Reserving the Right to Vote for U.S. Citizens Only | Becky Arps & Paul Jacob, OnlyCitizens.Vote

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But Kamala Harris has, in effect, announced her position and she has spoken out through the administration's official communication on Washington DC and they spoke out in favor of non-citizens voting including non-citizens in the country illegally.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Jenny Beth Martin is the co-founder of Tea Party Patriots. She is an author, a filmmaker and one of

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_00]: time magazines most influential people in the world. But the title she is most proud of is

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Mark to her boy girl twins. She has been at the forefront fighting to protect America's core principles

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: for more than a decade. Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show. This week is only Citizens Voting Week

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and to get more information and action items that you can take to engage in this issue

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: go to onlycitizensvotecoelition.com. In today's episode we have Paul Jacobs and Becky Arps

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_03]: we have been engaging this issue since 2018. You can check out their work at OnlyCitizens.Vote,

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_03]: OnlyCitizens.Vote, they're working to get amendments to state constitutions, so it's say,

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_03]: only citizens shall vote in those elections within a state. Let's hear what they have to say and

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: learn how you can get involved with these state initiatives. Paul and Becky think so much for joining

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: me today I'm really glad to have you. Oh, it's our pleasure. Yeah, definitely. So you are working

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_03]: on making it where citizen only voting becomes either either an amendment to state constitutions

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_03]: or passes through the ballot initiative process. Tell me a little bit about what you're doing

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_03]: with that and why you decided to get involved in citizen only voting?

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, years ago, 2018 we helped put a measure on the ballot and North Dakota. Friend it

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: come to me with this idea. I didn't dream it up and talked about having a national

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: constitutional amendment that would set it that only citizens are eligible voters and knowing

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: the dysfunction at the national level. I thought that's not going to go anywhere. And so I thought

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: we should try to at the state level. We did in North Dakota in 2018 it was late in a cycle and

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that was the state that we could still do something in and it won big two to one and then

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: we've worked to put them on the ballot via ballot initiative getting petition signed by voters.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We've worked to put them on the ballot through state legislative majors. There were three states

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Florida, Alabama and Colorado that passed them in 2020, two more states in 2022, Ohio and Louisiana.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And this issue, I think when we first discussed it with people, especially in 2018, 2019, 2020,

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: they would say really is this really happening? And of course there were already a dozen states that

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: had done it in Vermont, in Maryland and San Francisco did it in 2016. So it was already happening.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But people didn't really know about it. They'd been very quiet in moving these forward. And

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: when New York City did it, that really opened it off. We're talking 800,000 to a million on

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: citizens who would be eligible. That measure is still in court and we'll see whether it

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: ever takes effect. But then that was followed by Washington DC doing it. And in Washington's version,

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you can be in the country illegally. In fact, it's just so completely ridiculously drafted

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and now the law that the Chinese ambassador to the US could literally register to vote and decide

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: mayoral and ballot measure issues in Washington DC. You know, you can't vote in China,

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: but he could vote in Washington DC. It's ludicrous. And so people have been waking up

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: up to this. We've been doing our best to wake them up to it. And this year we have eight states

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: on the ballot. It would take the number of states that have citizen-only voting amendments to 20

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: if we win them all. And I think we have a good shot to win them all because I think the

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: public's overwhelmingly on our side. And to me, the importance of these ballot measures is that

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: so often there are issues that really royal, you know, rile up the American people and there's

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: very little they can do about it. They can elect this person or that person but then it goes to

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Washington or their state capital and they feel like they lose control of it. In these eight states

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: were 42 million Americans live. They're going to decide the issue and it doesn't, you know,

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: nothing's ever final in politics but I think the first key step is to make sure that our

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: constitution say only citizens of the United States can vote. And then of course there's always

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the challenge of enforcing it and so on. But to enable the public to weigh in and make that determination

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: to me as critical in solving the problem of non-citizens voting legally in so many cities and

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and they keep pushing another city. Santa, Amick, California would be on the ballot this November.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's largely at the local level with very liberal cities and it seems to me that we want to

