Medicaid Fraud: How $180 Billion Vanished Into Home Healthcare │ Walter Curt

[00:00:14] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. Over the last five years, while most Americans were focused on inflation, the border, and a crime wave in their cities, the federal government was quietly funneling billions of dollars into a massive Medicaid home health care program. My guest today is the investigative journalist who broke the story open. Walter Curt is a senior fellow at Restoration of America and the founder of WC Dispatch.

[00:00:43] His article can be found at restoration-news.com and it's titled, Unbridled Spending, Billions for Medicaid Expansion Congress Never Approved. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin. Walter Curt, thank you for joining me today. Thanks for having me on. So tell me, what made you start investigating this situation with Medicaid, the Medicaid expansion programs?

[00:01:08] Well, the Medicaid expansion programs that I actually started looking at, it was kind of a offshoot of what I was originally looking into was snap fraud over in Ohio. But then in beginning of the year, Doge from HHS released a data set that they published for everybody to be able to see. And it was this gigantic 229 million row data set that they put out there. And as a result of putting that out there, once we started taking a look at the data,

[00:01:35] we realized that there is so much to look at here that we just started tearing it apart. And we first started in Michigan. And the more we look, the more we find. It really is incredible. So what is it that you're finding exactly? And before you tell me what you are finding exactly, what was in the data set exactly? And explain to people who maybe are not computer savvy what you mean when you say a data set. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:02:01] So what Doge actually released is the spending data for Medicaid. So what they pushed out was how much beneficiaries and providers are spending on Medicaid per provider, what the beneficiaries are charging. The only thing that they kept outside of this is they kept the names of the provider or the names of the beneficiaries themselves. The providers are listed, how much they spend per month, and that's how much they've put into the data set. And that is from 2018 through 2024 is the full data set that they released. Wow.

[00:02:31] That is a lot of useful data. So what did, and here's something I learned. I used to program computers. And what's really important for people to understand, there is data and then there's information. Data is raw rows like what you were seeing. It's just a whole bunch of points. And what you do, what you've done is turn it into information. So what did you find as you were investigating and what did it inform?

[00:03:01] Well, the first thing that we started looking at was we were trying to see what exactly was even there. I mean, there's, like you said, it was just this raw data dump, 229 million rows of information. What do we do with this stuff? How do we take it apart? So the first thing we did was they actually took it apart and we took that and actually matched it with the NPDPS database, which is the national provider database for Medicaid. So that gives you names. It gives you information. It gives you business locations.

[00:03:27] So the first thing that I did when I had that was I took that and I actually put it onto a map. And you can go see the map. Actually, it's on my website, wcdispatch.com. It actually has a live map that shows all of these locations, shows the business names. And by doing that, it allows you to see where the money is being spent. What is what's happening with the money? Where is it going? What kind of money is being spent? It gives you a specific billing code. So there is direct billing codes for Medicaid that it provides.

[00:03:54] So you can see, you know, if they're spending money on nursing homes or if they're spending money on home health care, which is where I've been focused in, if they're spending money on psychological treatment or anything like that, it has a very specific billing code. So you can see directly from the data. It shows you what they're spending, where they're spending it, how much the spending is increased. And on top of that, do you get to see the names of the people that are part of it? And that's what's led us down these a lot of these paths and investigations. We started in Michigan.

[00:04:21] One of the places that we found, we realized that the Michigan Democrats actually had changed billing codes when they took over the legislator in 2023. And when they changed those billing codes, suddenly, shortly after they took over and they changed that, we saw a astronomical increase in spending in very specific billing codes, which is what led us to this home health care investigation stuff that we've been working on for the past couple of months. OK, I want to delve in to that about Michigan.

[00:04:47] Before I do, well, you just I really want to go there right in a second. But before I do that, explain what was the Medicaid expansion supposed to be used for initially? And how did you think it was being spent before you started investigating? To be honest, I didn't even really think about this program a whole lot. It's not something that is something that people pay a lot of attention to because most Americans, an average American does not think about the concept of what we call home health care, which is the main focus of this.

[00:05:16] The home health care industry essentially is the design that you can pay people to take care of their parents or take care of family members. And the intention of the program, from what they sold it as, at least, is that it was supposed to be designed so that it would reduce our spending in nursing homes. So the intention is obviously if you have people that are taking care of relatives and others that are at their actual home locations, well, then they don't have to go to nursing homes. That's the idea, right? Well, that's the opposite of what we found.

[00:05:44] I mean, it's the opposite of what we found. We find now that we spend 50 percent more than we did in 2020 on home health care, and we spend 25 percent more on nursing homes. So the intention of the program, it's not doing anything that it was intended as. And that's what makes you ask the question of, OK, well, if we're not spending the money in the way that it was intended, if it's not accomplishing the goal, then what exactly is it doing? What exactly, where exactly is it going?

[00:06:11] And that's what we've found is essentially these programs are just riddled with fraud. I mean, there's hundreds of indictments on home health care programs across the country, but it only seems to be happening in certain states. And in blue states, for example, there's almost no prosecutions happening. There's no prosecutions happening of any kind on these programs. But those are the states that they were the most dramatically expanded in. That's the ones that you see the highest dollars being spent. But amazingly enough, you see the least amount of prosecutions from those states,

[00:06:41] which is what drove us through this Michigan investigation. It really is something that you only see once the Democrats seem to take over a legislator, they take the trifecta of government. Then suddenly you see a massive increase in spending and very specific programs. And it's a very similar pattern in every state. It's not something that's unique to one state. It seems to be in every state. And now because as a result of that, when we've spent $180 billion on home health care since 2020. OK. And then what did you find in Michigan exactly?

[00:07:10] In Michigan specifically, right after we started looking at this, we realized what was going on and we found the pattern. We started looking at it and then we started zeroing in on just a few specific codes. And it was the codes that were actually changed by the trifecta of government that took over. That was when Whitmer and then the Democrats took over the state Senate and the state House. And the moment they took over, they changed the billing codes for how they could bill home health care and psychological care, which is also done through what they consider it community health care of some kind.

[00:07:39] I mean, that's what the description on the code is. But the second that they took over, I mean, within a month, some of these businesses that were billing almost nothing, I mean, essentially never billed Medicaid before, are suddenly charging $250,000 a month. I mean, it's an astronomical number and there's no verification on who these people were. And worse than that, as you can look at some of these businesses that did that, some of these businesses didn't even exist. They're not real. There's nothing there.

