Vitamin D Cut Intensive Care Risk 90%: The Study Washington Buried | Dr. Daniel Stock

[00:00:00] Dr. Daniel Stock is a physician practicing direct primary care. He watched a lot happen with COVID and he has the lessons that he thinks we all need to learn so that we can prevent the disaster from the lockdowns from happening in the future. I'm Jenny Beth Martin, and this is The Jenny Beth Show.

[00:00:31] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. Dr. Daniel Stock, thank you so much for joining me today. Pleasure to be asked, Alan. So before we get into Dr. Fauci and his testimony and the government's response to COVID, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself and where you're from, where you practice medicine and your expertise?

[00:00:52] Sure. I'm a functional family medicine physician, practiced routine functional family medicine until about 10 years ago, employed by a hospital for the longest period of time, and finally complained enough about the interference they were having in our practice enough that they asked me to go find other employment, which was actually terrifying for a while, but the best damn thing that ever happened to me.

[00:01:19] And started up my own direct pay functional family medicine practice, meaning that I don't take any third party payment. I've been working on governments, governments, insurance companies, and I've practiced that way since about 2017 full-time. um and how does how does that work with your relationship with your patients does it make it

[00:01:49] easier or more difficult since they're not using insurance you know for most of my patients come to me because they want that relationship they've begun to realize that right now if you're taking money from a third party that third party has a financial gun to the doctor's head he can always choose to say i'm not going to give you money and i'm not going to give it back to you mr patient so you can give him the money i'm just going to keep it and if that doctor gives the

[00:02:19] advice i don't want given or doesn't give the advice i do want given then i will financially harm him and uh patients have come to me many of them even before covid but after covid that reality became starkly real to everyone and patients said look if i'm going to buy advice from somebody i want to believe that there is no financial conflict of interest in that advice

[00:02:46] and i think it it actually was um helpful to a lot of the patients who were looking for me because like look he won't let lab companies give him money he won't let supplement companies give him money um the only person who can hurt this guy financially is me as patient and honestly it simplified the relationship so well um because you know functional medicine's scary there's a you know the traditional

[00:03:13] medicine tends to give people the idea that we have this all worked out and we know what we're doing in every instance functional medicine kind of tries to give people that same feeling um but it's not like that and so there's a lot of trial and error and faith that when this guy does this trial nothing's clouding his vision and there are a lot of patients who are like you know like

[00:03:37] this is the situation i wanted is i have somebody he may be too dumb to cure me but he's not going to fail because he's ignoring something he shouldn't ignore um and he's got no biases and so it gave them faith to say we're going to stay through this until they were better and that's what they wanted was hey i don't want a system that treats me the way everybody else has been treated in medicine right now so it's

[00:04:04] been nothing but great for them and me i always tell my patients you know i can live with your firing me because i'm not smart enough i can't live with your staying my patient when i'm not doing the best i could be doing that i can't do um and so it's been wonderful for both of us i sleep very well at night knowing that if i screw up hey you know it's it's because of my incompetence not because i am somehow

[00:04:29] incompassionate yeah and i think that well first i doubt that you're too dumb to treat patients i think that doctors and and patients even oftentimes especially patients think they they can go to a doctor when something's wrong and the doctor it's going to have every single answer and know exactly what's going on and when you have something that happens to you and the doctors just don't have any idea why

[00:04:55] and and all they can do is sort of treat the symptoms and try to work around whatever is going on it it makes you realize that doctors really are human they're not they're not superhuman you know i i tell them my brother's an electrical engineer if he's designed a circuit and it's not working right he can take it to the oscilloscope take it apart new pieces and all like that figure out exactly what's wrong with it you know we can't do that with humans and uh it's hard to get research spent on anything

[00:05:24] curative uh we saw this in covid as well that the money's all being spent on the next blockbuster drug even by the government and nobody's researching these things you're curative so you know there are things that i know are wrong with you but i don't know how to test them and i don't want the i don't know what the test numbers mean if i get them back so we've got to do a trial and error in the traditional health care system you get punished for even attempting that um and most patients i don't

[00:05:54] think would have the faith to go through it with you anyway because you know you there's just a lot of reason to believe that if i do take a gamble here that gamble is going to be clouded by some other conflict of interest i have but uh it's important for patients to the Dr. Fauci doesn't have it all worked out dan stock doesn't have it all worked out uh there isn't this test i can do that will tell me exactly what needs to happen for you that there's going to be a lot of trial and error in your symptoms

