it goes back to, they didn't want the patients in the hospital to quote, prevent the spread to their employees for whatever reason.

[00:34:19] Um, because, and also time and, and, and I'm going to assume reimbursement because we didn't get reimbursed for it because it was given to us. So I don't, I know that, that part I couldn't figure out because we only used, I want to say 10% of the monoclonal antibodies that were made,

[00:34:40] but yet it was super effective. And then for some odd reason during Delta, when we were still seeing Delta, they pulled it from us from use because they said that it had changed from Delta to, um, Oh my gosh. The, the, the next variant that came around, that's skipping my mind, right? Omicron.

[00:35:06] Yeah. And they pulled the use of it, even though we were still seeing the Delta variant and it was still effective. So again, I don't understand why we were doing things when nobody in, in, in today, even to date, nobody from the public health department, from the NIH or the FDA has ever come to me and

[00:35:35] said, Hey, what you were doing during COVID, what worked, what didn't work. And I'm going to tell you what's interesting about that is the California department of public health was in my clinic for 10 months collecting data. They were in my clinic collecting data. We gave them data every Friday.

[00:36:01] And when they went to publish those results, they didn't want to publish the treatment data and they didn't want to publish the reinfection rate. Why is that important? Because we had already documented 18, it was like 1700 patients at that time, almost 1800.

[00:36:25] That early treatment worked and those who got infected were not getting reinfected. Natural immunity worked. So the two things that public health should have pushed,

[00:36:47] they ignored. That leads me to something else was going on. This has to be then now nefarious, right? Because if the public health's job is to report to the governing body and the CDC director on what's going on, and they're refusing to report on those two metrics, then you have to ask yourself,

[00:37:12] why? Why are they not reporting on those two metrics? In a clinic that we were seeing three, four hundred patients a day having a high success rate, documented patients, patients' phone numbers, addresses, everything, because we have to put all that into a CalReady system so that they can track it. They know where they live. They know who's in those homes. They know who lives with them,

[00:37:38] right? Because of all that quarantine stuff. They had all the data, all the information. All of it was verified, Jenny Beth. All of it was verified. Treatment, success. Treatment, success. Treatment, success. And when I asked them that question the next day, they said, we're no longer working with you. They didn't want that question asked.

[00:38:08] They didn't. I got an email stating we are no longer going to be a sentinel site because I asked the leading doctors from the California Department of Public Health who came out to visit why they were not promoting and collecting the data that we were giving them on treatment and reinfection rate. They could have just answered the question. They didn't want any

[00:38:36] questions asked. They didn't want anyone questioning their authority whatsoever. And it probably comes back to a lot of what you said about Fauci. You know, he had no experience and he had power. And so at first it was great for him. But then as he was limited by what you only know what you know and you don't know what you don't know. And so you make mistakes because you're

[00:39:03] lacking all of the information and it's hard to admit that you've made a mistake. They didn't want anyone questioning them because they didn't want to expose anything they may have been doing wrong. Well, yeah, but when you're doing everything wrong, that's the problem. Well, they were doing everything wrong, especially in California. Everything was wrong. Everything they were doing was wrong. And you're right. Why weren't they looking at your clinic and going, he's treating 200 to 300 patients a day.

[00:39:29] They're not dying. He's helping them survive. We should be replicating what he's doing in the places where throughout the rest of the state or throughout and urge the CDC and the NIH to do that in other parts of the country. I agree. And I don't understand why, you know, I went on the news for KUSI San Diego. I told them this is what we're doing. This is what just that is what's going on.

[00:39:58] It's working. And everybody was like, oh, my God, there's treatment. That's great. Yay. Yay. Yay. You know, three days later, censored. Thrown out. Banned. You know, I, you know, social media gone. When, when, when did you do that? When were you on the news saying that? It was, I want to say March or April of 2020.

[00:40:25] They didn't want anyone to say that there was a treatment for it. We got, when we had the, you were with the group in DC, the first group, right? Weren't you? I know you were with. I was with the second, the second summit. The second time. So in the first time, when we were in front of the court and the, in Stella Emanuel, Dr. Stella Emanuel gets up and she says, I can treat it.