[00:08:05] I mean, the worst one that I've recently published on for restoration was that we found one that was billing. They billed $2.4 million and they were billing from a demolished building. There's nothing there. When I went to go look at the building, there was a demolition team sitting there eating lunch. I mean, I asked them a question. I said, what are you guys doing? They're like, oh, we're the demo team. This place, by the way, this is the greatest part about this. They're there because it's a asbestos filled building. So they've been working on the demolition of that building for like years at that point. It's not something that's just overnight. It's been working on for years.

[00:08:34] They've been doing it for a long time. So they had no, no one is even looking. That's what is amazing about this. No one is even checking. These businesses are just billing millions of dollars to Medicaid and no one's looking at it. No one's even asking questions about it. No one has any idea what's going on. It really is shocking.

[00:08:53] You know, you and Nick Shirley and other people around the country who have been investigating all of this money and the way it's being spent. And we're going to come back and talk even more about the things that you found. First, just as a taxpayer, I want to thank you. And I thank Nick Shirley. I've never met him.

[00:09:15] But I appreciate so much the work that you are doing and he is doing and other independent journalists are doing to highlight these problems. This is theft of our tax dollars. These people are stealing the money that we work so hard day in and day out to earn. We are required to pay taxes. We pay the taxes. And the federal government is doling this money out without any meaningful oversight at all.

[00:09:45] And the states, they don't even have a vested interest in it because the money, so much of the money is coming from the federal government. They don't even feel like it's their own money. So they're not pursuing it. They just keep doling it out and doling it out, probably thinking they're buying political favors. This is maddening. It was a demolished building and $2.4 million went to it. I mean, and that's not even all of it. I mean, you look at the next story that we did, which was similar to this.

[00:10:13] I mean, you start looking at how many of these places were actually billing. We took a small data set. Okay. We took 600 businesses. Okay. And I took these businesses and I ran them against the actual business registry in Michigan. Okay. 21 of those 600, just of this small group that I looked at, 21 of them were all dissolved businesses. So they're not real businesses. And they billed $118 million over, you know, over many years. And some of them, some of them have been dissolved for 20 plus years.

[00:10:40] I mean, there's a, there's a dentist office that was dissolved in 2004 that was billing over a million dollars a year for autism treatment. I mean, what are we doing? I mean, this is, there is no oversight. There is no oversight whatsoever. And you're right about the theft of your tax dollars. But what makes me even more furious was actually something that happened shortly afterwards.

[00:10:58] As we're publishing this, at some point, J.D. Vance comes on and says, you know, one of the problems we have with this fraud is that apparently the federal government would not even pursue prosecution if it was less than $1.5 million. Now that's just insulting. To me, when I heard that, I said, you know, when you hear big government numbers, there's always these billion dollar numbers. Everybody, it's very difficult for people to think about it. You know, that's such an astronomical amount of money. Most people have never even heard of a billion dollars.

[00:11:26] And maybe they can't fathom what that means. But just think about it in this way. If you were able to bill an additional $10,000 a month for yourself, how much would that help your family? Well, apparently, if you steal it from the government, $10,000 enough a month, they won't even prosecute you. Nothing will happen to you, apparently, because it's not worth it. It's not worth it to pursue a million dollars. It's not worth it to pursue $1.5 million. To me, that is the most insulting thing I'd ever heard. I couldn't believe it when I heard that.

[00:11:55] That is unbelievable that we're not even interested in prosecuting these people. So there were zero consequences. There's nothing. Nothing happens to those people. So there's just people showing up in our country. And majority of these people are immigrants, by the way. And I would love to say that that's not true. I have the data. OK, there's nothing in this data that proves to me there's almost zero John Smiths that are defrauding the U.S. government. I'll just put it that way. It's just amazing to me because the amount of cash that these people are pulling in, I mean, what could that do for your family?

[00:12:24] What could you do with a million dollars a year? And apparently, if you steal that much, nothing's going to happen to you. It doesn't matter. Nothing's going to happen to you. No one's going to come after you. There's not even a worry of it because in apparently in our system, in our government system where they're just doling the money out, as you were just referring to, you can just do that. And nothing, there is no consequences, which is unbelievable to me. A million dollars would go a long way for just about every American family.

[00:12:49] And if the thought that they could get away with stealing it with no repercussions whatsoever, everyone who thinks they could get away with it will probably try to do so. So it's crazy that you don't put a limit on it. While you were talking, I was listening, but I also did one thing. I looked up what is the average amount that a taxpayer pays in taxes.

[00:13:14] And in 2022, it's probably a little bit more now, but it showed me 2022 numbers. $13,890 on average per taxpayer. Now, there are some Americans who are not paying anything, and there are others who are paying more, but that is the average. $2.4 million on that demolished building. It took 172.7, so basically 173 taxpayers to pay for that fraud.

[00:13:44] And if it's a million dollars, it's probably around 80 or 90 people who have to pay their tax dollars in order for that fraud to happen. That is wrong. That is absolutely wrong. We work way too hard for people to get away with this kind of theft. Absolutely. And worse than that, so the interesting thing about the numbers you mentioned, you said taxes. That's true.

[00:14:11] But are you including the fact that Medicaid comes out of your check every week as well? So not only are you getting charged for that, your Medicaid numbers, that you are seeing that on your check. Everybody, when they get a check, I worked as a mechanic for 10 years. I know for a fact my check had Medicaid pulled out of it. Do you see that number coming out of your tax dollars? You know that you're getting charged for it. Every single American in the country knows that they get charged for Medicaid every single week. And now, I think that the, you know, when I was looking at these numbers just generally,

[00:14:41] I think that the possibility that there are hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud in this system is not unfeasible. I think it is actually very likely that we're seeing more than half of this stuff is just absolutely fraudulent. I mean, you've got to think about $170 billion on home health care. I think that the majority of home health care is fraud. Not a minority. I think almost the majority of that $170 billion a year is fraud. So, I mean, it is an unbelievable amount of money. An unbelievable amount of money.

[00:15:11] And the amount of taxpayers that are just paying into this system and assuming that the government is actually being a good caretaker of their funds, they're obviously not. They're obviously not. They're not even interested in pursuing the recuperation of the money if it's less than a certain dollar amount. I mean, that is, that should be insulting to everybody. That should be a red flag to the point that, you know, we can't keep doing this. And on the other side of it is, what about the actual people who need Medicaid? Because there are people who need it. I mean, of course there are.

[00:15:38] We have social safety nets in this country for a reason. But if you actually are allowing people to defraud these systems, you're making the rest of the system much more expensive, much more inefficient, much more difficult for real people to be able to access it. So every single dollar that's stolen and fraudulently pushed into these programs makes it more difficult for the people who actually need the program. So the program is being defrauded, stolen from. The taxpayers are losing out. The people who need it are losing out. It can't continue. It cannot continue.