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: win these happen in the eight states that you're working on. Are they initiatives or the

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: amendments to the constitution or is it just depends on the state? Well, in these eight states

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: legislators put an amendment to the constitution but in the other states where we've been involved,

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: some of them have been by an initiative but there's still initiative, constitutional amendments

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's critical that we put this in the constitution a number of states for instance North

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Carolina has this on the ballot. And they have a law that says only citizens can vote.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We want it in the constitution and the reason is very simple if it's in the constitution it

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: cannot be changed except by going back to the voters. If it's not in the constitution, it could be

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's been a partisan divide, not in the public. The Democrats, Republicans,

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: independence like the idea of making clear that only citizens should be voting but when it comes

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: to state legislators, it's been a real start divide. There've been some great state like Iowa

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: where every Democrat, every Republican and the legislature voted for it and put it on the ballot.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But in other states, Georgia, every Democrat voted against it and blocked it from going on the ballot.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Texas, it passed 29 to 1 in the Senate and then 58 Democrats in the House voted present

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: to block it. So they didn't have the courage about no but they didn't want it to happen. And of course,

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: all the places where it is happening is our very liberal cities. And when Washington DC did it,

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: it went to the Congress because in the constitution, the Congress has responsibility for Washington

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: DC and the House took it up and voted down the change, allowing citizens including illegal

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: non-citizens to vote. 52 Democrats joined Republicans to do that. But once it went to the Senate,

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: where Democrats control it went nowhere. Now, the single Democrat senator

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: lifted a finger to do anything about non-citizens, including non-citizens, year illegally voting.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The interesting part is in both New York City and in Washington DC, the mayor needed to sign off on it

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: or the mayor had the opportunity to sign off on it. And in both cities, the mayor chose not to sign

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: off on it. But they didn't help it.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Very interesting, kids, the mayor probably realizes that it can be harmful to the mayor later

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: if they want to get reelected. Definitely possible.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and for instance in New York we did a poll, right? We knew they were going to be voting

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and the week before that vote was going to happen the weekend. We did a poll in New York City

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and found that better than two to one, they opposed non-citizens being given the vote.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And yet when it went to their city council, they voted overwhelmingly in favor of it. In Washington

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: DC, there was only one discordant vote on the whole council. They unanimously were pushing it.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, Muriel Bowser, the mayor, would not sign onto it. I think it's because she realized

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: in a statewide election, it would be all the tross around her neck.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's plain exactly what it is that is in the initiative. And we kind of jump right

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: them without it's plain exactly what it is. And then how do you, it's plain further how you overcome

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the objections or that need your creation that people think well isn't it already illegal?

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what we're doing most state constitutions say that every U.S. citizen who is 18 years old and

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: you know has it lost their right to vote because of crime or you know having some sort of disorder

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: it says every U.S. citizen is an eligible voter or all U.S. citizens or eligible voters.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think most people have taken that or intended that to say that's who can vote. And

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're not a U.S. citizen, you cannot. However in California and in Vermont where they've done

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: this, the courts have upheld these local measures allowing not citizens to vote with the same

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: language. And specifically in the California case, the city of San Francisco said, if the

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: people who drafted the Constitution wanted to say only citizens, they should have said only

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: citizens that every citizen is a floor, meaning okay every citizen has that right but so could

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: other people. And and so by saying only we make that very clear and in fact the California Supreme

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Court or Court of Appeals, that's where it ended, they agreed with that analysis. And so

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: they said look we have to say only to make it clear and that's exactly what citizens and

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: eight states have a chance to do. And the reason it's important is because in many states and

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: states you're different and exactly how it works is slightly different but if you don't have

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: only U.S. citizens voting in your Constitution cities in the state that have home rule can change

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and allow non-citizens to vote. That's what's happened in San Francisco and Oakland,

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: California. That's what's happened in Vermont and in Maryland. So you really need to make this change

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and in some of these states obviously non-citizens are not legally voting yet but we want to

