Key Issus for 2024: Inflation, Immigration, & more | Steve Cortes, Pollster & Political Commentator

[00:00:00] Get your friends and family, get your circle of influence whether it's work or church

[00:00:04] Or mom's playgroup whatever it is people who you believe are on our side

[00:00:09] Be a little bit of a pest and get them to vote

[00:00:12] Keeping our republic is on the line and it requires patriots with great passion

[00:00:18] dedication and eternal vigilance to preserve our freedoms

[00:00:21] Jenny Beth Martin is the co-founder of Tea Party Patriots

[00:00:25] She is an author, a filmmaker and one of Time magazine's most influential people in the world

[00:00:31] But the title she is most proud of is mom to her boy girl twins

[00:00:35] She has been at the forefront fighting to protect America's core principles for more than a decade

[00:00:42] Welcome to the Jenny Beth Show. In today's episode

[00:00:46] I'm joined by former Newsmax host and political commentator Steve Cortes

[00:00:50] We dive into the biggest issues shaping the 2024 election

[00:00:54] From the impact of inflation and immigration on battleground seats

[00:00:57] To why Donald Trump's message continues to resonate with voters

[00:01:01] Stay tuned for a compelling discussion on the future of our country

[00:01:06] Steve Cortes thanks so much for joining me today. You bet Jenny Beth appreciate it. Thank you

[00:01:11] So you've been doing a lot of polling and message testing around the country to figure out what people are thinking and

[00:01:18] To figure out the the temperature of the election and what is that showing you? What are people thinking?

[00:01:24] Sure, jay best. We've done a bit of national polling

[00:01:27] But we've done really extensive battleground state polling polling and now the seven traditional

[00:01:31] Battleground states that we believe are in play and will

[00:01:35] Determine this election and what we found through that very extensive polling is that by far

[00:01:39] The two biggest issues or what I refer to as the two eyes which are immigration and inflation

[00:01:44] And they are they switch places sometimes as to which one is the number one concern

[00:01:49] But they are always in every poll we've done the number one and number two

[00:01:52] And also in every case Jenny Beth, uh, they are far separated from the number three and four issues

[00:01:58] So in other words those are just the dominant themes and sometimes we can use different terms

[00:02:02] We can say you know border and economy

[00:02:03] Uh, but regardless what the terms are it's it's the economy and sovereignty over this country and immigration

[00:02:09] Which are certainly top of mind for voters now

[00:02:12] Thankfully for Donald trump and for those of us who want to see him serve a second term

[00:02:16] When we then poll about the issues related to the specific policies related to those issues and the and the subsets of those issues

[00:02:23] Um voters strongly prefer his messaging and his policies on these issues

[00:02:28] But then that also might bring up the natural question is well, okay

[00:02:32] Then why are these races tight and they are tight races right now?

[00:02:35] Um, we saw a reasonably tight race when biden was still the nominee but trump up in the swing states

[00:02:41] But but not by a lot up, you know

[00:02:42] Three or four percent generally in the swing states before he was effectively deposed

[00:02:46] By the power brokers of the democrat party

[00:02:48] Well since Kamala Harris has been anointed and really coordinated by the democrat party because of course she wasn't elected by any primary voters

[00:02:54] Not in 2020 and not now

[00:02:57] She has tied in that gap what I would point out though is that she's doing better than Joe Biden certainly

[00:03:02] But it's because she took voters away from undecided and from people who were formally

[00:03:06] Supporting rfk. She's not taken away voters from doll trump

[00:03:10] Donald trump has been very sticky in ballerground staples both the ones that i'm running and the credible public ones that are out

[00:03:15] There's been very sticky around 47 percent

[00:03:18] but again

[00:03:19] It leads to the natural question of if he's leading significantly in terms of policy on the top issues

[00:03:25] Why is he not leading significantly?

[00:03:27] In terms of the in terms of the horse race

[00:03:29] For the fall and I really believe that the issue is that it's twofold number one

[00:03:33] Kamala Harris has been thoroughly protected so far by the corporate media by a very corrupt very biased corporate media in this country

[00:03:41] She has done almost zero

[00:03:44] Live interaction well, she's done zero live interactions almost zero interactions

[00:03:47] Period with the press. She's done none with a skeptical press or with a press conference where she had faced an array

[00:03:53] Of questions and had to answer them in a live fire

[00:03:56] basis

[00:03:57] Which is very much a contrast of course to how trump and vance are behaving and and performing on the camp train trail make them available

[00:04:03] Constantly to regular citizens to highly adversarial media. So that's part of it is that she's been protected

[00:04:09] But I think the second part is most americans quite frankly don't know who she is. That's just the reality

[00:04:15] Um, and I believe that in the coming weeks the more we expose who she is to them

[00:04:19] The more we expose that she's a california marxist

[00:04:22] We're going to see that gap widen again. So I'll be the first to concede that she's closed the gap

[00:04:27] There has absolutely been a lift to bring this race into effectively a tie in across the battleground states

[00:04:33] But I also firmly believe that she is so out of step with regular americans, particularly in battleground states

[00:04:38] And I also believe that she's so untested coming from that democrat party machine in california

[00:04:44] She really didn't get very much screwed me in 2020 neither the primaries where she could she performed miserably

[00:04:49] And was out too early to really sort of undergo the the battle of a primary campaign

[00:04:55] And then she was largely ignored in the general election campaign. So I also believe that

[00:05:00] Once what's we expose who she is what her agenda is what a california marxist she is and once she's really tested

[00:05:06] Particularly the debate and it looks like there'll be at least one debate thankfully

[00:05:09] I hope there's more uh, that the america people will realize

[00:05:12] That she's not good for their national security not good for their street safety and certainly not good for their pocketbooks

[00:05:18] prosperity

[00:05:22] What is it that they don't know about her you said that they that when you're testing you see that people like trump's policies

[00:05:31] And and they align with his messaging. Do they know that it's his messaging that they're aligning with or just

[00:05:39] Broadly speaking policies that that he's stating and then what is it that we need to teach people about kamala

[00:05:45] Yeah, no they don't necessarily recognize the policies as being trump's or the negative policies as being

[00:05:52] Kamala's and so that's what where I think you know

[00:05:54] We have a lot of work to do those of us who uh, who are full-time in this game

[00:05:57] But also just regular patreots out there who are rolling up their sleeves and getting to work who don't do this for a living

[00:06:02] But care deeply about this country and to be specific with you for example

[00:06:06] When it comes to energy policy

[00:06:08] Kamala's trying to really have it both ways right of course when she ran in 2019

[00:06:13] In the 2020 primary

[00:06:14] But you know she didn't even make it to 2020 because she dropped out before iowa never got a single vote

[00:06:18] But in the 2019 beginning to that democratic primary

[00:06:21] She really tried to run as one of the most leftist members of the already radicalized democrat party and in part of that platform

[00:06:27] For urbiss and she wanted to ban fracking

[00:06:29] I mean fracking has been miraculous for this country what it has done for