[00:40:54] I can cure it. I can make sure you don't die. That was like the death nail for us because you weren't allowed to say you can treat it. There is no cure. There's still no cure for COVID, just a vaccine. A shot. Yeah. And that's, that's where, that's now where we get into the, the, the, the nefarious of what's, what's happening, right? That's the dark side of what, of what happened. That, that tells you

[00:41:20] there's an ulterior motive behind all of this because what happened early on was a suppression that led to massive amounts of death that didn't have to happen because all of the data was, was, was, was there, the stories were there, the doctors were there. And every time we tried to

[00:41:49] say something, it got suppressed. And, and that's the hard part for me. You know, that's the hard part to really believe that our government or those above our government, you know, the so-called shadow government is doing things to legitimately depopulate the world. And, and I mean, that's the only

[00:42:18] explanation for this because this is not, this wasn't isolated to the United States. You know, this was to me, a global depopulation plan that they thought was going to wipe out probably 10 to 20% of the population. And, and when it didn't happen, you know, now everybody's backtracking and trying to cover things up, but cat's out of the bag now, cat's out of the bag.

[00:42:47] And, and, you know, nothing says more than everything now you're seeing on social media with, with the pushback from people, you know, um, I told you, I posted something on, on X yesterday, you know, how did you know, what was the first thing or what were some of the experiences that you had that you knew this was an absolute nonsense. And, and, you know, the 7,000 comments

[00:43:14] of, of, of what people had to go through, people were like, this is just ridiculous. You know, the, the six foot distance thing was, was, was mind blowing, you know, everybody pointing to, you know, the, the, the grocery aisles with a, with the one way traffic, you can only go down this aisle this way and you had to come back the other way. Um, you know, putting kids in, in, in tents to, to play instruments and putting a hole in your mask so that you can play your,

[00:43:43] loot or, I mean, you know, it it's, it's mind blowing when you look back and you, and you read the stories and you see what was going on. And the compliance is just, I mean, common sense. I, I, I don't understand why people did not push back sooner because common sense tells you this is

[00:44:09] complete nonsense, complete nonsense. I think that they didn't push back sooner because they were afraid. And fear is one of the most, fear and anger are the two most motivating emotions that there are. We see it on social media all the time. People are afraid or they, there's rage bait because they know if you click, if you read something that makes you angry, you keep clicking through and

[00:44:36] you keep getting angrier and angrier and angrier. Um, and I, I just, I, I can't be there. I can't be in a place where I'm angry all the time, all day long, every single day. I want to do something about it. I want to fix what's wrong. I can't be in a place where I'm so afraid that I'm paralyzed by my fear. And I, I think that for, for me, I was watching what it was, I was tracking the virus

[00:45:04] and I saw what was happening in China and then in Italy, like from the very, very, very beginning of it. And I was thinking, are we, the United States of America are going to let the, uh, the way, a, the communist party in China, the Chinese communist party responded to a virus by shutting

[00:45:27] down and locking everyone down and violating their rights to be able to move around freely. Um, in the way that the nationalized healthcare in Italy responded in, in people died in Italy, we are allowing socialized healthcare and communism to decide how we're going to respond to it in America. And it, it made no sense to me from the very beginning. And I was like, okay, maybe they need

[00:45:55] just a little bit of time to understand what they're grappling with. And I, I was quiet for the first 15 days. I'm like, I can let them try to understand what they're grappling with. I still think this is wrong. You shouldn't be locking people down. My sheriff heard from me and I made sure that my County locally did not, did not lock down the way that, um, some places did. And I, but most places

[00:46:24] did not. And then governor Kemp in Georgia, when he reopened Georgia, I read the entire lockdown order, you know, whatever you want to call it. To me, it was a lockdown order. His executive order, closing the state, it said businesses could still be open. Just keep everything clean. Make sure your employees aren't going to be getting sick. So make sure you've got a clean environment. And he basically

[00:46:49] locked, truly locked down, um, hair, hair salons and massage parlors and big venue venues. Those were the big ones that were truly locked down. Other places, if you had read his order, you would have seen, you could keep operating your restaurant. You could keep your business open. None of that was, was not allowable. And I did think it made sense to protect the elderly because the elderly were dying

[00:47:18] from it. So make sure that we're not letting the people who are most likely to get, get sick and die from it. Let's make sure that we're protecting them. Okay. So then he reopened. Let's go back to that really quick. Cause yeah, cause what, what, what you just said, right in, in a world that makes sense, you would think that, okay, that's, that's great. But in reality, example here in California,

[00:47:44] that, that never happened. And I'm going to tell you, you know, the story of where our urgent care is, is right in between Costco, Target and Lowe's and Starbucks and a dental office. So what's essential? Well, they were all essential.