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: remove the possibility of that happening and basically in the most liberal cities getting the

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: vote, there knows under the tent and the best way to do that is to inform the public let's put it

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: on the ballot let's have a debate and then let's do it and in that debate so often the other

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: states says this is totally unnecessary and sometimes they'll say that it's already illegal for

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: now citizens to vote in federal elections and of course we're not talking about just federal

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: elections we're talking about state and local elections and so you know their whole push is we really don't

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: need this well that's not an argument against it there's nothing wrong with it now sometimes

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: they will try to also make arguments that somehow this is anti-immigrant that it's really we're just

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: against foreigners coming to the U.S. nothing could be further from the truth our president

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Aviam McCullough happens to be a naturalized citizen she came over as a as a kid from Brazil

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and she had to work to get her citizenship and you know tells a great story about how important it is

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to have that citizenship process so this is supported by people across the spectrum it's supported

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: by every minority group folks who are here from other countries who are immigrants

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: understand that it's you know you just don't wallets in and you get the vote especially if you're

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: here illegally they believe in a system they believe in this country and they believe in the

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: importance of citizenship and I think at the core of this is a I think there are folks around the

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: country who would like to minimize the importance of American citizenship to devaluate and if you talk

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: to immigrants they don't want to devaluate American citizenship and they believe only citizens

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: should be voting Becky what is it the you see that is is our what kind of arguments do you guys

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: see that work to help convince legislators to put make these initiatives or valid amendments possible

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: so a lot of times it's convincing them of the fact that it could actually happen in their state

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: because a lot of times we'll say oh well this this will never happen here were a super red state in

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: fact we we just have that conversation multiple times in North Carolina the other legislature

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: kept saying well this isn't what happened here and I'm just like okay so say uh Raleigh which is a very

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: has a lot of different people from different countries living there say Raleigh decides to

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: allow non-citizens to vote how are you going to stop them oh well we'll just call the legislature in

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: okay so you're now going to try to meet with them and say or stop this once they start it so

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: you're going to take away somebody's vote which nobody really wants to take away somebody's vote

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: especially after they've been granted it or the other option is well we're a super red state right

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: now so it's never gonna happen in our state and then it's okay I I recognize that and I hope

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that that is forever true but someday you're not going to be in the legislature and maybe this

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: legislature won't be as conservative as it is right now so let's take care of it now while we can

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: as opposed to waiting until it becomes a big problem and generally with those those arguments in

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: mind they agree because ultimately they they're like yeah nobody should be not a citizen

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and voting in our elections I mean shoot the actor Canadian actor Ryan Reynolds

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: became a U.S. citizen because he wanted to be able to vote and he knew that was important

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: so Ryan Reynolds can get it then why can't everyone else and you know Jenny Beth the best argument

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and the thing that I think has moved legislators the most is the massive support among the public

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: when this has become a public issue and voters find out about it they contact their legislators

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and so this is you know it's an 8020 issue it's one in blue states and in red states

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and so part of the reason I think these are on the ballot in eight states is because legislatures

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: in those states knew the voters want a chance to weigh in on this and the initiatives say only

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: citizens can can vote does it do anything about requiring proof of citizenship to vote or with

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: that then become a function of the legislature well that is that would be something that you then

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: have to work to make sure that that people are showing and demonstrating that they're

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: they're a citizen when they register to vote and of course one state that's done that

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: there are several states that have been checking to make sure they're you know

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: checking their roles to make sure not citizens are not on them and and finding that non-citizens

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: are on the registration role so there's there's that aspect of it but the the key it seems to me is

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to get these past and then move to require people to register to vote to prove it.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: No one's going to go back and require you know millions of people who are already registered

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: to vote to go down and and show ID but one state that has done this is as you're well aware

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: as Arizona and Arizona requires proof of citizenship to register to vote they were taken the court

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and the court basically ruled that because the federal form and this is what the save act is

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you well know as all about the federal form allows people to simply check a box and say I am a citizen