[00:06:33] Our national security because we're not dependent on foreign oil any longer particularly from the volatile middle east

[00:06:37] It's been an absolute economic boom

[00:06:40] You know particularly to some of the places like western pennsylvania and north cota texas

[00:06:44] Where fracking has been used so successfully but most importantly of all

[00:06:47] It's been such an economic benefit to just regular americans who have been able at least before joe biden

[00:06:52] Have been able to count on plentiful affordable energy to fuel our lives whether it's factories farms or just individuals

[00:07:00] You know soccer moms and dads driving their kids around so

[00:07:04] And it's hard to overstate how important fracking has been in the united states

[00:07:07] Kamala Harris said and this was a quote. She said there's no question. I will ban fracking

[00:07:11] She's now trying to backtrack on that without any reasonable explanation by the way of why she's backtracked

[00:07:17] But I think the more we can expose that

[00:07:19] To the american people the more we do that through urn media through paid advertising

[00:07:23] To get that message out to folks and say hey the energy situation has been tough already in the last few years for you

[00:07:29] Because of what joe biden did remember his first action in taking office his very first action as president of the united states

[00:07:34] Was to ban pipelines

[00:07:37] So harmful to this country so harmful or an actual security to our economic prosperity

[00:07:41] And yet he prioritized that as his first action in office and Kamala Harris owns that record

[00:07:46] She owns the whole record of bidenomics, but including the anti energy policy

[00:07:50] So uh energy has been been a sore spot for americans in recent years the average

[00:07:55] Price of a gallon of gasoline at the pump is over a dollar higher now than it was in

[00:08:00] Kamala Harris was was sworn in as vice president of the united states that's bad enough

[00:08:05] But jenny beth I would posit that it can actually get much much worse

[00:08:09] Because her energy policies aren't more radical than joe biden

[00:08:12] Even if she's trying to right now equivocate and claim otherwise

[00:08:16] And again, I think the more we communicate that to the american people the better off trouble be the better off this country will be

[00:08:22] I would also add this by the way, you know, I focused on energy prices

[00:08:25] But one of the things we found in polling and this frankly surprised me at first

[00:08:29] Is that food prices are far and away the most irritating aspect of inflation to americans?

[00:08:34] And it's the reason I say it surprised me is most people spend far more on their mortgage or on rent than they do on food

[00:08:40] And so I thought that would be the number one

[00:08:41] Issue is is housing affordability because it's just a much bigger bill for the vast majority of people

[00:08:47] But believe it or not that that comes in second typically when we ask about economic concerns

[00:08:51] But what comes in first every time every single time

[00:08:55] Is food prices and I think what's going on in jenny beth is even though you spend more on rented inflate on

[00:09:00] Rent and mortgage prices and that has got that has been terrible under joe biden mortgage rates

[00:09:05] For example have more than doubled under kamala hairs in joe biden

[00:09:08] But I think jenny beth there's a frequency bias going on here is what I've determined and through our polling and some focus scripts as well

[00:09:14] What I mean by that is you pay that that rent or that mortgage check once a month

[00:09:18] And you might be angry about it that day

[00:09:20] But then you sort of get over it whereas you buy food throughout the month

[00:09:23] For example, I look this up

[00:09:25] This wasn't my survey but a lot of your credible surveys out there show

[00:09:28] That that women particularly if they have a household if they have husband and children

[00:09:33] They buy food 10 times a month. So so in other words, they're getting angry. They're being shocked at their food prices every three days

[00:09:41] Versus just every 30 days. And so I think that that that frequency aspect is is what drives that that incredible anxiety and irritation

[00:09:50] About food prices and of course, you know, also, uh, everybody needs a place to live

[00:09:54] Everybody also has to eat these are these are not luxuries. We're talking about these are the the staples of life

[00:09:59] The necessities that people are really struggling to afford right now in america

[00:10:04] So again kamala hairs owns that record

[00:10:07] We need to make sure that we as as republicans as conservatives as america first

[00:10:12] activists, we need to make sure that we properly

[00:10:16] Assign that blame to her that it's important, you know, she's trying to run as a change agent

[00:10:21] Which is really something for somebody who's an incumbent vice president for three and a half years

[00:10:26] But the media is doing everything they can to assist her

[00:10:29] In that subterfuge in that sleight of hand to try to fool the american people that she's something new

[00:10:34] And again, she may be new to a lot of americans who don't pay a lot of attention to politics

[00:10:38] But she's obviously not new to the policies that have inflicted so much pain in america

[00:10:42] And if we do our job of exposing this in the coming weeks

[00:10:46] I do believe that Donald trump's gonna win but I want to caution people also listen

[00:10:49] I think he's going to win but I think it's going to be really tight

[00:10:53] And you know anytime I hear people even when bygones about even when we talk of a land slide I said that's nonsense

[00:10:57] Okay, and I I believe the idea that we can pick up new states outside of the seven states is nonsense

[00:11:03] Also, it's a waste of energy. It's simply not going to happen. Uh, can we do that over time?

[00:11:08] Can we do that by 2028 by 2032? Absolutely, but in terms of the 2024 election

[00:11:13] I promise you it is going to be tight. I think we can prevail. Okay, I'm not being in any sense pessimistic

[00:11:20] I think we will prevail

[00:11:21] But I also want to encourage everybody zero complacency again

[00:11:25] Roll up your sleeves get to work whatever your platform is and you may have a relatively small platform

[00:11:30] Or you may have a huge platform in terms of your influence

[00:11:33] But whatever your platform is work to make sure that you convince people to vote and to vote early

[00:11:39] If they're not registered get them registered right now

[00:11:41] And then this is something new for a lot of us on the political right because we believe in game day voting

[00:11:46] And by the way, listen, I wish those were the rules. Okay, those are not the rules

[00:11:50] We have to play the game right now

[00:11:53] By the rules as constructed even if we don't like them because the only way we change those rules

[00:11:57] Is by winning and part of how we win is we cannot go into game day as behind as republicans typically do

[00:12:05] Because we're all counting on voting on game day. The problem with voting on election day is things happen

[00:12:11] Terrible weather you get sick

[00:12:13] Something happens in your life boss won't let you leave work

[00:12:15] Okay, lots of things happen that prevent people who intend to vote on on election day from voting on election day

[00:12:21] And again, I'm not criticizing that that instinct as a matter of fact

[00:12:24] I think it's correct and I'd like to get to that place of in-person voting only paper ballots ID

[00:12:29] All of it but we only get there if we win

[00:12:31] And the best way for us to win is that we have to again adopt some of the tactics not the philosophy

[00:12:37] But some of the tactics of the left and the democrats and they have far outpaced us in past elections at early voting

[00:12:43] So I want to encourage people out there even if it's not your natural inclination. Again, I respect

[00:12:47] Get your friends and family get your circle of influence whether it's work or church