[00:48:11] So the busy 5,000 visit a day Plaza is still open. Meanwhile, Kim's nails has to close and lose her business. Yeah. It's crazy. You see what I'm saying? I mean, like that made no sense. No. Owing the kids out of school was the worst decision that, that, you know, I told people from the very beginning, children were not getting sick with COVID children. If they did get sick,

[00:48:40] was a very mild cold, keep them in school because the parents are still going to work because they're essential. So who's taking care of the kids if they're not in school? Right. Grandparents. Right. So who this, who the spreaders kids, right? Kids spread viruses all every winter. We know that. It doesn't have to be COVID, it can be influenza. It doesn't matter.

[00:49:07] Right. Kids don't wash their hands. Kids pick their nose. Kids are, you know, snotty nose all over the place. Right. They touch everything at the supermarket. Right. So yes, they're bringing that home to grandma and grandpa all the time. So now they become the full-time care provider because parents are still in school or parents are still at work. Right. We weren't protecting grandma and grandpa. We, we weren't, we weren't protecting anyone. Anyone. We weren't protecting

[00:49:34] anyone. And when Kemp, when Governor Kemp reopened the, the state, he was mocked and made fun of around the entire country. And they were like, well, why are you opening these hair salon? And I was thinking, because it's the only thing that's actually closed here. He's reopening what he closed. That's it. Right. And I went and got my haircut. I think it was the second day, not the first day that

[00:50:00] everything was reopened. I, and I, I'm still alive. And my children went to school and did a group photo. Of course, they didn't get back to school till August, but they did a, a group photo with their senior class who were one of the first schools in the country to reopen. And the photo of them, um, with all the girls wearing their black dresses and whatever the guys wore that, that day as well. The, it went, the New York times got ahold of it. It went viral. And there, there were all these

[00:50:30] comments that you're going to just be at your children's funeral and a week from now, you're killing your children. My children are alive and well, they didn't die from a photo. They didn't die from going to school. What, what did harm them was the insanity, the insane quarantine rules that if somebody near you tested sick, even if they were with a faulty test, even if they were showing

[00:50:53] no symptoms whatsoever, they got a, a tape measure out and measured a radius of six feet. And if you were unlucky enough to be within that six foot radius, you were sent home for two weeks. It just, it was awful. Just horrible. And it was like, I mean, you know, nothing made less sense to me than having somebody who is sick,

[00:51:18] stay indoors, quarantine with everybody around them who wasn't sick. So then they all would get sick and say, you couldn't go outdoors, which is exactly what everybody needs. You know? I mean, one of the things I told my patients was open your windows, open your doors, get outside. If it's, if you can go out the front door, go out the back door, get sunlight, right? Because vitamin D is

[00:51:45] helpful, you know? But brisk walks, walks on the beach, walks in the park. I mean, you know, I, I don't, I don't understand the, you know, stay at home, closed environment, keep breathing everything, get everybody infected. But then if you go to the hospital, those same family members who've been quarantined for the last two weeks with this patient can't go visit them in the hospital.

[00:52:14] You make no sense. None of it. I was just there. We took them to the hospital and now I can't see them. I've been with them every day for the last 14 days. And now you're telling me I can't see them. Like, how the hell does that make sense? In no sense whatsoever. None of it. So yeah. Brian, you mentioned the AIDS, HIV. What, what did Dr. Fauci do wrong with that? So PCP pneumonia was killing AIDS patients.

[00:52:44] And instead of using the, the Bactrim and Prednisone treatment that worked, and we know that works, we still use it. He tried to push AZT instead. So it was the suppression of early treatment with, with repurposed drugs. Bactrim was a cheap antibiotic and Prednisone's been around forever. Okay. And, and, and, in hopes that his new HIV medication AZT would be the, the, the hero. Well, come to find out that didn't work.