[00:16:07] We can't allow the government to just have no interest in having oversight over top of where our dollars go because eventually it will kill the system and it will kill Medicaid. That's what the guys in, you know, the fraud task force has been talking about recently. If we don't take care of this, Medicaid is going to die. It will kill it because we are just letting people suck the money out of it. And we can't keep letting that happen. It's just not something we can do. No, we absolutely cannot. I think we're $39 trillion in debt the last time I checked.

[00:16:36] I'll have to double check that I'm right about that number. We can't afford it. When you just said you think it's hundreds of billions, Elon Musk last year when he was part of Doge and working for President Trump, he said he told lawmakers he thought that he could save a trillion dollars with a T. And the lawmakers think in terms of a 10-year cycle. So when they're budgeting, they are budgeting for 10 years.

[00:17:03] When they passed a reconciliation bill, they're thinking of 10 years. And so they said to him, oh, a trillion dollars in 10 years? And he says, no, this year alone. That's right. Like one year. And they all scoff. And I've heard some of the lawmakers say they didn't believe it was possible. And people on Capitol Hill will never find a trillion dollars. He's just crazy. We'll never be able to cut that much spending.

[00:17:34] Look, the man, I've said this before on my show, but when it comes to this, I just feel like I have to go back and defend what Elon Musk said over and over and over every time these things come out. He's the richest man in the world. He's one of, if not the smartest men on the entire planet right now. And he understands numbers and he understands dollars. And he's not afraid of commas and zeros.

[00:18:01] And I think most of the people in Capitol Hill are afraid of commas and zeros because they have no idea how to create wealth. They only know how to spend money, whether they're Republican or Democrat. They've never, most of them have never built the kind of businesses that Elon Musk has built. And most of them have never even been entrepreneurs. Many have, especially on the Republican side, but not at all. A lot of them come from different backgrounds. When you know that you've built a company, you have to make payroll, you have to make sure

[00:18:31] that you've taken care of the taxes and the insurance and everything else that goes with meeting payroll every single week. You understand how difficult that is to do and you become much more appreciative when it comes to overseeing that money. Elon Musk looked at it all. He understands numbers and he thought we could save a trillion dollars. Finding the stuff that you found, that Nick Shirley has found, that others have found with the fraud that is happening in this country. I think he's right.

[00:19:00] And I think, I thought he was right all along, frankly. But I think this, this is the kind of stuff that proves he was right. Now, Congress and the administration have to have the wherewithal and the courage to go after it and to cut it and to say, we are not going to allow this kind of theft and this kind of abuse of programs that we put in place for well-meaning intentions to continue to happen. And it needs to happen from both Republicans and from Democrats.

[00:19:30] And when they cut money to Medicaid, they're not talking about cutting money to legitimately needy people. They're talking about getting rid of this kind of junk spending that doesn't need to be happening. It's just, it is infuriating. And I think you're right. It's at least, at least hundreds of billions of dollars, if not actually a trillion dollars. You, you mentioned that this data set came from Doge.

[00:20:00] How appreciative are you of the work that Elon Musk did and all of these computer programmers that have gone in there and really done everything they can to make data sets available? Listen to me. It is entirely because of what Elon did. You know, Elon got forced out essentially by what he was trying to do because the machine in Washington was just furious that he was actually effective because what he did differently is he went and got young people that are willing to work, that are actually willing to run circles around the bureaucrats.

[00:20:29] I mean, when I saw that video, there's an interview when they did the interview. I think it was Jesse Waters who did it when he had Elon and then all the kids from Doge. One of the best interviews I've ever seen because I know that kind of person. The person that was in that room, that is a young engineer, a young, smart engineer that is willing to work 100 plus hours a week. I mean, that's the kind of people they are. They'll sleep on the floor. They'll get it done. The average bureaucrat in Washington wants to work as little as possible. They want to be there 30 hours a week. They want to barely do anything. These kids would run circles around those guys.

[00:20:59] And that's no question that they did. And that's what happened. Elon had the best people in there. And if they had allowed him to continue, you are 100 percent right that he would have found the amount of money that he's talking about. And Elon is you can say whatever you want about him. They can scream about how much they dislike him or not. But no, he knows numbers better than anybody else. And there's probably no one else on the planet that is able to understand large amounts of numbers like Elon does when he was looking at the federal government. There's no one else that does that like he does. He knows federal contracts.

[00:21:28] He knows everything about how to run a large scale business. There is very few other people to be able to understand at the level that he did. And I'll tell you now, as I started looking and I started looking at the data, you had this kind of realization moment that you go, he was 100 percent right. There's nothing that he said that was incorrect about it. There is hundreds of billions, if not a trillion dollars of fraud in our in our budget. I mean, it's just it's just there and they just keep spending it and they keep spending it and no one looks and no one checks. You know, I have a source in U.S.

[00:21:57] Treasury that told me that they think that it's possible that 18 percent of our GDP is actually fraud, 18 percent. It is a huge number. I mean, it's it's astronomical number. That is that is multiple trillions of dollars. But the fact that it is coming into these programs and then anytime you touch them, anytime you say anything, let's look at Medicaid. You just mentioned it a minute ago how they said, oh, my goodness, you're taking it from the needy people. That's not what's happening, guys. OK, it's not the needy people that are being cut off. Go look at what Oz just did.

[00:22:26] The Oz, Dr. Oz just shut off 800 hospice cares in Los Angeles alone. And he said not one of them called none of them. You shut the money off and then suddenly nobody even says anything. That is not a limited issue. That is everywhere. And that's what I've been trying to get across to people is that as I've been looking at this, it is in every state. It's in every single state. And a lot of people ask me the same question. They say, well, how come there isn't prosecutions on this?

[00:22:53] And my response is almost universally been that it's a bandwidth problem. You don't like the scale of fraud that exists is in every single state, in every single major city, in every single minor city. It is everywhere. You can't either. I mean, most cities do not have a white collar crime unit like like Washington, D.C. or New York City or something. They don't have a large white collar crime unit. How are they going to go after it? The only way that they can deal with it is actually what I think they've done right now,

[00:23:22] which is they're starting to open source that data, which is entirely because of Doge. That is the only reason that happened. That is the Doge team that released it from HHS. If they do that with every data, like every spending set that we have, imagine Snap or Welfare or any of these programs, I guarantee they're all going to have the same problem. They're all going to have the same problem that we're finding in the Medicaid data, that it is largely got a huge set of fraud in it and that nobody's looking at it. I guarantee you that it's going to be the same problem. And I'm hoping that what they're doing now with the release of the HHS stuff, because

[00:23:51] a lot of people like me have taken it apart. The Daily Wire guys took it apart in Ohio, which is interesting because the funny part about the Ohio story, the Ohio Medicaid fraud that they found is that some of the places that they were actually looking at, I was in those buildings back in January looking at different fraud in the same buildings. You know, there's a Somalian organization that was called the Somalian Education Resource Center that I looked at back in February and January. And this organization had billed 40 something million dollars for supposedly feeding kids at daycares.