[00:06:23] and the time we spend getting that from you is going to be very important in trying to solve this that is um very it's a good way for people to think about how they need to or how they can maybe need and should are not the right words to use but how they can think about their relationship with their doctor and you've been doing this since 2017 before covid happened how did you how do you think

[00:06:50] that that prepared you to be able to respond to covid well you know the nice thing was i had um four years of practice of ignoring the health care system and just thinking about biochemistry and what my patient was telling me i had no financial guns to my head from anybody um i like to tell people the only person who can really do anything to me is the medical licensing board of Indiana and our attorney

[00:07:14] general has them under control so um it was it was wonderful that when the data started to come out i could go through scientific method using my understanding of basic biochemistry physics and anatomy reason what we knew from biology to that point and say hey does this or make sense or does that make sense or is there something wrong here um and i could do all of that without financial

[00:07:37] threat um i didn't have to worry about somebody hurting my family um and it as this thing started to unfold it frankly made it very easy to disagree with what was going on because it's like well i you know i just have to think but when i think i don't come up with what you guys are thinking um and i i don't your explanations make no sense to me they're counter to the facts we already know

[00:08:04] so it allowed me to look at patients i in fact everyone at first started off i had one of my patients said to me i noticed you're not wearing a mask in the office i was like well yeah i had no reason to believe it's going to make either of us better in fact it'll probably make us worse what like well let me explain it to you and i was just calm as i could be explaining but they were oh you know like i don't have you know i have no reason to lie to you if you want to wear a mask you're welcome to wear one i'm not going to wear one but uh you know but this is why and i could

[00:08:32] say it to him very calmly because i knew look um i know i i've got this argument handled i've thought it all out um i've looked at their arguments i've heard their arguments be challenged and seen how they responded i think i can very intellectually tell you what's going on here it'd be pretty close to reality with it and most of my patients were like oh we hadn't no one said any of that we haven't

[00:08:57] heard that and they were comfortable with it too and when did patients when the covid first began and when covid first began for i when i'm seeing that when people realized that it was happening it was mid-march of 2020 of course it began before that and china had shut down before that and there was rumblings that america was going to shut down as well even though most americans weren't paying

[00:09:25] attention to it until about mid-march of 2020 when everything indeed just shut down and a lot of people thought it happened almost immediately even though discussions about it had been going on for nearly 10 weeks what how quickly did you see patients coming in to to see you related to covid what were they frightened and how how are you able to help them and also did you have to close your your practice

[00:09:53] at the beginning during the the two weeks to slow the spread and and the extra month on top of that and then other seats just kept on and on and on for way too long um well no because i was an independent provider um we just didn't close and i told patients look if you want to do this by video or phone i'm happy to but i'm also happy to see in the office i'm not scared of this um you have to remember that

[00:10:19] my patient population already had very high vitamin d levels and already had good zinc status so i did not get a lot of my private patients who were already in my practice come to me with an illness they already had a lot of the stuff to make it so they were pretty bulletproof on this few of them did they had a little bit of symptoms but it was something that we were easily able to get through nobody ended up near a hospital uh with the exception of one gentleman who went against my

[00:10:47] advice because i said well we got other things we can do here and uh he went anyway and luckily his wife smuggled in all the stuff to keep him alive and the hospital did nothing for me he walked out healthy anyway um they just gave him oxygen which is what i was going to have him use at home and uh so it really wasn't much of an effect on the patients that were already in my practice uh what rapidly started happening was people hearing hey you're willing to still do stuff that the

[00:11:17] government's telling us not to do and our referrals uh just picked up rapidly um people like well yeah dr stock's not wearing masks and he's still willing to see you face to face and if you're coughing he's not afraid of your coming into his office and uh and so it actually um it was actually quite beneficial for our practice we we grew rapidly because it was like hey dr stock's gonna have a

[00:11:41] conversation and nothing is off the discussion table uh to go into and then i there were some there are people who wanted to say covet was not a big deal at all i don't think that you're one of the people who said covet was not a big deal it did affect some people and some people were i mean there were people who got sick period but some people got much sicker than than other people were

[00:12:10] you seeing uh patients especially from the expanded practice that you had who were very sick and you were were you able to help them and how did you learn or how did you realize which which protocol you would use and what you thought would treat them the best uh so you have to remember mine's kind of a skewed experience because all my people had great vitamin d levels and no biotoxin exposure great zinc levels coming in but as they started to refer me people in it you know i was watching pier