[00:12:52] Or mom's playgroup whatever it is people who you believe are on our side

[00:12:56] Be a little bit of a pest and get them to vote twist their arms nudge them

[00:13:01] Encourage them offer to drive them if they want to do in-person early voting, for example

[00:13:05] I didn't let me just say that by the way personally

[00:13:07] I just will not mail my vote

[00:13:08] But what I do in Tennessee right now live is I in person early vote to make sure that it's banked

[00:13:14] So make sure that nothing's going to happen on election day to keep me from voting. Um, and so again

[00:13:20] Not only do it yourself

[00:13:21] But but drag some friends and neighbors drag some relatives along who you believe are on our side and are going to do that as well

[00:13:28] Yeah, that's exactly right about their early voting and I I understand

[00:13:33] I completely understand concerns about it

[00:13:36] And I think that we should be back to a point where we have

[00:13:38] Election day on a single day, but you're right. These are the rules that we're playing by that

[00:13:44] We have to play by whether we like it or not these are the rules

[00:13:47] So we've got to make sure that as we're working within these rules that we do it in the way that will help us

[00:13:53] When and one way to do that is to make sure you get in there and you vote as quickly as you can

[00:13:59] That way, you know, your vote is cast if somebody else for some reason tried to cast their vote as you they can't

[00:14:06] They get stuck with a provisional ballot. You've already cast your your vote

[00:14:10] And if you are voting for the

[00:14:15] The republicans we're doing this from our 501c4

[00:14:19] So I try to be careful

[00:14:21] But if you're voting for trump if you're voting for trump

[00:14:25] And they know the the campaign knows you're going to be voting for trump

[00:14:30] Well, if you go ahead and vote that means they can just drop you off of the list

[00:14:34] And they don't have to communicate with you anymore

[00:14:36] It saves money so they can continue to communicate with the people who don't always vote who we have to get out there to vote

[00:14:43] So you're actually helping the campaign and you are helping cast a vote for the candidate you want to win

[00:14:52] Yeah, that is such an important point. Sorry to interrupt

[00:14:55] I just want to please because some folks out there who aren't sort of activists themselves may not understand us

[00:14:59] If they're just patriots who just love this country and are trying to save it

[00:15:01] Um that both the the actual campaigns as well as outside groups are working on behalf of candidates and movements

[00:15:08] It it costs an enormous amount of money to effectively chase the ballad of somebody who we know or we strongly believe is a supporter of ours

[00:15:17] But until they actually vote because again, of course who you vote for is not public information

[00:15:20] But the fact that you voted is public information

[00:15:23] And it saves the democrats an enormous amount of money when they know that their voters have banked their vote that it's in

[00:15:29] They're exactly right. You bet they take it off the list

[00:15:32] Okay, now we can spend more time more attention more money on chasing down the other voters who support us

[00:15:38] Who have not yet banked their votes? So you you save the campaign money

[00:15:42] You have effectively either you've made sure that your vote's going to count no matter what and again

[00:15:46] I believe me. We're we're the same you and I are clearly the same page. Jenny Beth

[00:15:50] I'm sure a lot of people in the audience are the same page

[00:15:52] I want to get back to to in-person voting with id with paper ballots

[00:15:57] But we don't get there unless we win and win overwhelmingly and so

[00:16:01] Even if we don't like the rules as constructed

[00:16:04] Those them's the rules for right now and let's use those rules to our advantage because the democrats have and let's make sure we use them to win

[00:16:12] That's right. And I want to say one one other thing because people are hearing this and like you said they may not be

[00:16:18] The the same way you and I are where we're we're working the list and and

[00:16:23] Getting out of the vote every single time

[00:16:25] I've said this a few times and people will say well, how do you know?

[00:16:29] How do you know who voted the fact is that in pretty much every seat in this country either locally or at a seat level through the secretary of seats office

[00:16:40] consultants campaigns

[00:16:41] candidates outside groups like ours can go and buy the the data to figure out who has voted and who has not voted

[00:16:49] so it is available information and

[00:16:53] That that's how that's how they wind up figuring that out. So it's out there. It's it's something that is

[00:17:00] essentially for sale and candidates use

[00:17:04] In campaigns use it and it's not for sale for consumer purposes

[00:17:09] But it is for sale for political purposes

[00:17:12] And there's one other thing Steve you're in the media

[00:17:16] So you'll completely understand what i'm about to say I notice it in 2022 during the runoff election

[00:17:23] Every single day it seemed like the media was reporting

[00:17:27] This many people who were democrats voted today and this many people who are republicans voted today in georgia

[00:17:34] We don't even vote by party affiliation

[00:17:37] We don't register by party affiliation

[00:17:39] But they had determined who normally votes in a republican primary who normally votes in a democrat primary

[00:17:44] And then they were counting that sort of like we're in the middle of a game

[00:17:49] And this is a score you have no idea how the people cast their vote

[00:17:53] But they're almost reporting it as facts. So if we're not out there in the game it creates this

[00:18:01] Echoing effect that seems like we're behind and we'll lose

[00:18:04] Right, it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy

[00:18:06] It can because there's a certain amount of voters out there

[00:18:08] Believe it or not and again probably not in your audience

[00:18:11] There's a certain amount of voters out there who want to vote for the winner

[00:18:13] It's important to them to be on the you know the quote winning team

[00:18:15] And that's why there's a lot of poll propaganda. It's one of the reasons I'm doing so much polling is we are doing our polling rigorously

[00:18:21] And scientifically we're not putting our thumb on the scale trying to always make it look good for Trump

[00:18:25] You know again, I just put out a Michigan poll where he's down to now

[00:18:28] I think he's gonna win Michigan, but you know again, I I don't cook the books

[00:18:31] We don't do what's called push polling. We do rigorous scientific polling

[00:18:34] But there are a lot of groups out there that absolutely do push polling

[00:18:38] I would tell you for example Bloomberg which is obviously a huge incredibly important news organization in America run by

[00:18:44] One of the wealthiest men in the world Michael Bloomberg, of course liberal democrat

[00:18:48] Was a republican for a while but a very establishment republican

[00:18:51] Now a liberal democrat Bloomberg morning console just put out a bunch of polls in the swing states

[00:18:55] Which would ludicrous jaybeb. Okay, it showed it showed Harris of eight in wisconsin

[00:19:00] I mean, that's just nonsense

[00:19:01] That there's there's no credible way to make that argument showed hires up 11 in michigan

[00:19:07] Showed Harris of four in in pennsylvania. I don't even think that's credible

[00:19:11] But that kind of push polling that propaganda. Why does it exist?