[00:53:15] Hundreds of hundreds of thousands of age patients died. We know that, you know, single, uh, uh, retro antivirals don't work. You need, you know, double, triple, quadruple sometimes. And it's, it's again, multi-drug therapy. Wow. Where'd we hear that before? Multi-drug therapy. So it wasn't until, you know, it was proven that it didn't work that we went back to what actually worked.

[00:53:40] Um, and, and, and, and that in itself was, was a huge problem during the AIDS epidemic. That is so much like, it's as if he learned nothing from it at all. Correct. But this was his opportunity at redemption. He was going to redeem himself. And, and, and, you know, and remdesivir was going to be that drug, um, which, you know,

[00:54:04] killed 46% of the patients they trialed it on for Ebola. Uh, but you know, let's try it with this new virus. Um, and, and how'd that work out? It didn't work out very well. It still doesn't work. No, it, it still didn't. So, um, um, he's, when I read about what I heard from, from you and other doctors about what had happened

[00:54:32] with, with AIDS and what stuck with me is the, what you're calling multi-drug therapy. I, I just think of as, as a cocktail of medicine. So that's in my mind, how I've thought of it, where you're, you're just treating, you're, you're getting the different medicines to treat the different symptoms. And they, they told me, this is how we treated AIDS. And this is how we're going to treat

[00:54:56] COVID. And this is how we're going to make sure people survive. We're treating the symptoms. And then I read, uh, Bobby Kennedy's book, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s book about Dr. Fauci and started reading about what happened with AIDS back in the eighties and early nineties. And I was, I was infuriated and I was also ashamed that I didn't know any of it. I mean, how I, I, I, I,

[00:55:25] I wasn't really around people who had AIDS and I also, um, wasn't a doctor or in the medical field, but I still just read it and thought, wow, they were treated. All of these people were treated so horribly and they were dying. And we were being told all these other things to do to try to prevent the spread of it. But the, the, and they were, a lot of people were being treated poorly because, um,

[00:55:56] of the, the stigma. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because of the stigma. They demonized it and said, HIV is a bad virus and it only affects the, the homosexual population. You know, they did this to themselves, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Oh, well, I'm not, I'm not gay. So it doesn't affect me so I can live my life and I don't have to worry about it. That's what they wanted. And that's exactly, um, the problem. Because again, like you said, if we don't learn from things,

[00:56:24] we're going to repeat the same mistakes. Yeah. Right. We're going to repeat mistakes, but our society has gotten so self-centered that we forget about everything in the past because it doesn't affect our future. And it's not until it affects our future that we start to sit there and question, well, wait a minute, you can't do that to me. Well, they've been doing it to you for a long

[00:56:50] time. It just didn't affect you. Now it affects you. Now you want to say something most too late. You know, when, when, when they came around and said, you know, 14 days to slow the curve, right? Slow the curve. I told my wife, they're not going to, this isn't a 14 day thing. She goes, no, it'll be, I said, no, it won't. No. And you give the government power, they never give it back. No. She goes, what are you talking about? I says, listen, you can't give the government an inch

[00:57:18] because if you think they're going to give it all back to you, you're crazy. And she thought I was crazy. And now he's like, man, right. We were all treated as if we were crazy and maligned for wanting to protect our liberty and still want, and we wanted people to live. We didn't want people to die. I wanted the people who were sick to be treated. I wanted them to live. And I wanted to make sure if they were the most vulnerable that we were doing everything we could to protect them.

[00:57:48] And, and yet we were treated like the bad guys. And I don't think we were the bad guys. No, you know, I, I said this, I don't know, probably a thousand times during the interview. If I'm wrong, then people are still going to die because no treatment was leading to death. Everybody said, well, COVID is killing everybody. So to do nothing, the end result was death,

[00:58:18] right? So if I'm wrong, people are still going to die. But if I'm right, people will live. So what's the, what's wrong with trying something? And nobody could give me an answer to that. The CDC wouldn't give me an answer to it. The public health department wouldn't give me an answer to it. You know, again, California medical board. Hey, if I was wrong, then there would be all of these deaths.