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and to register to vote and and so in Arizona they don't people who can't prove that their citizens

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: are not able to vote in state and local elections but they can get on this federal only voting

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: which is just absurd and vote in federal elections so when you read articles which I read all the

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: time about this issue and and they in essence say well this is already taken care of at the

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: federal level it is the law that you have to be a US citizen to vote but there is no enforcement

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: in fact there is an attempt by the federal government to stop the states from enforcing what is

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: the law so we think it's critical that people take a couple of seconds to consider this and when

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: they do they want to make it the law let's put it in state constitutions you know the states

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: are the laboratories of democracy it's where the voting process in the federal constitution

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you know they give that to the states to determine and so it's really critical that we take the

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: vote by the horns and and set the policy only citizens vote at all levels yeah the the thing in

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Arizona is one of the most disturbing things to me that that I found when I'm looking into when

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: if research election integrity issues well there are a lot of things actually they're very disturbing

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: about it but this one is very disturbing because you realize that they've got two different

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_03]: ballots so you've got the full ballot for federal elections meeting presidents Senate Congress and then

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: it also includes the state and local elections all on one ballot and then they have another

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: ballot we just presidents Senate and Congress and it just when I heard that I just was so shocked by

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: it I had no idea and I think that actually the Supreme Court ruled the way that it should have

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the federal government is not doing things properly we need to square the law and get the law right

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and and so now it's time to get that right but man it's just it's craziness how how messed up

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: this is in the loophole are being exploited I don't know that they're being exploited on a massive

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_03]: scale but if you've got an election that is decided by just a few hundred or a couple thousand votes statewide

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: these kind of issues can make a real difference in the election so true so which you said eight states

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: which states are on the ballot in Becky you've worked I know you've given me some updates about

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: about that as well so which states and and and what are the initiatives on each of those states

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: well let me let me roll through them Iowa Idaho Kentucky Missouri Oklahoma North Carolina

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: South Carolina and Wisconsin and polls show in each of those states that these are wildly popular

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they may make a difference in getting voters to focus on this issue could certainly

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: have some collateral benefit or damage at the at the U.S. level at the presidential level for

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: races for governor and state legislature and of course North Carolina was constant our key swing

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: states so it'll be interesting to see here in the next what 54 days how that plays out but

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: you know I I note that Kamala Harris is from San Francisco where non citizens are today voting

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and including non citizens who are in the country illegally and that the Harris Biden or Biden

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Harris everyone to say it administration weighed into urge Congress not to stop DC's non citizen voting

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: law so I don't know that Donald Trump has ever announced what his position on this is and it

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: part that may be because I think every meeting knows what Donald Trump's position is on this but Kamala Harris

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: has in effect announced her position I don't know that she's ever spoken out about San Francisco

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but since they did it you kind of hope that she'd speak out against it and she has spoken out

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_01]: through the administration's official communication on Washington DC and they spoke out in favor

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: of non citizens voting including non citizens in the country illegally.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just unbelievable really when you think about it that I just think this is a one the one thing

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: that sets us apart from non citizens and in that in a United States passport these those two

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_03]: things that you apart from a non citizen once you're in this country we protect your rights we

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_03]: you wind it still being able to qualify for many of the federal programs that spend money on

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_03]: you but this is a one thing that distinguishes citizens from non citizens and a non citizen has a much

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_03]: different allegiance and also just understanding of how our government works to become a citizen

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: you have to understand a little bit about our history and a little bit more about our country

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think it I know that 87% of Americans think you should be a citizen to vote in our elections.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: No that's exactly right and in essence this is something that unites the country because it's

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a foundational concept that you know literally as you point out 87% of the people agree

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it's only really on the far left that they have pushed this and they've pushed it very quietly

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and you know in a few cities and and Becky and I were we're laughing a few weeks ago because

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: there was an article out of Dallas where they're talking about trying to push this again

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: they were going to allow non citizens on commissions in different governmental bodies

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was put to a vote years ago and Becky will bring all these acts of year but it was