[00:12:40] cory and the people that uh who were in uh the uh on the airwaves also criticizing this uh trying hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin i was seeing good results with this i had people contacting me because they have loved ones in the hospital and were being denied care and they were asking me to come to the hospital where i would see some just disastrously managed cases um and when i say that i want to

[00:13:09] qualified people it's been a long time since i've done any work in an intensive care unit uh but when i was doing intensive care units if we put a tube down your throat for a ventilator and we weren't going to do this for just a day or two you were already on iv you were on iv fluids immediately and nutrition within days because you couldn't take food or fluid on your own and uh i saw people they would these desperate people would ask me to come see their loved ones in the hospital i walk in

[00:13:35] and see somebody's been on a ventilator for a week getting no iv fluids and get no fertile nutrition of any form and uh thinking to myself what has gone wrong in medicine i mean i can make no sense of why this is happening and i saw just disastrous outcomes from those people who are already in hospitals um by the time that i was asked to consult on their case of course none of the hospitals would give

[00:14:01] me any privileges um but uh i i saw just management that i could not understand and i saw terrible things happening i mean i would for all the people who are virus deniers i would say look there's a lot of evidence that virus really did exist and the modification they made to it was designed to amplify inflammation just through the roof um in fact the worst sore throat i ever had i'm pretty sure i got

[00:14:29] in february of 2020 from having covid lasted three days and was gone um but i tell people this was a really mean virus they constructed it uh therefore it it it did a lot of bad things i don't think it did as many bad things as the governor response to it did and we missed all the opportunities to do it better

[00:14:53] and what do you think were the missed opportunities you know the the worst one in my opinion was uh activated vitamin d uh for people on this who may not know when you take vitamin d that's a precursor that doesn't work yet it has to be converted to your liver to the active form and the active form if you're really sick the liver can have trouble converting it during a time when you're really sick

[00:15:21] so there was a study done that was published actually um about two months before the first vaccine rolled out where they took a group of people who are already hospitalized for covid 19 they had just been admitted they weren't in the icu they're already taking both the zithromycin and hydroxychloroquine and these people randomized either getting the active form of vitamin d or getting a dummy pill so it was a

[00:15:48] placebo-controlled randomized double-blinded trial this is the high level very certain science that if you're a science geek you love this trial and it reduced your risk of going to the intensive care unit by 90 percent which was highly statistically significant um and it it 100 percent reduced the risk of dying now that number was small not statistically significant because there's only 76 people in the

[00:16:15] trial but i tell somebody when you reduce the risk of going on to the intensive care unit by 90 percent and you and you've rapid change i mean it's like within days the rate of going to the icu just dropped like a great it was better than ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine um that was to me that that we rolled out a vaccine when we already had by the way it was 30 over the counter to treat the to treat with this stuff

[00:16:44] um it became the oh my god we've gone to a a highly untested best research suggests harmful vaccine therapy we're stopping people from getting the monoclonal antibodies we've damned ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine which those three things actually had data said they worked no one will talk about inhaled steroids as bad as those were the fact that no one reacted

[00:17:12] properly to that study on an activated vitamin d with its the greatest activity at any trial i've seen or anything done on covet 19 it's going to be the biggest mess we've had in medicine that i can remember uh it is the effect was so great the side effects for less than placebo um the costs were

[00:17:35] nil it was just such a horrible failure and and it was the the it was the peak of the iceberg of failures of the government in my mind um that would that would be my biggest failure but it was a the biggest among monumental failures yeah they had so many uh failures and the fact that they were ignoring that when it's something that you can take it doesn't harm you the the side effects

[00:18:05] one thing i learned from covet is that doctors i i should have known it i suppose before but i it really just was drilled into my head doctors are constantly weighing the um risk first risk versus benefits and the risk of taking vitamin d versus the benefits of having taken it are the benefits outweigh the risk so much the fact that they weren't willing to say let's try this and urge people to go

[00:18:31] get vitamin d instead of all the stupid masks that they knew weren't going to do anything to help people it's maddening the way that they treated the way that they treated the virus but more importantly it's maddening the way they treated all of us as americans yeah i mean that they're they're abuse of scientific method they're i would say abuse um their total disregard for and their

[00:18:56] misuse of it as a matter of fact um when people say you think they ignored that vitamin d data said well no they didn't ignore it they reacted to it i actually found out that we sponsored a trial on vitamin d that was so badly done i even interacted with the researcher who did it and ask her why did you design a trial this poorly you dosed it wrong you didn't measure the results right i mean this was