[00:19:14] Well, because they want to try to encourage people

[00:19:17] Or you know

[00:19:18] To persuade people that this race is over they they want they want to discourage

[00:19:23] Republican voting or america first ad here is from voting say that you can't win

[00:19:27] And they want to encourage their team effectively. Hey look at the scoreboard. We're up. So you're exactly correct

[00:19:32] It's it's not it's not just done in polling

[00:19:33] It's also done with early voting and in some states, of course you do register by parties

[00:19:37] So you have a much better idea of who they are but generally

[00:19:41] This stuff gets very scientific and then by the way the left is just as good at this

[00:19:45] Is not better than we are on the right and a lot of folks out there may not like the privacy aspects of this

[00:19:50] Which I do understand

[00:19:51] But believe me they know a lot about you. We know a lot about you

[00:19:55] Generally, we know who you're going to vote for your ballot a seeker, of course

[00:19:59] That's sacrosanct, but you know with a high degree of accuracy

[00:20:02] We have we have a very very good idea of who you're going to vote for at sort of the depths

[00:20:06] All right, this is an obviously, you know our province at all

[00:20:09] And because of that though

[00:20:11] Again that gets to these issues of number one

[00:20:13] How much money do we have to spend to try to get you to actually vote if we think you're on our side?

[00:20:18] But number two that point that you make which is key that it can become a self-fulfilling privacy for the left

[00:20:23] Unfortunately, and so let's let's fight all of that, you know

[00:20:26] And the way we do that is making sure your register getting your vote early

[00:20:29] Getting everyone around you who you think agrees with you

[00:20:32] To do the same, you know if all of we if all is do that if we have a forced multiplier effect

[00:20:36] Again, even if your circle of influence is just a few people

[00:20:39] Maybe you just talk politics with a couple of your neighbors and that's it

[00:20:42] It's still matters right or maybe you have a a very large circle there

[00:20:46] So try maybe to see you over company and you deal with hundreds and hundreds and thousands of people

[00:20:50] And I'm on a regular basis are you the pastor of a church?

[00:20:52] And you have a very big, you know literal pulpit to speak about these issues

[00:20:56] But whatever your circle of influence is

[00:20:58] I implore you and ask you to please use it and to realize that this is a very winnable election

[00:21:05] And again the issues favor us the issue strongly favors for example

[00:21:09] One question we've been asked a lot which is really kind of the most foundational question in most elections is

[00:21:15] Are you better off or when you have an incumbent running and she isn't incumbent even though the media is pretending she's not

[00:21:20] So when you have an incumbent running, are you better off now that you were four years ago?

[00:21:23] That question was largely made famous really by ronald rake all the way back in 1980

[00:21:28] And we were in economic doldrums at that time which are very similar to today's it's the last time in this country that we had

[00:21:34] significant inflation inflicted upon america

[00:21:37] We were in an economic malaise under jimmy carter and and ronald reagan did a very effective job of asking that that very

[00:21:45] Just primary foundational question of americans. Are you better off? It's one of the reasons that he won

[00:21:50] He beat an incumbent president, of course, it's not easy to do

[00:21:52] um and and uh now that same question i've been polling on it

[00:21:57] I hope donald trump asks it more. I don't think he asked enough to be honest

[00:22:00] But i've been asking that same question. Were you better off when trump was president?

[00:22:04] Particularly the pre-covid economy or now and we are in all of these swing states. Jenny beth we're getting about 60 30 most of the time

[00:22:11] The worst we're getting is say 55 percent saying i was better off then

[00:22:14] Versus 35 mostly we're getting 60 30. I mean we're literally doubling people saying i was better off then so

[00:22:22] Again, the issue set is in our favor

[00:22:24] But we have challenges uh because even though the issue sets in our favor right now. We're effectively tied

[00:22:29] but

[00:22:30] The issue sets also convince me that ultimately once we expose the common is once the sugar high dissipates

[00:22:37] Once she is forced to it to uh endure at least some scrutiny, right?

[00:22:41] And I don't know if it'll happen besides the debate that may be the only time that she's truly scrutinized

[00:22:46] I suspect it will be unfortunate. Jenny beth. I just think the media is going to protect her

[00:22:50] She's not going to do real press counts or real interviews

[00:22:52] But we'll at least have that one occasion. It will undoubtedly get you're a super bowl sized audience

[00:22:57] We see what happened to joe biden

[00:22:58] I mean it literally took him out of out of public life after 50 years one debate

[00:23:02] So one debate can do a lot um and uh, I hope and believe that that's when she will be scrutinized

[00:23:08] By the american people and they'll say okay number one

[00:23:10] She just talks in ludicrous platypsons. It's just word salads that go nowhere and mean nothing

[00:23:16] Something that might fly

[00:23:17] In her hometown of berkeley at the university of cal berkeley, you know faculty lounge

[00:23:21] But doesn't work for regular americans who know they're struggling in their lives right now

[00:23:25] But number two when she does say things that are actually sort of definable and sensible

[00:23:30] They are far too left for most americans to agree with so

[00:23:34] I'm confident we're going to get there but all of us have to really really do

[00:23:37] I always had to do two things you gotta pray and you gotta work. All right

[00:23:41] We do those two things. I think by election day we prevail

[00:23:44] I think you're exactly right with that and we have

[00:23:49] This one

[00:23:50] Be airing in a week or more from now

[00:23:53] So it we just saw at the time of this recording the interview that she did was cnn

[00:24:00] Um, which of course got edited down to only be 18 minutes

[00:24:04] And as of this recording the transcript hasn't been released

[00:24:07] But even in that I noticed two things that you were were talking about

[00:24:11] She she does talk in words salads when they were asking her specifically about fracking

[00:24:17] One of the things she said was my position has not changed

[00:24:21] Well, you're you actually just said your position changed from 2019 to 2020

[00:24:27] But now you're saying your position didn't change. It did change your your policy positions change

[00:24:32] So

[00:24:34] She doesn't even tell the truth. She just used throw things out that she thinks

[00:24:39] Will work for her

[00:24:40] Um, and then I also noticed that she was talking about how things were difficult over the last decade

[00:24:47] And talking about trump. Well trump was only president for four years

[00:24:50] The rest of the time a democrat was president

[00:24:53] So if things were bad over the last decade for six of those years

[00:24:57] It was either her as vice president or biden as vice president or president obama. So

[00:25:03] Look in a mirror

[00:25:04] But I they're letting her get away with it because the follow-up question to that wasn't

[00:25:09] But trump was only president for four years

[00:25:11] It just sort of let it slide as if trump has been in charge for a decade. Yeah

[00:25:16] No, you're exactly correct and danabash who conducted that interview by the way, let me let me try to be fair

[00:25:21] I thought danabash uh and jake tabber shockingly to me

[00:25:24] Did a pretty good job during the biden trump debate

[00:25:27] And I think it's one of the reasons buttons no longer the nominees that they were pretty fair moderators

[00:25:32] And you know wouldn't I think a lot of us who support president trump were frankly surprised. I certainly was

[00:25:36] I also know both of them quite well. I used to work for cnn

[00:25:39] Believe it or not. I went there at the request of donald trump and for two years was on prime time almost every night on

[00:25:45] Cnn I was effectively the scott jennings role that he has now their lone conservative that they put out there and everybody teams up on