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: defeated and then they're talking about bringing it back and in the article one of them mentioned

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: they did a poll they found that almost 20% of the people were in favor meaning 80%

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: plus of the people were opposed and they took that as a sign that maybe they should move ahead I mean

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: just you can't make this stuff up yeah when they said more than one in four people support this

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and that means that three don't wow that's just that is crazy it means three out of four

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: people don't want it why are you doing what one almost went out of four once and just four years

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: because they voted on it so part of what they do and they've done this in several different cities

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_02]: is they'll put it to a vote and it fails and they're just like well we just need to do

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: butter education people just need to understand this better something that's really fascinating

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: is there's a handful of cities in Massachusetts that have voted either through

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: their city councils or through an actual vote of the residents of the city to allow non-citizens

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but in Massachusetts it has to be approved by the legislature and the legislature won't

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: pick it up in a state as liberal as Massachusetts they recognize the problem

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: it's good that at least Massachusetts you know I will applaud the left when they do the right thing

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and applaud liberals when they do the right thing and I'm glad they're not doing that so it's good

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: they're not not taking that up it's unreal that they're trying to do this in Dallas again four

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: years later I guess that's part of the reason why making it a constitutional amendment winds

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_03]: of becoming so important because when you make it that constitutional amendment then it's locked

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: into the state's constitution and the neat thing is how is it locked in the constitution

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: if the people ever change their minds well it could be changed really quickly but the beauty of

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: it being in the constitution is the people have to change their minds a change of administration

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: a change of who controls the legislature that doesn't allow you know Democrats in in some state

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: to change the rules like this they have to go back to the voters and I'm you know look voters

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: aren't always right but they're sure right a lot more than politicians are so you know these

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: legislators who've done this and many of them have made it very clear we are not setting this policy

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: we're giving the people a chance to set this policy it was so frustrating in New York City

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: because like Paul had said mentioned earlier as the New York City Council was passing it we ran

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: a poll and the people of New York City didn't want this in they passed it anyway and what did

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_03]: your poll show how what was the percentage of people in New York you don't want it probably about

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: three and a half out of every four well there was there was a decent undecided but I believe

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: in I'm usually going numbers but I think it was 62% against and 19% for and the rest undecided

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: so from the people who made up their mind it was literally three to one against what the

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_03]: what the council then did that's just that is crazy so how can the people get more information

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and what can they do to help inform their friends and family and neighbors and voters in these eight

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: seats what what is helpful for the people listening to do for you you know if they will go to our

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: website only citizens dot vote we have a form there where they can sign up to say yes I'm

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm on board only citizens should be voting we will send them material anybody who signs up at

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: present we will send them a only citizen vote bumper sticker I mean it doesn't get any better than that

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and but one of the keys is to talk about this and because so often you know we we've run

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: advertisements that say hard to believe but true because people are skeptical that this could even be

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: happening and there's been all kinds of discussion about you know with a with chaos at the border

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and millions coming in about none citizens voting illegally and there's lots of disagreement

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: about how serious it is you know I would I would argue that anybody voting illegally is pretty

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: serious and we should do everything we can to prevent it but this issue really shows that this idea

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: that we're just going to dismiss this is crazy because we can document without any doubt

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: that there is city after city liberal cities big cities that are trying to change it to where

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: non citizens can vote and you know it it the only way to get that message out a lot of times

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: is by word of mouth because the mainstream media constantly wants to prove who this issue and pretend

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that it's not happening and they can try to pretend when it comes to illegal voting by non citizens

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but they can't pretend when it comes to legal voting because it's happening in 19 cities

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in four states there were other other cities like Boston where they're bringing it up

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Sanana and the California has it on the ballot this November and and just to go on a

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: tangent for a moment in Santa Ana they had a ballot title that said non citizens including

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: you know parents and and you know I can't remember what the other term was but it was

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: literally in the ballot title they're arguing that these are really nice people and a court said

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: no that's not legitimate you have to change that ballot title you can't make positive arguments