[00:24:19] Well, lo and behold, Luke Rosiak goes and looks after he has the HHS data. He goes and looks and in the same building, there are 80 something Medicaid providers there. What are they? What? I mean, this is incredible. This is and this is in every single state we have this problem. And the reality is no one's looking. No one's looking because no one has any idea how to check. There's no verification system. These people have figured out how to make fraud an industry and it is an industry.

[00:24:48] I mean, there are places that I've looked at in Michigan that there are 80 something providers in the same building. It's not a medical establishment. It's nothing like that. Now, to give people some reference so they understand what that means when someone says it, because it's I've heard of a number of the people in in CMS and Oz and others have come out and said, well, there's you know, there's 70 providers in this building. What does that mean? So give you a reference here in Michigan, the place that I'm looking at, there's 80 providers in this building that is more providers than the largest hospital in the state by a factor of 10.

[00:25:18] OK, so there's not even a large hospital in the state that has that many providers. And this is a random office building. Random office building has no medical establishment in it. There's nothing there. But they've got 80 Medicaid providers in the same building. What I think really has they figured out how to do this. And the reason you're seeing this so often across the country now is because I think that these people have figured out how to make it a turnkey industry. You approach a say a law firm or something. They set up a corporate address for you. They file all the paperwork for you.

[00:25:47] And then poof, you can bill Medicaid for one hundred thousand dollars a month and no one's going to come looking. I mean, that's it is an unbelievable thing that we have realized this and that no one has looked at it for years. And this has just been growing and growing and growing to the point that now the problem is so astronomical that if we don't take care of it, the program is dead. The program will not work anymore if we allow this kind of fraud to continue. No, well, it doesn't. It's not working right now.

[00:26:13] It's because if it because working properly would mean this isn't happening when you talk about and when you talk about. It is extremely disturbing to know that you're doing it with home health care. Absolutely horrible that it is happening. When you find out that they are doing this with hospice centers and you actually understand what hospice is and you've ever had a loved one go through hospice as they are about to

[00:26:42] die, you understand how precious those organizations can be. They come into your home. They help you take care of your loved ones so your loved one can die with dignity. And there are some places where there is a hospice center, again, so that it's supposed to allow the loved one to die with dignity. And instead, these people are are are using something that should be so precious and they're

[00:27:12] twisting it for fraud and for personal gain. It is absolutely disgusting. It is. Unfortunately, and this is something that I realized as I've looked at many different government waste programs over the past. I don't know. I've been doing this a while now. But the reality is that almost every time, almost every time when it is a system or a program or an idea that is supposed to be the most humanitarian, we're going to feed children. We're going to take care of your loved ones. We're going to help your parents.

[00:27:42] It's almost every time that's where the worst fraud is. And that's unfortunate. It's unfortunate because they use that empathetic nature to tell people this is what we're doing with this program. But they're not. They're not doing it. They're not feeding kids. They're not taking care of dying parents. They're not taking care of your parents. They're not helping kids out of nursery and parents at a nursing home. The other thing they're doing is autism treatment. They're stealing from autism treatment organizations. Like I said a minute ago, dentist office dissolved 20 years ago. There's billing millions of dollars for autism treatment.

[00:28:11] But that, I mean, a normal American in the country would find that morally abhorrent for someone to steal money from a program designed to help special needs children. That's how most Americans would feel about that. They immediately go, that's terrible. Why would you do that? What's the matter with you? Why would you ever think of even doing something like that? But that is what happens when you allow a program with zero oversight and think that the world is not full of people that are willing to steal from you. That is the problem we have.

[00:28:37] We have a government that didn't evolve understanding that the world itself, the internet world, the online scam world doesn't exist and it doesn't apply to government spending. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. These people are organized. They are more than willing to steal money from any program that will provide it to them. And they've made it a whole entire industry of how to do that. I mean, the home health care, the advocates for where it came from, the idea was, like

[00:29:05] I said at the beginning of this, we're going to replace nursing homes. Well, we didn't do that. We didn't do that. Now we spend more money on nursing homes and more money on home health care. Once the government starts spending money, when anything they claim, come out and claim that somehow we're going to save money with this program, that has never happened. Okay, there's not a government program that has ever been created outside of Doge, by the way, that has ever been created that actually successfully saves us money. That is just not true. The government cannot do things as well as the private sector.

[00:29:34] The private sector is the only way that you can save money because the incentives are reversed. You know, if you created a program for your business, your business was designed, okay, we came up with this idea. The idea is this will replace something that we're currently doing and we'll spend less money on that and we'll spend less money on the thing we're spending on and double the price of one and then a quarter increase on the price on the other, you'd be fired. Of course you would be. You just screwed up and you've now cost the business 125% more. That's what you've done.

[00:30:04] So that's not going to work. But that's what the government does. They don't care. It's not their money. They don't even think about it. Their intention is spend every cent that we're given. Spend it more, spend it better. You know, if you need money in the budget, buy new furniture for your entire office every year. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that the government does. I mean, some of the stuff that I was working on long before I even got a hold of the HHS data. I was looking at some of these places during COVID, for example, when the government was

[00:30:30] shut down, we were spending, you know, a billion dollars a year on laundry detergent for the U.S. government for uniforms. I mean, this is not like the military or something. This is like, you know, government, you know, supposedly government agencies are spending money on that. For what? Why are you spending a billion dollars a year on laundry detergent? There's no one in the office. There's no one there. But that doesn't matter to them. It's the government. Nope. That's a line item budget. Spend the money. Who cares? I mean, they just don't care about it at all.

[00:30:57] And the U.S. taxpayer doesn't really think about it that much because, you know, it's there's two realities in life. You're going to die and you're going to pay taxes. Everybody knows that. But the reality is you hope that the people that you put in charge actually care about how you're spending your money. But the reality is they don't. They haven't for a long time. And they have spent so much more money than they've ever dreamed of. And now when you tell them, hey, let's go back. Like the argument back when the big, beautiful bill was coming forward was why can't we reduce our spending back to what it was in 2019?