[00:25:51] I think he's doing an excellent job

[00:25:52] By the way, and I know from experience is not an easy job

[00:25:55] But anyway, uh, so I want to give some credit to danabash for in the debate at least being pretty fair

[00:26:00] But boy did she revert back to form to to liberal leftist bias form in that interview of kamala harris

[00:26:08] She did not press her. She didn't press her with follow-up questions, you know, for example on fracking

[00:26:11] I mean, that's just a layout to say no, you have changed your position now. Can you explain why? Okay

[00:26:17] It's okay for a politician to change a position now. That's a pretty massive change in just four years

[00:26:21] but explain it to us right uh

[00:26:24] None of those kinds of follow-up questions

[00:26:26] Of course, there wasn't even time for those kinds of follow-up questions because as you point out only 18 minutes of total airtime

[00:26:32] Well, the interviewer talks a lot. Uh, tim walsh was there inexplicably. I guess it's sort of a you know a support pet on

[00:26:40] security blanket

[00:26:40] Yeah, um, so you know very little actual talk time

[00:26:44] But again, I I wish I could tell you hey corporate media is going to hold her feet to the fire

[00:26:49] She's gonna have to answer the type questions. I don't believe that I don't

[00:26:52] Outside the debate. So, you know, thankfully we'll give at least one debate. It looks like maybe two

[00:26:57] You know, there's a lot of machinations and negotiations going on there

[00:27:01] But I I I hope and believe I don't want to be pessimistic

[00:27:04] I hope and believe that that will be enough

[00:27:06] To expose the American people who she really is and again another thing that I can tell you from my surveys

[00:27:12] Is uh, the American media I mentioned food prices gasoline prices

[00:27:15] He gets even broader than that for example, we pulled the swing state of arizona

[00:27:19] And this was frankly just sad to to find out and to learn what's the reality on the ground

[00:27:23] Uh, we asked is the american dream attainable

[00:27:25] 18 percent of arizona said yes, that is it 18 percent

[00:27:30] And in case you think well, maybe steve has got a bad poll

[00:27:33] Very similar result from the wall street journal

[00:27:35] Which has been conducting a poll for over 30 years with the university of chicago where they ask

[00:27:39] Are your children going to be better off than you are?

[00:27:41] So similar question in many ways, right? And then the american dreams at least partly about your children

[00:27:46] That just hit 80 percent saying no

[00:27:49] She's 78 percent exactly saying no the children will not be better off than I am that is the worst by far

[00:27:55] The worst mark in a survey that goes back 35 years

[00:27:58] So the pessimism right now is pervasive in america and uh, and for that reason I believe

[00:28:06] That the incumbent party and to your point the democrats have now been the economic party in the white house

[00:28:11] By the time the elections are offered for 12 of 16 years and the actual incumbent vice president as much as she she pretends

[00:28:18] She's new to the scene the incumbent vice president

[00:28:21] I believe will will own that lane and will have to to wear that pessimism

[00:28:26] That is so pervasive right now among the american people and by the way just even outside of politics

[00:28:32] Those are just sad statistics that we need to reverse because it's not the history of america

[00:28:36] It certainly isn't what made america great

[00:28:38] America has always been a country of unbounded optimism

[00:28:41] It's one of the reasons that we always differed from where most of us came from in europe or in latin america, right?

[00:28:47] I mean an entirely different ethos here. We're losing that right now

[00:28:50] We're losing it in systemic ways not in ways that are just temporary

[00:28:54] So it's it's just critical that we reverse all of that and part of the reverse

[00:28:57] And that's not the only aspect but part of reversing all that I firmly believe

[00:29:01] Is electing donald trump and electing jd vance and let me just say a few words if I could about jd vance

[00:29:07] Somebody I'm very tight with personally. I worked for him most of 2022 in his senate run in ohio

[00:29:12] I think he's doing a terrific job on the campaign trail talking about somebody willing to take on tough interviews almost every day

[00:29:18] He does an incredibly confrontational interview with cnn or msnbc or mbc. You name it

[00:29:23] I mean, this is a guy

[00:29:24] With the intellect and the guts to say I can handle these questions

[00:29:28] I don't need a teleprompter. I don't need a security blanket

[00:29:30] You know my running mates see it's any next to me even though trump's incredible

[00:29:34] Doesn't need that

[00:29:35] Not only is it crucial. I think for us to to elect donald trump, of course

[00:29:39] But if we do that, we then have this incredibly young

[00:29:43] vibrant super smart

[00:29:45] Vice president who I believe will be the driver's seat to then become president afterward if we talk about 12 years of trump

[00:29:52] Followed by eight years of you know total four years of trump followed by eight years of jd vance

[00:29:56] I think we can reverse a lot of those problems that so afflict america like that that crisis of of confidence

[00:30:03] That that is revealed in my polling and in public polling out there

[00:30:06] 12 years combined of trump and vance as president could really do wonders for this country

[00:30:12] It's something you know worth working towards so there's a lot of reasons to be worried and anxious about the country

[00:30:17] I get all of that

[00:30:19] You know, believe me, you know

[00:30:20] Four children I worry a ton about their future. They are not growing up in the country. I grew up in

[00:30:25] Um, and then that's that's vexing and worrisome

[00:30:28] But I also believe there are there are valid reasons to be really optimistic and to me the biggest one

[00:30:33] When I look at the public sphere that the public policy realm is

[00:30:36] Man 12 years of of trump and vance could really do a heck of a lot. So let's make it happen

[00:30:42] I I think that you're exactly right about that. Um, I want to see I want to

[00:30:47] I have a couple other questions, but I want to see something about

[00:30:50] About food food prices

[00:30:53] um

[00:30:54] I was talking to someone a few months ago. It may have been about a year ago

[00:31:00] And this is a mother. She has four children a daughter and three boys and the boys are

[00:31:07] Teenage boys and becoming teenage boys. They eat. Yeah, they eat a lot

[00:31:12] And you know how you were mentioning that it was surprising to you to find out that the food prices hit harder than

[00:31:18] Than housing. I think that there may be two two other factors for that one is the fact that

[00:31:26] mortgage mortgage prices are

[00:31:28] Very difficult if you have a variable interest rate loans

[00:31:32] So all of a sudden it costs more or if you have purchased a house recently and taken out a loan and had to pay that higher interest

[00:31:40] But there are a lot of people in this country who are able to lock in a fixed rate at a low rate

[00:31:45] And so that mortgage change may not be affecting them as much because they

[00:31:50] They they were smart enough and able to lock it in and they have a lower rate

[00:31:54] So it's it's still a good portion of their their monthly income

[00:32:00] But it isn't as bad as it could be for other people

[00:32:03] The second thing is what this this friend of mine said

[00:32:07] She was talking about the cost of food and she actually

[00:32:12] Started crying and she had tears in her eyes because she was saying she didn't know if she was going to be able to

[00:32:18] afford all of the groceries at this point and her children are drinking a gallon of milk almost every day

[00:32:24] If it's not every day, it's every day and a half. She's going through a gallon of milk and um

[00:32:30] this is

[00:32:32] I think that part of the reason it it hits home so much is not just the fact that it costs more and that's annoying

[00:32:38] But as moms and providers and the one who nurtures

[00:32:43] Your children you worry about that am I going to be able to provide the food that my children need because they have to have this

[00:32:50] To live and it in that becomes I think part of that that reason why that bothers people even more than housing

[00:32:57] Yeah, that makes the great sense. Uh, and

[00:33:00] Yeah, because you're right. It's it's emotional as well as intellectual, right?