[00:19:23] just a badly thought out trial and her response was oh those are very good points and i later found out that she had been funded from a group that was funded by the nih so their response to vitamin d and its stuff on this was actually pay somebody to do terrible scientific method to conclude that it was useless um so it's like they didn't even i tell you they didn't really ignore it they reacted to it

[00:19:48] with propaganda and it was horrible to see that happen and they did the same with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and at every step scientific method was abandoned and this science religion was used as a tool of propaganda and i can think of no kinder way to put it there was active ignorance all over the board here yeah you're exactly right when it came to hydroxychloroquine they did some sort of study

[00:20:17] and cited it and the people who they were giving i what i heard from from doctors during the early part of 2020 is hydroxychloroquine is going to help you in the early phase of covid if it is a later phase of covid there you have to treat the inflammation and you're going to need steroids and oxygen and other things to help but in the early phase it is very helpful in preventing the virus from replicating

[00:20:43] so that in multiplying so that it doesn't um over overcome your body well they did study a study the the the dr fauci and others were citing about hydroxychloroquine and they were testing it at the end of covid not at the beginning when the outcomes were not going to make as much of a difference and then i think that the henry ford medical school did a study on it that was favorable

[00:21:11] about hydroxychloroquine and then they just ignored that they didn't want to have anything to do with that and dr um ladapo and um dr rish so joe ladapo is now the um general yeah the florida surgeon general dr harvey i think rish is an oncologist at one of the ivy leagues i think at yale maybe epidemiologist

[00:21:38] i believe yeah he's an epidemiologist and also an oncologist both and they were working on i think peter mccullin may have been involved in it as well we looking at all the metadata rely related to hydroxychloroquine and then you would hear from the the um scientific community within the government that oh no you can't look at just metadata because that's not double blind it's not a double blind

[00:22:04] study it it's just it's it's craziness and i know somebody who recently when you were talking about needing to have when you were talking about that study related to vitamin d and you said well it wasn't a perfect study because there were 67 people involved but but it was a good study it was double

[00:22:25] blind it's like their gold standard um i know somebody who was on gabapentin recently and it and i was there have been reports that that it may have some very negative side effects especially related to alzheimer's and so the person was trying to get off of it and they were told by their doctor that oh well the studies for that there really haven't been good studies about whether you should should be on it or

[00:22:55] not and those studies are compiling information like they just completely downplayed the study about the risk and then the doctor apparently told the the patient but there is a study with one patient with one patient and they said if you you come off of it too quickly like you could wind up in the icu or die or something and it may be true it coming off of medicine is as dangerous as going on it but i just

[00:23:22] am thinking there is a study with thousands of people in it maybe it's a study looking at metadata and then you're gonna you're gonna downplay that but one person you're going to look at and say but this was the perfect study i it just it they don't even make logical sense they get stuck in this the doctors especially in university systems they just like get stuck in these boxes and they forget how to think

[00:23:49] well you know and and that's not accidental uh people need to know that um it's been over a decade now that doctors have practiced with this financial gun to their head and uh they get punished if they think and come up with anything other than the protocol they're given right now so nobody should be surprised that they're unable to think after all that they're families and they get hurt if they think

[00:24:17] so they have lost that capability i mean when you're a researcher at the nih you aren't selected to work there because boy everybody in the community knows you're the best scientist in the world you're working there because your particular biases make you profitable to the people at the nih and the people who are their patrons and so it's very likely that you're not

[00:24:41] the smartest tool in the shed it's likely that you're here because you're willing to ignore the stuff that you have to ignore be profitable and if you do that long enough it becomes your habit and you can't stop um you know this is why i uh i made myself so i couldn't have financial biases so nobody could threaten me but my patient but i i tell people you have to understand what you're in a system that does the way we do health

[00:25:10] care nowadays the doctor is going to be afraid to think that he and his family have no benefit in thinking they can only lose um that's how little control the patient has over the health care system now and what we saw was this pile of ignorance that was masquerading as science coming out of the nih

[00:25:33] and the cdc and the fda um you know the best example was the initial hydroxychloroquine study that they used to say you know it was oh it had terrible side effects you shouldn't use it what i was looking is that the dose you're giving people is eight times the dose i would give somebody with covid why did you do a study with that dose we had no reason to believe that dose was going to be useful why did you start it when they were a week into the disease of none of us would have done that

[00:26:02] we wouldn't have your test you might as well test birth control pills in the men's locker room i mean you can do a good study on that but who cares uh we it's a foregone conclusion before you start it and uh then we see a study like the vitamin d study that i quoted earlier which while it was small the scientific method was just inarguable it was a beautifully done study yes i would have loved it