[00:31:27] Why can't we do that? We were spending. The only reason we increased the spending is because of COVID. But then, well, lo and behold, when the government now spends, you know, 25 percent more on everything, well, we can't turn that down. We can't go back. We're like, oh, my goodness. Now we just spend that much money. It's not something that's necessary. It makes no sense. Essentially, Medicaid now spends 50 percent more, 50 percent more than it did in 2020. Do you think you're getting better care?

[00:31:54] Does anybody who's on Medicaid think you're getting 50 percent better care? Of course you aren't. No. And almost everybody says the opposite, actually. Almost everyone says that it's worse. It was worse than it was before. It's always worse. But somehow you're spending more money on it. And that's something that everybody who has health care providing for their own business or buys it themselves. You've known that since Obamacare passed, everybody's health care costs have gone up dramatically. And why? Well, because the home health care industry, the Medicaid industry, all of this stuff is spending astronomical amounts of money.

[00:32:24] And the only people that are paying for it are the private people that are having to subsidize the entire program. And it's just it is it is the most unbelievable thing when you just said that most people don't think about it. I think you're right. People understand they have to pay their taxes. If they don't, they're going to get in trouble. And even if they think about it and they get upset about it, they're not they're not thinking about what it actually is doing to them personally.

[00:32:50] The left loves to talk about affordability right now and how everything is so expensive. The number one driver of inflation is the government spending too much money. And you put too much money in the marketplace for too few goods because it hasn't happened through free markets. It hasn't happened naturally through the economic system. The government is coming in. It interferes with the markets. So the price of things goes up.

[00:33:19] Well, when we've had inflation and the best way and we are bringing it under control, the best way to bring it under control would be to reduce even more government spending. Another way to to improve it would be to reduce the government spending even more. And a simple way to tackle that would be to get rid of all this fraud. This fraud is part of what is driving inflation. This fraud is part of why things are so unaffordable right now.

[00:33:47] And spending skyrocketed when the lockdowns and COVID happened and Biden became president. And we still haven't gotten things back under control yet from it. We have not. It's not anywhere close. I mean, the amount of money that we spend now is so much higher. It's so much higher. I mean, it's in no one like it's really difficult to kind of grasp how much higher things are.

[00:34:11] But until you see the numbers like we have been looking at in Michigan, where you see, you know, a program or, for example, a business that build nothing. Essentially, they build, you know, ten thousand dollars at some point in their in their entire lifetime. And then suddenly something changes and they're billing two hundred and eighty thousand dollars a month now. That's not normal. It's not. It's not organic. I mean, I can show you so many charts, so many charts that I have just looking at this and you can play the day and you play it over a time frame and you see this number.

[00:34:39] And it's just a kind of a flat growth line or a time period. And then suddenly it's just straight up, straight up. And there's nothing organic about this. There's nothing organic about this. This is people that have figured it out and know that they can get away with the system. They know they can get fraud into the system. And the other people that are taking advantage of it. I mean, they're sure there's probably legitimate people that realize, well, look, my man, our business is doing so much better. Well, the reason it's doing so much better is because the government spent and turned up the spending.

[00:35:07] It's not your business is in some magical way that it's doing better. No, the government just cranked your spending up to 100. I mean, that's when the government involves itself in the economy as much as we have had the government involved in our economy now. We don't really have a capitalist system right now. If we want to be honest about it, we don't. It's not a capitalist system right now, especially in this industry. The home health care industry, not just home health, just health care industry generally is it's a quasi sort of government system that's overregulated and monopolized.

[00:35:36] And there's nothing free about it. But you're spending more money because you have to subsidize people that are taking money from you. And that's all that's happening in the redistribution aspect of it. What me? But who are we redistributing to? That's the other part about it. I mean, the Somalian issue that we were covering back in early January, the Nick Shirley talked about in Minnesota that I talked about in Ohio. Those people. I mean, we found that they're spending 700 million dollars in cash and shipping it out of the airport and sending it directly to Somalia. That's not normal.

[00:36:03] No, it's not normal at all. And that's money. Again, it's money that the American taxpayers are spending. It shouldn't be going out of the country like that. If they were here legally and they were legitimately doing business in America through a free market system, it would be one thing. But this is stealing money from federal government and then sending it to a foreign country. That is just completely, completely wrong.

[00:36:32] You have done this in Michigan. Have you looked at other states or do you have other states you're going to look at on the horizon? Absolutely. Yeah, I'm looking at Michigan is where I started. I was in Ohio initially and then I just moved up to Michigan. It was the closest thing for me. And I was like, let's go take a look at Michigan. Again, the more you look at it, the data you see, it's OK. Yeah, it's terrible here. And I just did a quick scan of a couple of local by states. I'd look at Wisconsin, look at Minnesota. It's the same problem. It's the same problem.

[00:37:02] One of the things that I'm working on right now is I want to be able to take it nationally and I want to look at every state. I want to take the one thing that I did in Michigan where I did the businesses that were, you know, dissolved entities essentially by the state of Michigan or legally in the state of Michigan. They're not legal. They don't exist anymore. I think if I take that the same method and cross-reference it across the country, I'm going to find hundreds of billions of dollars. That's what I think I'm going to find.

[00:37:27] You know, I made the joke that, you know, at some point, you know, I think it was Besson said that if you if you have tips on fraud, that we'll pay you 30 percent of what we recoup. And I was like, well, if I find like, you know, 200 billion dollars, do I get 30 percent? I mean, I don't know. I mean, I might be the first person that becomes a billionaire by uncovering fraud in the United States. And I thought that was hysterical to comment on. But to me, it's going to be like that.

[00:37:49] This this when I take just 600 businesses, just 600 of them, just on my own personal data set, which I have a scoring system, a fraud metric scoring system that looks at spending and stuff like that. So I filtered it down really, really heavily. But if I take that data and I find it across the entire country and say, OK, how many businesses aren't even businesses that are still billing Medicaid? If I find 20 in a group of 600, how many am I going to find across the entire country?

[00:38:19] I'm going to find thousands of them. I'm going to find thousands of it. It's not going to be a limited problem. It's going to be in every single state. And if I find that in every single state, we're going to see it everywhere. It's going to be a millions and billions and billions of dollars that have just been sent to. No one cares. That's the problem with it. They just do not care where they send it. And that's, you know, of course, these people are going to send more money. You know, I think Elon had the greatest comment at one point. He said, you know, it was the people that when we were shutting off their stuff, the pandas, you know, it's all we're saving the pandas.

[00:38:48] Like, well, OK, send me a picture of the panda. And they don't even have a test panda. They just there's nothing there. I mean, that's that's the same problem. It's going to be everywhere. And it's the same thing with the hospice. The hospice, you show up. Hey, is there anybody here? Nope. Nobody in hospice here. But we're billing as much as we possibly can. That's the same problem that's going to be found in every state. It's going to be found in every program. And it's because with zero oversight and no one that actually is interested in making sure that our money is being spent properly. That's what happens.