[00:33:04] And as well as just being purely sort of rational of you know, this this cost is a problem. It's also

[00:33:10] A matter of being a good parent

[00:33:11] Right literally feeding your kids and by the way, let me put some numbers on that too though

[00:33:16] Just to be to be rational because I'm a numbers guy

[00:33:19] Right now cpi says and I think there's a lot of problems with the consumer price

[00:33:23] It's the way it measures inflation

[00:33:24] I think a vastly understates inflation

[00:33:25] But even cpi says that since Kamala Harris took office as vice president that grocery prices are up 20%

[00:33:31] And that's bad enough. It's horrific. Okay in just three and a half years, but

[00:33:36] The biden and in here is their own department of agriculture

[00:33:39] So Kamala's department of ag USDA puts out what I think is much more accurate

[00:33:44] And it's called the thrifty plant

[00:33:46] So this is this is grocery prices where they literally put together a basket of common grocery items

[00:33:51] For a family of four who are trying to be frugal hence the name thrifty

[00:33:55] Okay, so this is not luxury items. This certainly isn't going out to dinner. It's not ordering door dash. Okay

[00:33:59] That has gone from when she took office. It was $675 per month for a family of four according to the USDA

[00:34:06] It is now $975 a month. It's up $300 a month. That's 44 percent

[00:34:12] Since Kamala Harris took office. That's an extra $75 a week

[00:34:16] Now to some families and extra $75 a week is crushing to them

[00:34:20] Really really matters to the budget

[00:34:22] Especially in light of everything else that's going on in their budget and to your point

[00:34:25] If they don't have a locked in low-edged straight mortars, you know, they're paying rent and the rent keeps getting reset since Kamala took office

[00:34:32] They're paying rent car insurance is absolutely soaring every price in their life is soaring then on top of that

[00:34:37] An extra $75 a month just to eat. Uh, just you know for survival

[00:34:42] It's it's just it's crushing to a lot of families

[00:34:44] And that's why we see that those families aren't doing well

[00:34:47] I'll point this out too one thing I would say about Kamala Harris is and you know, this is why the

[00:34:50] The democrats of course pretend to be the party of the working class, but they're exactly the opposite

[00:34:55] If you are already very successful

[00:34:58] The policies of Harris and biden might actually be good for you

[00:35:02] What I mean by that is let's say you have an extremely valuable home

[00:35:06] And you either have a super low locked in mortgage or even you've paid for it's a paid for home

[00:35:10] An inflationary economy is actually pretty good for you

[00:35:14] You can give the value of your house is inflating

[00:35:16] If you own a lot of assets the value of assets generally are inflated

[00:35:19] So the very small percentage of americans who have a tremendous amount of assets and it's a tiny portion of the country

[00:35:25] But people who can live off of their assets rather than off of their pay

[00:35:29] They're doing okay in this economy, which is one of the reasons that they're overwhelmingly democratic

[00:35:34] Which is why we see that for example, you know urban highly credentialed elites

[00:35:39] Overwhelmingly supported. I see this in my polling. It's out there in all the public polling overwhelmingly support

[00:35:43] Biden and now Kamala Harris

[00:35:45] But the masses of working class people who if they do own significant assets, it's in their 401k

[00:35:51] And it's for either a rainy day or it's for their retirement, you know decades and now who who are living off of their income

[00:35:57] We're living off of their paychecks

[00:35:59] Uh, that's again almost all of america. Those folks are really suffering economically

[00:36:05] And then they express that to us in the polling. It's obvious in metrics like grocery prices

[00:36:10] Fin it's it's the most compelling reason that plus open border the two most compelling reasons why

[00:36:16] We need a change in leadership why we need

[00:36:18] Kamala Harris to be fired from the white house and to be replaced by a second term for dava trump

[00:36:24] That's exactly right. And that's 75 a week. That's almost

[00:36:29] $4,000 a year

[00:36:31] And that is that is extracurricular activities for your children or your family vacation

[00:36:38] Or you're no longer able to save for the future at all that it

[00:36:41] It adds up

[00:36:43] It may not seem like a lot on the surface when you say 75 dollars a week

[00:36:47] But when you think about it over the course of the entire year, I think that

[00:36:52] That there are probably a lot of families right now who aren't going on vacation

[00:36:55] Or their kids are not involved in as many activities as they want them to be involved in

[00:37:00] Just because they can't they can't afford it, right?

[00:37:03] No, absolutely

[00:37:03] Families are really having to make hard choices and I think a lot of the the quote important people in society, Jenny Beth

[00:37:08] They don't get this and i'm not sure they even care to get it. Uh, and i'm talking about you know, for example politicians

[00:37:14] corporate CEOs

[00:37:16] Media mavens right in the cellar corridor and you know newsrooms in washington dc

[00:37:20] And new york because to them and maybe in their social circles things seem things seem like they are okay

[00:37:26] But they're not okay for warring glass people and you're exactly right people are having to make really hard choices

[00:37:30] Like uh, you know, I can I get my son the new pair of shoes that he really needs

[00:37:35] For uh for this upcoming season, you know for football season now or basketball travel team

[00:37:40] Can I afford the travel team costs this year? Uh, maybe not right?

[00:37:44] um

[00:37:45] These kinds of hard choices are being made all over the country again because the necessities have become so difficult to afford

[00:37:51] And why is that happen because of the inflationary policies of kamala harris and joe biden because of the

[00:37:58] Exorbitant borrowing and spending on boondoggles like the so-called inflation reduction act, which is really just all green new deal

[00:38:07] nonsense

[00:38:08] um a giant scam that benefits their cronies benefits big business

[00:38:14] But has created inflation that crushes regular americans. That's the reality

[00:38:19] We're dealing with right now and and we've got to effectively communicate that to the american people

[00:38:23] And if we do again, you know, then I think we prevail but it's it's our job

[00:38:27] It's incumbent upon all of us to to be as persuasive and um, and as effective as we can be in making sure that people understand it because also

[00:38:35] Listen, I'll be the first to admit like I spent 25 years as a bond trader before I got into politics

[00:38:40] So for me inflation interest rates all this is second hand for most people it isn't

[00:38:44] You know economics when we start talking economy, they know that they're hurting

[00:38:47] But when we start talking interest rates and we start talking inflation rates cpi versus ppi

[00:38:52] A lot of people understandably their eyes please though. They're like, oh gosh

[00:38:55] I don't get this. I'm not all that quantitative. I'm not other than mathematical

[00:38:58] So I think the more we put it in in really easily digestible tangible terms

[00:39:03] For example, I will use percentages

[00:39:05] But I actually prefer to use dollar figures because I just think it's more effective with regular folks

[00:39:10] Especially if they're not all that statistically inclined

[00:39:13] Let's use dollar figures that the more we try to explain

[00:39:16] complex scenarios and um and complex

[00:39:19] Cause effects situations in ways that are easily digestible for people who may not be

[00:39:25] Fallen financial markets closer or may not be super mathematical the more effective

[00:39:28] I think will be at at earning their votes because they know they're hurting right?