[00:58:45] I would be sued for malpractice. All of these wrongful, that where are all the wrongful death cases on my end? Right. If I was, if what I was doing was killing people, then why am I seeing 300 patients a day? Because I'll tell you what, if, if you brought, you know, your mom or grandma to me, and when I gave them, killed them, they're not going to tell, they're going to be, Hey, don't go there. That guy's killing people. Right. And then I would have been shut down early because the death rate

[00:59:12] would have been so high that nobody would have want to come to my clinic, but it was the exact opposite. Patients didn't want to go to the hospital because at the hospital, they had an 80% mortality rate, 80%. So those patients, instead of going to the hospital, went to my clinic. That's how I knew we were doing the right thing. And there's nobody out here in this County who will tell you

[00:59:39] we did the wrong thing. Nobody, there's no proof. Yeah. Because you didn't do the wrong thing. So the lessons that I jotted down that you, you said, um, learn, learn from this, trust the doctors on the frontline ground because that ground level knowledge needs to get to the CDC, the NIH, the

[01:00:03] department, uh, or the, uh, health and human services and, and the state and local equivalents equivalent of it, because you're the ones touching real patients, seeing the virus yourself and you have knowledge that can help them at a public health standpoint, do their job. Um, the, the government trying to manage is the absolute worst or the worst at managing anything. And then the

[01:00:33] NIH and CDC still, they should have asked what was working and they still have not asked those docs on the frontline in, in like you, what worked. Correct. And, and even to this day, public health, our public health department doesn't see patients. So how can a public health entity help if they don't see patients and they don't talk to the doctors? Makes no sense.

[01:01:01] No, it makes no sense at all. Any other lessons or thoughts that you, you have about it that you want to share? I, no, I just, for me, I think it's the open communication between us and, and the government, um, both the state and the federal government, that channel of communication needs to be established and opened. You know, I've asked and, and applied to be in part of a HHS and we were all denied.

[01:01:31] Um, because the number one question they wanted to know was, am I pro or against the vaccine? That has nothing to do with what, what, with what I do. We don't give vaccines. I don't care. I don't think they work, but I'm not the, the, the doctor to, you know, to, to tell a patient that I'm the doctor that when you get sick, you come and get treated. You know, I want to be a part of that conversation. Let me be a part of that pipeline. If something's going on because we're

[01:01:59] a border town, I should be able to call somebody at HHS and say, Hey, this is what I'm seeing. This is what's going on. This is what's working. This is what's not working. That message gets delivered to the HHS director. There's a communication that says, Hey, we have a problem here. Let's stop it now. Or let's fix it now. Not wait and wait and go through, you know, six months of channels and what's going to happen here. And what are you seeing? And what does

[01:02:27] the research say? And what do, what does, you know, uh, Harvard have to say about this? I mean, who cares? Harvard's not in El Centro. Harvard doesn't practice medicine on the border. Right. I mean, that's common sense. You know, I don't care what degree you have. What are you seeing? What's going on? Because we were seeing this in December, not January, February, in December,

[01:02:56] we had diseases in December and I had sick people that were not flu related. And I remember this very, very clearly. This is not the flu. This is something else. And we had no channel for help. We didn't get the national guard out here until June of 2020. We had no PPE. We had no supplies.

[01:03:23] We had no testing. We had no nothing. You know, I had to go out. I got a $250,000 loan to purchase supplies and medications and everything that we needed to treat sick and dying people. That's what I had to do because I had zero help. I couldn't get help from hospitals, the public health department, nobody. I couldn't get ahold of anybody. Nobody wanted to talk to me.

[01:03:53] Crazy. Yeah. That's what needs to change. Absolutely. That has to change. And maybe these videos will help us get some of those lines of communication open. They need to be open. And you're right. What you see on the border is often different than what you're going to see in the heartland of the country. And we need, we especially need those lines of communication open in your part of the country and in McAllen,

[01:04:20] Texas and in other places that are along the border. Yeah. 100%. 100%. You know, I'm, I'm here. I'm willing to have those conversations. If anybody's, you know, in the government wants to listen, I'm willing to have that conversation because we're still open. We're still seeing patients every day. Dr. Brian Tyson, thank you so much for joining me today. And thank you for everything you did to treat patients early and to save lives during COVID.

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