[00:39:15] People will steal it from you if you're not careful. And that is an unfortunate reality that we have to live in. But yes, and we're going to continue the investigations we're doing everywhere as far as we can take them. The next places we're looking at are Minnesota, Wisconsin. But we're eventually going to go over to the left coast. And I hadn't even started on California. I mean, if you think it's bad in places like if you think it's bad in some of these states, let's go back and let's go check on King Fraud himself. Gavin Newsom, see how it's doing over there. I mean, it's it's going to be terrible. I mean, they've got a billion dollar, you know, a highway, you know, what is it?

[00:39:45] The high speed rail system that's just a, you know, a small segment of rail in the middle of nowhere that they've spent 20 billion dollars on. Can you imagine how much money they're spending in health care? Because that's a much larger budget. I mean, it's it is a serious problem. And you would hope that both sides of the aisle take it seriously. But it it really appears that the Democrats don't have any interest in it.

[00:40:05] I mean, this is something that Jeff Jeff Reynolds at Restoration News, the senior editor there told me this is an amazing statistic that apparently in Oregon since 2000, they have only removed eight people from the Medicaid provider list. Eight in 26 years. That's that's not even possible. There's thousands of providers for each state. That just means that they just don't care. They don't care who those people are. They want them to spend more money.

[00:40:34] How can they how can they think that's OK? In 20, 20 years, only eight. Is that what you said? Yeah. Yeah, that's what he said. The numbers on it. Eight people have been removed from the Medicaid provider list. Eight. I mean, that's it's literally not possible. It's not possible. Businesses go out of business. People retire. You know, they they sell. They do all sorts of. It's just it's not possible for only eight people in 20 years. It's not. No, not at all. It just simply is not not possible.

[00:41:02] That is absolute, absolute craziness. Businesses will. Yeah, they go. They go out of business. People retire. Things happen. They change hands. So it may be a different entity. They're not they're not even trying. They're just not even trying. They're not even looking. They're not even looking. So what do you think that the the current administration is doing? Well, you mentioned your concerns about what the vice president had said about the amount they would go over.

[00:41:32] But what are they doing well that you want to see more of? Well, it looks to me like we actually are seeing stuff, which I was concerned because, you know, you hear the government say that they're going to do things. I don't trust the government no matter who's in charge. That's just a general rule for me. But maybe that's because I've been a conservative my whole life. I just don't trust the government and that's normal for me. But but I will say that the fraud task force, it looks like they are really doing stuff. And Oz at CMS has been doing fantastic work.

[00:41:59] I mean, they took 800 hospice organizations off the off the books in just in L.A. County just today, right. Right before this show, there is actually a there's a press conference that they were doing in Minnesota. So they're prosecuting 15 people there for 90 million dollars in fraud. I'm seeing J.D. Vance take the lead on this. And I'm hoping he does, because if the vice president's actually involved, we might see some real movement. And it looks to me like things are starting to shift. They're starting to really push on this stuff because I think they're starting to realize

[00:42:28] that just that one line item and if they can deal with Medicaid fraud, that could save us hundreds of billions of dollars a year on the budget. I mean, it's it all you have to do is the thing about it that's incredible is that, you know, you see, like I mentioned, the Portland or just the Oregon issue where they only prosecuted eight people or taken eight people off the rolls in Michigan. It's 16. OK, like it's nothing. I mean, they're not looking at this stuff. But the reality is I found it quickly. And, you know, I found it in Michigan.

[00:42:55] I started looking at Michigan in early in mid-March, roughly, and I found one hundred and eighteen million dollars in a month and a half. So if you have an actual budget of people that are really looking at this and they've got a number of people, I think you can tackle this problem. I think you can tackle this problem. And you can take these fraudulent providers off the rolls and just stop paying them, just stopping. You've got to stop the bleeding. Now, recouping the money is going to be difficult, especially if it's been flown overseas to Somalia. But at least at a bare minimum, we can at least shut the money off.

[00:43:25] We don't need to keep paying fraudulent providers. Let's stop paying them and maybe we'll see what we can actually save every single year. And I think that's something that is possible. And to me, it looks like we're starting to see real movement. And I'm hoping that we see a lot more. I mean, I've got a lot of stuff I want to see them to take on directly. I want to see prosecutions for some of the stuff that we're looking at. So I'm hoping that we start to see real movement. And it looks to me like they are moving the right direction. I like what CMS is doing. I like what Oz is doing. I think Robert F. Kennedy also is realizing this.

[00:43:55] He's once, you know, his whole mission is to make America healthy again. I think that he is realizing that it's very difficult for us to make people healthy if we're spending half of our budget on things that aren't even real. So I think that is going to be a big boon to this country if we can take care of this problem. And it looks like we're moving in the right direction. Yeah, I'm so thankful for this administration and their willingness to do to do this. Walter, what is your background? How how were you? You said you were a mechanic for a while and you've written an investigative piece and you

[00:44:22] found one hundred and eighteen billion dollars in in a month and a half of investigating. What's your background? So I actually, you know, for me, I grew up around the D.C. area. My father was a private contractor, so I knew a lot about the government and I hated it. I wanted nothing to do with it. So I moved away to a small little town in the middle of nowhere and became a mechanic and had been doing that for 10 years up until the point we got to covid. And I looked around and everything was falling apart. I mean, I just didn't understand what what was happening in our country.

[00:44:52] And I realized I had to change something. And I started my own platform. I started WCDispatch.com, which became my own investigative unit and grew that into where it is now. And now over the past year or so, I've been looking specifically at waste, fraud and abuse. And I think that the reality is that this is the most important thing that we can deal with in this country, because if we're spending this much money, it is time for us to stop spending too much money, especially on fraud. Did you see WCDispatch, right? Yes. WCDispatch.com.

[00:45:22] And on X, it's at WCDispatch. What other things have you investigated and found as you've been investigating fraud for the last year and a half? Some of the other things I was looking at was the government contracts, the strange government contracts that we have that people don't really pay a lot of attention to. One of the stories that I talk about that a lot of people didn't pick up on it, I think James O'Keefe actually went and got a much bigger piece, a bigger hit on this. But one of the problems we have in the country is how we do government contracts in the first

[00:45:50] place, the 8A contract issue, which is essentially a point scoring DEI metric on how we do award government contracts in the United States based on if you're, you know, if you're a racial profile or some kind like that. Well, one of the issues a lot of people don't even know about in the 8A program is that if you are a native slope Eskimo in Alaska, you have a 100% chance of getting a government contract. Now, what that actually results in, and this is something that I talked about last year,

[00:46:20] is that some of these contracts, the way that they do them is those people that they're signing on the contract aren't actually administering the contract. They're a pass through. So what they do is they get 10% and then they pass that on contract onto a larger group that actually does the contract, but use the government and U.S. taxpayers still has to pay the 10% to the business that isn't doing anything. And one of the businesses I looked at was a little organization that claimed they were billing $25 million a year in government contracts to the U.S. State Department.