[00:39:31] I mean, we don't have to explain that to anybody. They know that there's anxiety

[00:39:34] They know there's not enough money in the bank account

[00:39:36] They know that they cringe at the checkout line at the grocery store or at the gas pump

[00:39:40] I know all of that is known to them

[00:39:42] They know that they can't afford a house or they have grown children

[00:39:44] Who are nowhere near being able to afford a house

[00:39:47] You know, for example, getting back to my polling housing affordability

[00:39:50] We we've tested that at every swing state

[00:39:53] We and we ask is a can a middle class family afford to own a home in your state

[00:39:58] And in almost every state we get in the 80% range. No, you know again

[00:40:02] So very similar to that American dream

[00:40:04] Question will my children be better off

[00:40:06] Roughly 80% depending on the state say no that of sometimes even higher Arizona because they really have high housing there in Arizona

[00:40:13] Actually, my that's just as it was 88% said no, you can't get 88% of America's degree on anything

[00:40:18] You can't get them to agree on what what month it is. It's such a polarized country politically

[00:40:23] But in the 80s agree middle-class people can't buy a home and forget about it if you're young

[00:40:30] And aspirational and want to get married or you're married and want to have children

[00:40:33] They want to want to get in that bigger home. It's just become impossible

[00:40:36] And these are because of policy failures. This isn't bad luck. This isn't the business cycle

[00:40:41] This isn't just the way things have to be

[00:40:43] This is a created crisis created crises really plural

[00:40:48] Because of the policies of joe biden and kamala Harrison by the way

[00:40:51] Because we've mostly been talking about the economy if I could tie that back to the border

[00:40:55] Jenny bet there's so many reasons an open border is terrible. It's terrible for our street safety terrible for our national security

[00:41:00] We know who the heck is coming to this country for example

[00:41:03] Tens of thousands of chinese nationals who we just take their word for and who they are

[00:41:07] They're presented in many cases literally paper ids that they then discard the minute they walk across the border

[00:41:12] So it's terrible for a lot of reasons, but it's also terrible

[00:41:15] Economically and specifically related to inflation because millions and millions and there's been at least 10 million illegal migrants

[00:41:21] Who've entered under joe biden kamala harris?

[00:41:24] They create inflation for example, they need to be housed and many of them being housed

[00:41:29] At our expense by the way, but what does that do it drops of housing prices

[00:41:33] And we're borrowing the money to pay for them which drives up interest rates, which drives up housing prices even more

[00:41:39] So it becomes a awful sort of circular

[00:41:42] Situation that that is so exacerbated by an open border

[00:41:46] So like these questions are not entirely separate that in some ways they're inextricably linked

[00:41:50] The open border and the inflationary crisis in the united states and and we can end both of them

[00:41:55] I mean that's the the beautiful thing. There are some

[00:41:58] Problems and challenges that we face in this country that are that are frankly difficult to solve

[00:42:01] And and maybe are not solvable saying year one or two

[00:42:05] Excuse me of a trump vance presidency

[00:42:07] But as far as the border and as far as getting a handle on interest rates

[00:42:11] These are these are problems that we can solve and solve quickly if we make the right decision on November 5th

[00:42:16] Yeah, it it seems

[00:42:19] To probably to the average person it seems like something that would be very difficult to solve

[00:42:23] But it is easily solvable. It doesn't mean that it's going to be solved

[00:42:29] You know at the flip of a switch but it

[00:42:32] A flip of a switch to pass some good legislation

[00:42:35] And then give that legislation just a little bit of time to to kick in and we'll notice the difference almost

[00:42:42] Not immediately but very quickly and that benefits all of us whether you're a republican or democrat

[00:42:48] If we've got a better economy and we've got a secure border, we're all going to be better off

[00:42:53] Absolutely absolutely no and we can do it

[00:42:56] And you know particularly comes to the border because that's one of the places where the united states president actually has

[00:43:01] Really significant unilateral power by statute by the way. I mean not you know because he's assumed it

[00:43:06] I mean if you read and i've actually read because i care so much about the issue

[00:43:09] You know read our immigration statutes and the president hasn't always almost keen like power now

[00:43:14] Donald Trump was often thwarted by the courts

[00:43:16] Who you know made terrible rulings to try to to frustrate him

[00:43:20] I talked to him quite a bit about that when he was president his first term

[00:43:23] And I always encourage him in some cases to defy them. You know when they made rulings that were just totally inane and not based in law at all

[00:43:30] Um, they're work defined or at least work challenging all the way to the supreme court

[00:43:34] Sometimes he didn't do that. I think that'll be different on the second term

[00:43:36] I hope it will be um, and i'm confident it will be but like to give you a specific example

[00:43:41] The president united states can refuse entry into the united states for any foreign national for any reason literally

[00:43:48] Okay, even somebody who is allowed to come to the united states who was coming here on vacation

[00:43:52] I mean he literally for any reason

[00:43:55] Can refuse any foreign national and I just only offer that as an example of how vast the powers are

[00:44:00] regarding the border and uh, and I

[00:44:03] Believe and hope that donald trump as president will will use those powers wisely and effectively and and relatively quickly

[00:44:09] Yeah, it's not day one, but it's not it's not it's not day 1000 either. It's not three years in

[00:44:15] I mean it's gonna be it's gonna be

[00:44:17] You know quickly enough that it will be very noticeable

[00:44:20] That's right

[00:44:21] So a couple other questions

[00:44:23] You mentioned arizona and what people there think about the american dream and um, the cost of housing and the affordability of housing for middle class people

[00:44:34] What are do you notice any differences between the the battleground states in terms of of the

[00:44:41] When you dig into the issues are some things more important in one state versus another? Yeah

[00:44:46] This is a great question

[00:44:48] uh, arizona and nevada the the two western battleground states housing a much bigger issue

[00:44:54] In those two states and uh, and that has been it means we deal every but a but a bigger deal there

[00:45:00] And um, and I would say that the the crime issue we found in your home state of georgia

[00:45:05] Much bigger issue particularly if we ask any questions related to lake and riley that awful totally preventable tragedy

[00:45:11] Unfortunately, most americans just don't know that story

[00:45:15] Right, they just don't know that this beautiful 22 year old young woman