[00:26:26] to have 5 000 people in it but you don't need that to start this thing off and so i tell people um i don't criticize the study um because it was small it was very convincing but i look at what they're putting forward oh here we have this study and i look at the biases they're putting into it and i tell people that this is very low quality scientific method i mean there's

[00:26:54] different degrees of quality of scientific method if we use all the information we get but i don't take a well-done placebo-controlled randomized double-blinded trial in an appropriate people used with an appropriate protocol and ignore that in favor of the the metadata that you're bringing out especially when you're using doses you know eight times that would be useful and in people who should would have never been given it at this stage in their disease like well i'm not going

[00:27:22] to discount what i've seen here that's called the hierarchy of evidence you're you're basically telling me to ignore the hierarchy of evidence well that's not something you would rationally do unless you had a financial gun to your head and that is how our health care system works now well and it it it has as you said been working that way for over a decade we my organization and i

[00:27:48] fought against the government takeover of health care with obamacare and and you are living proof that we didn't succeed in that but there have been benefits such as what you're doing with the the direct primary care and others who are seeking out that kind of of medical treatment when you watched dr fauci at the hearing recently the senator Rand Paul dr senator Rand Paul chaired

[00:28:17] what what were you thinking and did you read his diaries what what were you thinking especially as it because we've been talking about this today relates to the scientific method and how he was all mr science and then we see in his diaries it didn't match what he was saying publicly um you know i would answer that from two different perspectives um first of all uh covet 19 was never a disease of uh viruses it

[00:28:46] was a viral infection but it was disease of inflammation regulation and immune system regulation and the man's a virologist he's not good at either of those nevertheless um his standing in his and his experience in doing these diseases clearly should have led him to recognize that what he was saying was not rational i also take it from the perspective of man who studies a lot of body language and facial expressions

[00:29:15] every day because that's what you do as a family doctor and neurobiology is a particular interest of mine and i can tell you what i saw through him in that um in that hearing was a man who realized he had no place else to go if he was going to escape the realities that he had been ignoring he was going to have to put maximum effort into it and the man's facial expression his body language indicated

[00:29:44] that he was expending an enormous amount of his nervous energy trying to block a reality that he did not want to see um it was there was no question that what he has been saying i mean back in 2020 i knew what he was saying didn't reflect reality uh by that time we already knew hey look it's an aerosol virus uh mass six feet isn't going to make a difference masks aren't going to make a difference

[00:30:10] we already had treatments that he had debunked that you couldn't debunk logically because they had placebo-controlled randomized double-blinded trials and by the way that's not just vitamin d hydroxychloroquine had them ivermectin had them steroids had them yeah um we had so many treatments that had already had placebo-controlled randomized double-blinded trials that showed they helped um that what i saw was a man i i i would put it akin to a man testifying at the nuremberg trials after

[00:30:40] world war ii um trying desperately to keep himself from letting the reality of what he'd done land on his own consciousness um that would be my interpretation of it now i can't dig in a man's head i can't say i know what was there um i did watch the entire hearing i read many of the excerpts of his diary um you know uh i always when people ask me dr stock are you a uh an md i tell him yeah but

[00:31:09] let's put that in perspective i have the same credentials that anthony fauci has so you tell me what md means to you right now all right um and um as i was watching his diaries i was like you know look i have never wanted um spotlights on me like this this is um you know when the spotlight got

[00:31:32] on me it was more a a very nerve-wracking uncomfortable thing it was you could tell that it was going to have an effect on your ego unless you were very careful while it was on you this man seemed to enjoy that spotlight um it didn't seem to recognize the effect it was going to have on him um given that the things he had already ignored how much work he was going to have to put in to

[00:31:58] continue to ignoring those the diary showed no insight into his own conflicts of interest um and that his heart was in other places besides using scientific method to better the outcome of the american population yeah i i don't think that his diaries had very much introspection at all it was more just look at me and this is what happened to me and this is what in it wasn't introspective

[00:32:24] like in some people journal for the sake of trying to become better people and other people journal just to document everything that happened and i'm not you can have whatever reason you want to write down down things he sure did not seem like he was looking for a lot of introspection there except for maybe the fact that he um was the most popular man in the entire world at that moment he he thought um

[00:32:53] he i i i i he he looked uncomfortable to me but perhaps he was uncomfortable for the reason that you you were saying when when and maybe part of it also is just some sort of cognitive dissonance you don't want to admit that you cause problems so you just have to keep keep ignoring what's right right in front of you