[00:46:49] Well, you know, it was a single room in the top of a bank in Juneau, Alaska. I called the bank. I said, hey, so there's a business here that is apparently located in your building. Do you guys know anything about this? They said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They rented an office five or six years ago, but I've never seen them before. Like, oh, that's good. So that's nice. So that's just what they do, though. I mean, this is a problem that exists in the government. Almost every contract has this issue.

[00:47:17] So 15% of all of our government contracts across the country are billing and making sure that they pay the top end. So they may get a bigger that I got to pay their pass through. How much money would that save us? It would be billions of dollars there as well. And that's technically this is there's needs to be a new phrase because some of this stuff, it's not technically fraud because it's legal, but it is fraud. But it is. I mean, it is fraudulent to be able to say you're not a business is administering the contract, but you're getting 10% off the top. I mean, it's racketeering damn near.

[00:47:46] I mean, it's it's you pay me to make sure that your business operates and you get the contracts, but I don't do anything. You just pay me. I mean, that's that's not something that's normal. That shouldn't it shouldn't be something that happens. But it does happen. And it's happened for 50 years. And they were doing the same kind of thing with the covid relief funds, which I thought don't even get me started on those. But there were businesses they would advertise or be signs at intersections around get your

[00:48:15] covid relief money, phone calls, voicemails, emails, mail businesses advertising to basically just dole out government money. And they were spending a lot of money on that advertising. They were only doing that because they knew they could spend that much money and they would get so much more in a return. I if if you if you truly needed the covid relief funds and as a society, we decided we were going to to put the money out there.

[00:48:46] You shouldn't have to advertise for it. People should just be able to go get it if they need it. So what you're describing, it's what we also a lot of people saw around the country when that money was going out the door as well. Absolutely. I mean, it's the same. I mean, I remember what you're talking about, too, because I know some businesses, they're like, you know, this tax group called us and they said, hey, we can guarantee you that your PPP loan will be forgiven if you pay us 10 percent of the savings on it.

[00:49:13] I mean, you got to think about it, their business model. That means they had the advertising budget to be able to reach out to businesses to tell them that and still make profit on it. I mean, that means they were making 10 percent on everything that they saved everybody across the country. Those companies probably made millions, millions and millions and millions of dollars off that. And that happened in every state. Everybody saw there's billboards, calls, flyers, people get in the mail. I mean, it's I'll never forget that the COVID relief funds is just an it's just a box of

[00:49:41] hell that people don't even want to look in. But I'll never forget when I saw the first one that I saw that was the most ridiculous was Dodge Hellcat LLC. That was the name of the company. That's all it was. I mean, just it's so hysterical. I mean, like it's someone signed for that. Like you got to think about that, right? Right. Someone in our government saw that business name and signed on the dotted line giving them a relief fund that it's just it shows you the negligence is what it really shows you.

[00:50:09] It shows you the absolute disregard for your tax dollars. And it's insulting. It really is. And that's the same thing. The same opinion on that that I have with the people that have the one point five million dollars is not prosecutable. Apparently, it's the same insult. It's the same insulting nature to me is somebody who worked a normal wage job for a huge part of my life and saw that number come out of my check every single week for Medicaid, for taxes, for everything else. And knowing that, you know, the people that it was going to, they didn't even care what they sent it out to.

[00:50:38] Didn't matter. You know, my question this year when I went to pay taxes is can I just skip the middleman? Can I send it directly to Somalia? Is there a mailbox I can directly mail it to? Is that something I'm allowed to do? Do I have to write it to the IRS? I mean, I figure I can just send it straight over there if that's where it's going anyway. It's very, very difficult to to want to pay taxes when you know that the people that are managing it have no interest in where your money goes. If you managed your money like the U.S. government, you would be broke in debt and in jail. That's that's just the reality.

[00:51:09] That is exactly it. And you're not allowed to manage your own financials that way. The IRS can come and audit you at any time under the thread of garnishing. Wages, prison time. They have so much power. You know, you've got to keep up with how you spent your money down to the very penny. And yet the federal government doesn't treat our money that with that same kind of respect. They don't know where it's going. The business that you just named.

[00:51:41] I can't. They don't even they just don't care. They don't give a flying flip about it whatsoever. They're just writing. They're just checking the boxes and they're done with it and making sure that they get their vacation time and the time off and their overtime and whatever else they get. But it's maddening. What do you think should happen to those bureaucrats who who aren't who are supposed to have some sort of oversight over the money and and don't?

[00:52:10] That is something that we need to deal with directly, to be honest with you. That's something that is much more complicated on how it gets dealt with. But to be honest with you, there needs to be consequences for you, for government employees that make mistakes. You know, I understand in some scenarios where you can't go after, you know, public employees for certain things. But listen, if your job is you are an auditor for the U.S., you know, HHS or something like that, and you look at something and ignore it, you should be fired.

[00:52:39] It's just like any other position should be treated like any other job in the country. These people, the government employees. The one thing is that I can't stand about a civilist. They claim, oh, my goodness, these civil servants. These civil servants don't care because they know they can't be fired. They know it. They don't care. They don't care if they make a mistake. They don't care if they do something wrong because to them, whatever. It's just another day in the office. Whoops, I screwed something up. Cost the American taxpayer $10 million. No.

[00:53:08] OK, look, if you make mistakes, you need a loose job. OK, I mean, if there's people that are intentionally doing it, which I don't think actually, to be honest with you, I'm not even sure if most of this is intentional from the government side of the auditing side. I think it's incompetence. I think it's incompetence because we've had people in charge that didn't care to be competent in the first place. It didn't matter to them. They got up there even though they were incompetent. But whatever. Everybody that works below them can be incompetent, too. They don't care.

[00:53:45] I mean, that's that's not how it works in the real world. If you do the mediocre in the real world, nothing happens for you. You stay in the same place. You don't move up. You have the same job and you're never going to make it anywhere. We need to have an actual merit based system within our government again. And if we don't, I mean, the people that are having these problems that are causing this issues because of their incompetence, they need to be removed. They've got to be fired. Let them go out there and try and figure out how to get jobs. I mean, this is the funniest thing that I've seen over the past couple of months of this

[00:54:13] is actually a New York Times article that just came out about the fired USAID people. Right. And they're crying. Oh, my goodness. You know, Cheryl, something is, you know, she was making two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars a year. Now she can't get a job for twenty dollars a month or twenty dollars an hour. Like, well, that sounds like a correction is what that sounds like. That sounds like a market correction. That sounds to me like you are a useless, skillless person that was being paid two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars a year.