[00:45:18] Nursery student was murdered in broad daylight on the campus of a seemingly safe

[00:45:22] University of georgia by an illegal alien who didn't just cross the border illegally but had been arrested twice

[00:45:27] Uh, after crossing the border in the united states and was not deported arrested both in new york city

[00:45:32] Which is a so-called sanctuary city and then in athens georgia, which is a so-called sanctuary city

[00:45:37] And we have very liberal enclave within an otherwise, you know

[00:45:40] purplish to slightly red state

[00:45:42] of georgia

[00:45:44] They are very but georgians are keenly aware of the lake and riley story and because of that

[00:45:49] They are they are more insistent on secure borders and they're more worried about crime for example

[00:45:54] So we do find those kinds of differences in general. We're not finding significant differences

[00:45:59] Not in general, but there are certainly things

[00:46:02] That do pop up one thing that pops up in north carolina

[00:46:05] I think this is fascinating north carolina again

[00:46:07] Our state did leans conservative to swing state but a leans red

[00:46:10] But it has some really really liberal cities within it places like ashril

[00:46:14] The whole area around the universities around duke and university north carolina that county very very liberal

[00:46:19] And because of that north carolina, we've pulled on this north carolina has some municipal and county

[00:46:25] Reparations movements that are going on and they're pretty significant and literally take money from from

[00:46:30] Hispanic asian and white citizens and give it to black citizens for crimes that were committed before any of us were born

[00:46:36] For things that happened 160 years ago in the united states. Kamala Harris is pro-reparations, by the way

[00:46:41] She's on the record as saying she is pro-reparations and i'm doing my best to get that message out there

[00:46:46] I hope the trump campaign does as well

[00:46:48] I think it would be magnificent if he would confront her about this

[00:46:51] On the debate stage because I don't think she can run away from it like some of the other issues

[00:46:54] Where she claims all that was just a 2020 position. She has said it as vice president

[00:46:58] She's in favor of reparations but getting back to the polling in north carolina what we find is I think it's just because there's an awareness

[00:47:05] North carolinians are over

[00:47:07] Americans broadly are overwhelmingly against reparations, but they are particularly so in north carolina

[00:47:13] And I think it's because they're seeing it literally start to happen in their home state not statewide

[00:47:18] But again in these sort of liberal enclaves

[00:47:21] Where people want to feel good about themselves by punishing white people for the color of their skin

[00:47:24] Which of course is about the most big thing you could possibly do

[00:47:28] Is say i'm going to literally tax you for something you didn't do

[00:47:31] But because of your pigmentation i'm going to tax you and make you pay. I can't think of anything more bigoted

[00:47:37] But that's what caramel hairs believe so let's let's out her on this. Let's expose her for who she is

[00:47:42] And and I I think if we do that again

[00:47:44] That's gonna help build the momentum to to pop the balloon of the sugar high that the media has created for her

[00:47:51] Okay, and then the last question that I have unless there's something that I did uncover you think that I should cover

[00:47:57] What do you think the effect of

[00:48:00] Robert kennedy jr. Dropping out and effectively endorsing while he did endorse trump

[00:48:07] How is that going to affect the battlegrounds? Yeah, listen. It's a great question in the trump campaign

[00:48:11] Put on a memo that was pretty convincing. I think it was 24 breezy

[00:48:14] It was a good pollster who believes that it's going to pick them up one percent

[00:48:17] It's going to pick trump up 1%

[00:48:19] In total in the battleground states. Uh, I'm a little less optimistic than that

[00:48:23] I think it helps trump but from my analysis, it's probably more like a half a percent. Now, listen half percent can matter

[00:48:28] Okay, it could be determinative in these races if they're as close as they were last time where states were decided by

[00:48:33] As few as 8,000 votes, right? So, um, you know, 43,000 votes last cycle

[00:48:40] Reverses the entire election in a country of 330 million. So can it matter? Yes, it absolutely can

[00:48:45] I'm not quite as optimistic as some people and here's the reason I think it matters that rfk endorse trump

[00:48:50] I certainly want to do my best to try to persuade rfk supporters that they belong with us

[00:48:55] That we won't agree on everything clearly

[00:48:57] But that if they have much more in common with us than they do the democrats

[00:49:00] Certainly rfk himself has determined that but here's the problem jenny but as those rfk supporters

[00:49:06] tend to be fiercely independent in their mentality

[00:49:09] And so they won't even though they supported rfk. No one necessarily listened to rfk

[00:49:14] Afterward the way trump supporters would or the way frankly kamala Harris supporters would

[00:49:18] You know in terms of determining there or swaying their votes. So I think it's helpful

[00:49:23] I don't think it's a game changer

[00:49:25] But I think it's a super sharp guide a lot of ways

[00:49:28] I've got problems with a lot of rfk stands for two, but particularly when it comes to issues like medical freedom

[00:49:32] I think he's fantastic

[00:49:33] I would love for him to get some sort of significant role in the trump administration particularly as it pertains

[00:49:38] To fda to big pharma

[00:49:41] And and it I should go even further than I guess just broadly in terms of health

[00:49:46] I think he's got a lot of interesting things to say. He's extremely rigorous and scientific about it

[00:49:50] Not to mention for a 70 year old guy, holy cow. Does he look fantastic?

[00:49:53] We should all look like him at 70 years old. So he's a role model

[00:49:57] As well and in terms of the health wellness big pharma

[00:50:01] Public policy regarding health. I would hope that he gets a significant role in the trump administration

[00:50:05] I think he could do a lot of good for the country

[00:50:07] Okay, that's that is helpful to know

[00:50:09] And I have met people who who support him and I agree with them, especially when it comes to

[00:50:18] The issues of health care and not having lockdowns and

[00:50:21] And you're right. They are they are very independent. So I hope that

[00:50:27] I hope that as they now look at the field as it

[00:50:31] It narrows down that they use that independence to choose a candidate who will support their independence

[00:50:38] And not try to find a one size fits all solution for health care and a whole lot of other problems in our country

[00:50:44] Yeah, exactly. Not again. I'm confident it will be helpful

[00:50:48] I don't know that it's going to be a massive issue, but I believe it will be helpful. Yes

[00:50:52] Very good. Well, did I miss anything that you think we need to cover?

[00:50:56] No, listen, I mean, I thank you for the work you're doing and it is so critical

[00:51:00] And of course, I know you're working all over the country, but particularly

[00:51:03] Effective in Georgia and you'll look I I believe that we're going to win

[00:51:07] But again, I just want to exhort and implore everybody out there. Let's let's just work our tails off

[00:51:12] We have a country to save and only have weeks to do it

[00:51:15] We can do it, but it's gotta it's gotta really take prayer to work

[00:51:18] Well, thank you so much for joining me today, Steve. I really appreciate it and I enjoyed our conversation

[00:51:23] Thank you. Jenna, but you should appreciate it. Thank you

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