[00:33:16] the the problem is the response that we got from him and from the government at large especially the federal government these government agencies the nih the cdc um and then the american pediatric association or the national uh whatever the school board the national education association they um

[00:33:42] they would it it prevented any real accountability so he would say something or dr burks would say something or the cdc would say something and they'd all say well we're not we can't issue mandates we're just saying don't go outside or close all the schools or six feet distancing or quarantine or whatever the quarantine healthy people or whatever the the rule of the day was you know one day it would be don't

[00:34:11] wear a mask and it's wear a mask and it's double masks and it's in 95 and then it's cloth you know you name it whatever happened to be for that day um but there was no one to hold accountable so then you would have i i heard i've seen some of the the liberal response to to it and even what dr fauci has tried to say is that i didn't i wasn't making all the mandates i wasn't creating the mandates other

[00:34:39] people were making the mandates right but they were all pointing to you and they were saying well this is what it has to be this is why we have to do it and i i was in touch with some governors around the country who were saying i can't do more because the cdc won't change and if the cdc doesn't change i can't i can't step outside of what the cdc is recommending and it it created this huge huge mess

[00:35:05] where no one was held accountable and everyone pointed fingers to someone else and then all of america was suffering because of it you know um one of the bright spots of this covet thing is i got to do lectures with some remarkable human beings um robert malone dr robert malone probably the foremost among them who realizing that they had microphones in front of them and that they had video cameras on

[00:35:32] them and the power that was giving them their reaction to this was to speak more carefully and more completely uh not to go into uh polemic statements uh not to make accusations that they could not say unless they qualified this to say hey here's how sure of this i am and how sure of this i'm not i got to watch that understanding that when people pay attention to you they are giving you power

[00:35:58] and it must not be abused dr fauci and everybody at the cdc can't deny that they had that kind of power on them and their response to it was nothing but abuse rather than speaking circumspect and saying the same things out loud that they were writing in diaries or talking with each other their responses

[00:36:20] were in entirely ignorant over the top poorly thought out um manipulative in a negative way at is the kindest thing i can say about it um and i have seen people through this on our side of this debate we were much better able to handle that microphone i can tell you here in indiana um i i did not give a

[00:36:45] pass to the people in my legislature i understood why they took no action against our governor certainly every lobbyist with campaign cash was threatening them as well but when i sat down and talked with my legislators i told them look you're in indiana you can you can cancel we're in this is in the early 21 right now you can pass a law that the governor if he vetoes it

[00:37:12] you can override his veto with a simple majority your legislature you legislators have responsibility for this continuing debacle going on uh i won't let you out of that you don't get to say dr fauci knew in fact i did a lecture in 2021 for the indiana senate um i went through the biochemistry of here everything they're doing that's wrong here's from the physiology of fast to the biochemistry of immune

[00:37:37] system reactions to this vaccine here's everything they're doing that is absolutely wrong and our senate took no action uh neither are a house of representatives and so i told them look i'm not going to let you out of this people needed to know you had this i understand the situation you're in so i don't condemn you in the same breath that i condemned dr fauci um but i'm not going to pretend that you didn't have the ability to stop this um our governor at the time eric holcomb basically

[00:38:06] has no place in indiana politics right now because he's a poison no one wants anything to do with him the entire state loathes him and so he's had his accountability as best he can get it um i think many of our legislators are are uh happy this has passed and that many people have not felt them out but i would tell dr fauci saying that you weren't the one who in who entered who issued the edict

[00:38:35] does not mean you did not have culpability in this especially since um the way public health has been taught for decades now you knew the consequence of this and jenny beth i think that's something that the audience should know i have colleagues who graduated from the schools of public health who have confirmed that what public health is basically being taught is you don't think until you get to the upper echelons of public health until then you do what they tell you and if we

[00:39:03] let you into that club then you'll be allowed to think they don't tell them you're not going to get into that club unless you think profitably but they are taught not to question and think independently our um uh department of health the chief of our department of health here was a a physician that i knew in practice and at the time she was in practice at ob-gyn she was one of my most reliable and insightful ob-gyns left practice went into public health training and proceeded to make

[00:39:33] the most irrational uh decisions all of them based upon this is what the cdc has said wouldn't enter debates you know offered to do this said let's sit down and go over the data of this would not do that publicly would not engage in a debate um and i tell people people should know dr fauci knew this was how public health was going to react to the words that he said and he said them anyway he said them knowing that