[00:54:41] And now no one will hire you for twenty dollars an hour because you can't do anything. That's if you're making that kind of money in the private sector, you are a hyper, hyper efficient person. You are doing something big. You are you are some CEOs make that kind of money. Right. I mean, some some CEOs of companies make two hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year. But this person is making two hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year as a vice president of something for USAID NGO. They can't get paid twenty dollars an hour.

[00:55:09] OK, that that just tells you that that person isn't a producer of anything. They're not an efficient person. They're not a good worker. They're not somebody that builds something and knows stuff and can do things. No, they are a government employee that has no skills, but that has just been slowly moved up and just pushed into a position where they get to make all this money. And now these people need to meet reality. OK, you can't live in this world where you make more money than everybody else and do nothing. That's that's not how it works for the rest of us.

[00:55:38] And it should not work for that for the government employees either. No, absolutely not. It shouldn't. And I think that you're right about that. What do you think is the biggest lie that Americans are being told about federal health care spending? The biggest lie is that every dollar that you take away from it is taking it from poor people or the most vulnerable or the most the most oppressed people in the country. That's just not true. OK, when you're talking about some of the stuff they want to cut off right now, when they're

[00:56:06] trying to cut things off, they're talking about the providers themselves, not the beneficiaries. OK, the people that are receiving health and Medicaid payments, you know, that are getting the services themselves, that's not being heard. OK, when you when you shut off providers, that's not taking it away from the you know, from vulnerable people or whatever is nonsense. That's whatever the lie is that they use of the day. It's the same. It's the same lie they've been using for years, though, that, oh, if you take this away, you're hurting poor people. You're hurting these people. You're hurting those people. No, you're not.

[00:56:34] OK, if that was true, then what you would if you really and that was your intention, your real intention, then you would want to kill this fraud dead. You would want it to be gone because if this isn't fixed, it'll kill the program. It will not survive. Medicaid will not be able to sustain this kind of spending. It will just go under. And then all of the people that had that social safety net will no longer have access to it if you allow the fraud to continue. So anytime you hear them screaming, oh, my goodness, you're cutting this, you're cutting that. Yeah.

[00:57:02] If you cut off the fraud, you might allow the people that actually need it, the people that really do need it to actually get the services they want. I mean, this is this. These are the things that it cost more money for everything now. Cost every everybody knows your health care is way more expensive than it used to be. It's worse than it used to be. And that's because you got to think about how much money we're subsidizing to programs that literally don't exist. I mean, if they didn't if they we didn't spend that much money on it, maybe health care would be cheaper. Maybe it would be cheaper.

[00:57:29] Maybe it would be easier for people to get access to it if we didn't have so much fraud within the program in the first place. What is one word or one phrase that describes Washington's spending culture right now? Oh, negligence is the only way I can describe it. Well, based on everything you're saying, I think that it definitely is negligent. And then what is what do you think that every taxpayer should be asking their elected officials?

[00:57:58] What should they be asking your elected officials? I would say the best thing you can ask your elected officials is how much money are we spending on the wrong things? How much money are we actually spending on programs we don't need? How much money are we spending? Where is my tax dollar? Where are my tax dollars going? That's the easiest question. Transparency is the real way this gets fixed, because the more people that see this and actually understand this, this is one of the reasons, again, I'm very thankful to

[00:58:24] those people at HHS, because imagine if they open source everything the same way they did with this data, they take it with snap data, welfare data, everything that I think that's the real key to this. That's how you start to see it, because, again, I think it's a bandwidth problem. There's no way you can fix that. But if you open it and let everybody else do it, let independents like me, like Data Republican, like Nick Shirley, like these other people that are out here doing this, let us take the data apart and let people see for themselves. I mean, we can do it. I mean, we did it in just a couple months.

[00:58:53] So let us do it with the rest of it. Give us the rest of the information. Give us the rest of the data. We'll make it usable. We'll make it so it's prosecutable. Just give us what we need and we'll take it from there. I think that's the best solution. I think that you're right about that. And also, I was talking to someone in the government fairly recently. They were saying they are not able to use AI models right now for security purposes, because you're loading it up into third-party software and they're working on creating their own local

[00:59:23] models. But releasing that information, allowing crowdsourcing to happen on it, it's the best way to get at it. And then you make transparent what you found and others can look at your work and double check and peer review it to see if what you found is actually accurate or not. I think it is. I'm glad they're releasing this data and I want them to release even more data sets. Absolutely.

[00:59:51] And that's one of the things I'm working on with Restoration News. One of the big projects we're working on right now is we're developing a website called Fraud Watchers. And in this website, the intention is I'm going to load it with as much of the government spending data as possible for every single state. Every single state. And that way you'll be able to go and click on your state and see where the money is. You'll be able to see news stories about what's going on with the spending in that area. You'll be able to see how much money is being spent. You'll be able to see what's going on per county, per state, per everything, everywhere in the country, all at the same place.

[01:00:20] And I think if we have that ability for people to open source and see it themselves, then you can just do it. You can just go look. If you think there's something weird going on, go take a video. You've got your phone. Go take your phone. Go over there. Ask questions. It's your money. Do you want to know where it goes? Go ask. I mean, that's the best way because one, just a few people like, you know, the independents that are out here doing this. Imagine if there was 100,000 of us doing this. If we are all asking questions all the time, that's how we get answers.

[01:00:47] And if we start to see more open source and we start to see more data released, that'll solve a lot of our problems, I think. Absolutely. That is exactly right. All right, Walter, how can people find you? You can find me at wcdispatch.com and you can always find me on exit at WC Dispatch. I'm always live on there. I usually have an evening show at 9 p.m. And it's most weeknights, but I'm traveling a lot right now. So, you know, if I'm on, it's on weeknights, 9 p.m. It's called The Political Theater.

[01:01:13] And there's also a new show that we just launched today, actually, called Fraud Watchers. And that's at 1 p.m. on Thursdays. Very good. Thank you so much for joining me today, Walter Kerr. Thanks for having me on. If you found this program interesting or maddening as I did, make sure you also check out the interview I did with Brian Blaze. If you enjoyed today's conversation, go ahead and hit like and subscribe. It really helps us reach more people who care about liberty and the Constitution.

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