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in the ballot title and the city initially refused they were going to put it up the way they had it

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and the court kind of insisted that they actually give people a fair ballot title well why would

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: do that they would do that because they know the public is generally very much opposed to this

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: idea of giving the vote to non citizens and remembered of the 19 cities that are doing this

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: more than three-forced them allow non citizens in the country illegally to vote now how to people

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_01]: have trust in elections if you are allowing people who aren't even legally in the country to cast

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: ballots well people can come to our website citizen only citizens vote let me say it again since I

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_01]: messed it up only citizens dot vote we have a petition people can sign to say yes I'm in favor of

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: only citizens voting I oppose non citizens voting and if people sign up today on our website

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll send each and every one of them a bumper sticker that says only citizens vote our message is

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: very clear and simple and straightforward and and that's that's I think a key way that people

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: all over the country can get involved in these eight states that we rattled off earlier Idaho Iowa

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Kentucky Missouri North Carolina Oklahoma South Carolina in Wisconsin you have a measure on your

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: ballot this November and it's critical in those states and in other states that we talk about this

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: with our neighbors because the mainstream media who who's this that is not happening you know

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: this in voting and debating that and saying that's really not any problem and of course my view is

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: if anybody is voting illegally that's a problem we can argue about how significant but it's a

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: problem and we ought to try to solve it but what we're talking about are non citizens voting legally

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and a lot of these left wing cities trying to push this as a new you know right

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that people who are in the country illegally have some right to vote I think it's critical that we

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: talk about it because the mainstream media pretends it's not happening and and they can they can

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: pretend on on some of it they can't pretend in these nineteen cities nineteen cities today

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: are allowing non citizens to vote more than three force of those cities allow non citizens

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: in the country illegally to vote that's you know how you can have fair and transparent

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: elections when you're allowing people who are undocumented who are in the country illegally to vote

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: is beyond me and of course that's why more than than eighty percent of the American people oppose it

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and frankly it's not fair to those non citizens because if they accidentally get the wrong ballot

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: then their opportunity to become a citizen is put in jeopardy and it's it's while they'll say

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: it's it's fair and engaging them it's really not fair to the non citizen that they're putting

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_03]: at risk right you put them in jeopardy not just of being able to become a citizen but potentially

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: of even being allowed to stay in the country so it's not fair at all not even a little bit

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and being able to decipher and make sure that the people who are supposed who are citizens

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: have the ballot that has the federal elections and the ones who aren't citizens don't it becomes

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_03]: very confusing and it makes the election results take even longer and it puts the the outcome

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: of elections in it creates a little bit of doubt and a little bit of questions so all the way around

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: it is not good it isn't good for the non citizens it's not good for citizens and it's also not

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_03]: good for the integrity of the elections and faith in the outcome of elections and the whole concept

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: of citizenship you know around the world you know so many people in America want to beat up on

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: America but around the world the gold standard is American citizenship and I think that in at least

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: among some folks the non citizen voting push is an attempt to undermine citizenship because it is

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: the key thing that separates citizens from non citizens and again we don't say this because we're

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: on how don't like non citizens I love people all over the world I like immigration I think it's great

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that I mean we are country of immigrants and we will continue to be a country of immigrants

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's pretty simple come become a citizen join you know if you're going to vote on family

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: matters you have to join the family and and that's just common sense and that's really what

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: we're talking about before I got involved one of my closest friends is English she hasn't become a

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: citizen and I talked to her about you know what I was getting involved in and you know what she

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: okay with this and was just going to cause a problem and she's just like I would never think of

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_03]: voting here until I become a citizen even non citizens understand so it isn't it isn't that

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: difficult it should not be controversial and I'm so glad that both of you are working on this

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_03]: issue and I'm very hopeful that this passes in the eight states and then we'll have to have you come

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: back early next year in 2025 and talk about the other states you might be at spending into

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_03]: to continue this effort working to get it on the ballot and even more states going forward

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_03]: we'd love to do that absolutely thanks so much for joining me today Paul and Becky

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