[00:40:03] he was not telling the complete truth when he didn't frankly lie that he wasn't telling the complete truth and he knew the effect that incomplete truth was going to have on a public health system that had already been punished for thinking independently that it would never do so so he he can't say that i'm not the guy who did the mandates he knew the power he had he knew his diary indicated he knew the power he had and he was choosing to abuse it he did know the power that he had you don't sit there and think

[00:40:32] you're the most recognizable person on the face of the planet without understanding that you've got an enormous amount of power no normal and he's not an he's not an idiot he he's an intelligent man he has the capability of thinking so he he he had to have been aware that he possessed a lot of power i mean in his diary he bragged about the fact that he talked the mayor of new york city into closing

[00:41:00] schools right he even took credit for that that he had talked him into it and and you're right the man's not an idiot he's an ignoramus he chooses to ignore the reality that he doesn't want to pay attention to at the time well yeah you know dodger stocks he that is exactly right he did that throughout the entire the entirety of the the pandemic he would just ignore giant swaths of americans you're

[00:41:28] suffering your kids are suffering you're not getting the treatment that you need hospitals are telling you go home and if you really are sick come back but we're not giving you anything not even a tylenol to to help you he just completely turned his back on those people and during that hearing as the people in the audience were standing up answering uh senator marino's questions who here was affected by

[00:41:53] all of the policies and negatively affected and in many of the people in the audience stood up he he wouldn't turn and look at them and that's exactly what he did for the last six years he refuses to look at the consequences his actions had and i'm not saying he didn't pay attention to the the people who were the sickest i i don't think that his treatment for them was was necessarily the best course of action

[00:42:21] but i do think he was paying attention to the people who were the most sick i i i think that at least his attention was over on that side but then you have all the rest of america and he they were just shunned he just shunned them you know i uh i think there were many many more people he ignored than he paid attention to and frankly i don't think he was letting anybody's disease state have any effect on his thinking

[00:42:47] he had um you know exactly what was motivating him to make the half truths and lies that he told you know we can never for sure know somebody's motivation but i tell somebody i don't really care what the motivation is and i don't care whether you're a mustache twirling villain or whether you're an out-of-control ignoramus you still do damage um equally well he was just as ignorant to his colleagues

[00:43:13] um you know those of us who are involved in the uh global health summit and the pandemic health alliance who are trying to get him to come to debates or anybody at the cdc to come to a debate we offered them multiple times no one or any of the representatives would ever come to a debate they were invited to all of senator johnson's hearings he would never come to the hearings that he

[00:43:37] invited them to um there was so much out of control ignorance in the federal response to this and it was the evidence and his testimony spoke to the fact that now he was using all of his efforts in ignorance um like you say he he wouldn't even turn around and look at the people and i know look he's never been a practicing physician uh he hasn't treated a patient no thing since he was in

[00:44:02] residency or medical school um that doesn't mean that he didn't know he had power and that he was abusing it so what are the most important lessons that you think that we should learn from this and that you hope future generations learn so they don't repeat the mistakes that we endured you know the fundamental one ladies and gentlemen is that your government is for sale this didn't happen for no

[00:44:26] reason um if you study all of the laws that were passed that made this come about from the prep act to the baidol act of 1984 to the vaccine injury childhood vaccine injury act these were laws that were so foolishly crafted that ladies and gentlemen you can't get that stupid for free these legislators were financially influenced into thinking this stupidly the passing the laws that made this happen

[00:44:55] and ladies and gentlemen if you want to drag dr fauci out and shoot him in the streets i'm not going to get in your way other than to say hey the man should get a trial we should test that pardon first but i can tell you you're not going to get your freedom and your safety back by doing that you need to work on reforming your government stopping the effect that lobbyists are having because they're going to make another stupid law and we haven't repealed any of the stupid ones that made this

[00:45:22] one happen uh so you're going to get this right back again in the future they're going to wait until they think you forgot enough about this and they're going to play the same thing about this so ladies and gentlemen please get involved with your government fix your legislature so that we can have laws made that will prevent this from ever happening again um and then the next thing i would say that's

[00:45:46] that's the ultimate primary thing you have to do in the short term and then i'll let you go to the next thing just to be clear we're not advocating for violence of no in any way and um my my friend charlie kirk was assassinated so i just want to be clear on that yeah and i tell everybody look if i do this as a euphemism please understand ladies and gentlemen i i would never want mr fauci drawn out in the street and shot the man should have a trial if he's still entitled to one through that pardon if

[00:46:16] that pardon is found to be invalid the man deserves a trial and a punishment by a jury of his peers we are going to get nowhere with violence here until every other possible option has been tried and we have not tried for political reform yet all right that's right so let's get busy on that quit sitting around and watching that episode of the tv shows you're watching right now and instead concentrate on doing something to reform your legislature at the state and federal level so we can reform those laws

[00:46:44] in the meantime put as little money as you can into this health care system um get the highest deductible insurance policy you can and put the remainder of it in a health spending account or in your bank account find providers who are outside of the system who don't have guns to their head financially who are able to think through this without financial coercion don't give your money to an insurance company so that they can select which labs are best for you save that money so

[00:47:13] that you can get the labs you want to have done don't give them money to slick the medicines they think are right for you keep the money so that you can get the medicines and treatments that you want to have the the problem is as you put money into this health care system right now it becomes under control and it serves the hand of the person who holds it as soon as you've let go of it it's no longer serving you and in the meantime don't put money into this system um i'll tell everybody up front i'm not

[00:47:40] in this system so i have a financial conflict of interest as i tell you that because but ladies and gentlemen you tell me whether or not my advice sounds is sound after you see that testimony and you saw went what went down in covet 19 and by the way if you think the same thing hasn't been going on in diabetes care cholesterol transport management heart attack and stroke prevention cancer therapy ladies and gentlemen this is just the one that got into your face it's going on in every area of

[00:48:08] medicine right now yeah i think that that's right the the same kind of testing the same kind of it's the same people making the same rules and decrees and judgments so it it may not be affecting um our our day-to-day liberty when when we're not sick but it definitely is affecting the kind of care that we get when we are ill you know i tell people you have to understand i i like your doctor if if he's

[00:48:35] in the third party payment system i like him don't hate him guys he doesn't like this system either probably all right most of them probably didn't defend the response in fact i could tell you i had a video that got me some notoriety and when that video went out i had probably a hundred providers call me 99 of them said thank you i would have spoken out but i'm scared they knew this was wrong but ladies and gentlemen getting advice from that system right now is like asking the house in vegas if

[00:49:05] you should draw a card all right vegas is not going to get you the best advice on how to play poker all right they like it when you lose um and that is unfortunately the way this health care system is set up put as little money as you can keep as much as you can possibly keep in your own wallet those are that's really good advice so where would you recommend people go to find information about where they a direct primary care doctor near them you know if you just go searching under direct

[00:49:34] primary care practices in my zip code you're going to get multiple sources that are going to say hey here's people who are doing it this way there's all different ways that direct primary care is being financed with monthly visits uh excuse me monthly uh uh uh uh fees um there's people who are doing it by the visit people are doing blended methods of this um you'll find somebody who's doing direct pay

[00:49:59] medicine in a way that you're comfortable with um and i can tell you that it's not just an opinion here we actually have data that says things like um if you see a direct primary care doctor you'll have 60 percent less surgeries but you'll still be doing better than the people who are having the surgeries are um the lab costs go down markedly um you know what would people buy a lab through me

[00:50:25] it's usually one-third to one-tenth the price that they would pay for it through their insurance policy um you know this is the uh the magic that happens when you can have control over these dollars back it's uh and it's not just an opinion there's uh data sets that show this happens when your doctor is free to think without coercion he thinks much better and he thinks about you he doesn't have to

[00:50:54] think about his family no you know i tell people right now the reason i do the way i do is i didn't want you caught between me and my family my family's gonna win every time there all right i wanted it so you weren't caught in that meat grinder and your direct primary care doctor is no longer caught there um the only way he helps his family is by helping you and this is what i would encourage everyone to

[00:51:19] do they're even direct pay oncologists now um that you can go find somebody who's free to think as they need to think to to be worthy of your dollars um so i say i tell people don't hate your doctor in that system i'm not sure i'd employ him this is really good advice and i didn't know that there were direct or direct pay oncologists that is pretty amazing pretty amazing we have direct pay

[00:51:48] in nearly every specialty right now there's a very good neurologist here in indiana uh who left indiana university because he couldn't do the system anymore and uh a great neurologist who is outside the box directs pay answers to nobody but you there's a cardiologist of the same ilk around here um you know we've got people who are doing things that way now um i even know of a of a

[00:52:15] rheumatologist who treats people from arizona he's like look i'm direct i just don't do through insurance i'm free to tell you whatever i need to do um no one has that financial gun to my head that is absolutely amazing well dr stock thank you so much for joining me today thanks for sharing your experience and also helping people see that there are there are alternatives when it comes to what

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