Border Security: Biden Released 10,186 in One Month. Now It Is Zero | Rosemary Jenks

[00:00:00] In August of 2024, when Biden was still president, the Border Patrol released 10,186 illegal aliens into our country in one month. In August of this year, they released zero. It has been zero for the past 16 months straight. And yesterday, the Democratic nominee for the United States Senate in Michigan said, abolish ICE. In 21 days, you decide who runs the United States Senate.

[00:00:28] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin. Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show.

[00:00:50] It's easy to forget how bad the border was under Joe Biden because things are so much better right now. In fiscal year 2023, the Border Patrol caught nearly 2.5 million people crossing our southern border illegally. That is more than more people that live in the city of Houston in one year.

[00:01:10] In August of this year, it was 8,870 versus 2.5 million. The Department of Homeland Security says that is a 94, 94% below the monthly average under President Biden. For four years, we were told the border could not be secured without a brand new law from Congress. And actually, it wasn't just four years. We've been told this for, for over 10 years since Tea Party Patriots Action

[00:01:39] began working on the border issue. That is one of the things we've been told. President Trump secured it with existing law. Catch and release is over. The White House says no more than 3 million people, now more than 3 million people have left the country who were here illegally since he took office, and most of them left on their own.

[00:02:02] The work goes past the border as well. Last week, Vice President Vance and the Labor Department went after companies that game our visa programs to replace American workers, and federal investigators have opened fraud investigations into visa sponsorship programs at nine major universities.

[00:02:21] The White House Task Force to Eliminate Fraud says it has identified more than $235 billion in fraud so far, and that's about $690 back to every American.

[00:02:35] Maybe not exactly back, but it's $690 to every American taxpayer. Some of it was committed by people who came here illegally. Some of the fraud, of course, was committed by people who are here legally and also by American citizens.

[00:02:52] Every dollar of fraud comes out of our pocket and our tax dollars, and so every dollar they can cut makes a huge difference in our national debt, in where we are able to protect the people we are intending to protect with government programs. And hopefully, at some point, it can make a difference and we can have lower taxes because we are not spending so much in fraud payments. So let's go back over to Michigan.

[00:03:20] In Michigan, Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic nominee for the Senate there, the race is in a dead heat between El-Sayed and Mike Rogers. And El-Sayed's statement, abolish ICE, is the same demand that the Democratic Socialists of America put out this weekend. Speaker Mike Johnson has put it plainly. If Democrats take over Congress, he said they will want amnesty for illegal aliens and they will want to reopen the border.

[00:03:48] However, almost everything President Trump has done at the border, a future administration could undo. And a Congress run by the left could defund DHS and shut down the government for even longer than the two months that the Democrats shut it down this past year. That's why a permanent law is so important. And we have worked to try to get the permanent Trump Secure Border Act passed. It really and truly matters.

[00:04:18] It would write the policies that President Trump has been using into law. It passed the House Judiciary Committee in July, and it's still waiting on a House vote on the floor of the House. My guest for this whole hour is Rosemary Jinks. She's the co-founder and policy director of the Immigration Accountability Project.

[00:04:38] And in September, she testified before the House Judiciary Committee on what Congress has done and what Congress can do to make the Trump policies permanent. Rosemary, thank you so much for joining me today. It's always a pleasure, Jenny Beth. I'm just so glad you're on for the whole hour so we can talk about the things that are going right with the border and then ways we can improve it.

[00:05:02] And also the danger of what could happen if we don't maintain a conservative control of the House and the Senate. Rosemary, you watch December's every month. Comparing the border in December of 2023 to right now, maybe not just 2023, but also in December of 2024, right before President Trump became president. What has changed and how has it changed?

[00:05:31] So, Jenny Beth, you were talking in your introduction about the monthly averages and the comparisons. Well, to go down a little bit deeper, during the Biden administration, we routinely saw illegal immigration at 10,000 to 12,000 people per day, every single day. 10,000 to 12,000 people. Right now, under President Trump, the average is 250 a day.

[00:06:02] So, you know, 12,250. That's a huge difference. The other difference, though, is that virtually all of the illegal aliens the Biden administration apprehended were released into the United States. The fact is that under President Trump, only a tiny fraction are coming into the United States at all. So, you know, the difference is massive.

[00:06:28] Now, does that mean that Americans see this in their daily lives? Not necessarily because, you know, we still have to figure out how to move all of the people who came under Biden back out of the country. And that is something that is hard. It's hard for a nation to do that. It takes a lot of willpower, a lot of resources. We're working toward that, but we're not there yet. So, you know, we don't necessarily see the difference in our daily lives.

[00:06:58] Well, we do see the difference is on our TV screens. We no longer have the massive lines of the caravans of people coming into the United States. We don't have the massive numbers of people under the bridge in Del Rio, Texas. You know, the news stories are not reporting at all, really, about illegal immigration because it's not a news story anymore because it's not really happening.

[00:07:21] So, I mean, this is it's historic that what the president has done to control illegal immigration is absolutely historic and it will have a lasting impact if we can keep it going. And that is you are absolutely right.

[00:07:38] If Republicans don't maintain the control of Congress, there is a very real chance that we will not be able to sustain the massive reductions in illegal immigration that the president has generated. Rosemary, could you get back through those numbers one more time? You said that it was 10 to 12,250 per day under President Biden.

[00:08:04] And then I think that you sent a message and corrected me when I said there were zero releases of the border. So make sure that we get that correct, because it's much more important that I'm that we have the right information to people than for me to have a talking point that is not correct. And one more thing is you were saying that I quickly did a search now, assuming that the AI that answered this is correct.

[00:08:28] It says that we have 14,768 cities with a population below 5000 people. And we have 300 cities with a resident threshold above 100,000. So that means 14, almost 15,000 cities were small, smaller than the number of people being released per day under President Biden.

[00:08:58] Yeah, that's absolutely right. I mean, those numbers, we've never seen anything like those numbers in our entire history. That was insane. On the releases, it is a standard talking point from the administration that there have been zero releases of illegal aliens. And in technical terms, it's kind of true.

[00:09:22] The problem is that we still have laws that require DHS to turn unaccompanied minor children over to HHS. So any unaccompanied minor who crosses the border illegally and is apprehended by the Border Patrol is immediately turned over to Health and Human Services. And that's not counted as a release by DHS because it's technically not DHS doing the release. So it's HHS doing the release.

[00:09:51] The same thing happens if the Border Patrol turns somebody, an illegal alien, over to ICE and then ICE releases them. It's not counted as a release because it's technically not the Border Patrol releasing. Now, that being said, there is no question that President Trump has stopped catch and release. So under Biden, you got caught at the border.

[00:10:14] I mean, this is why, if you remember, illegal aliens were turning themselves into the Border Patrol under Biden because they knew that the Border Patrol would just release them, give them a plane ticket or a bus ticket and release them into the United States. That is not the case anymore. The only time aliens are being released into the country is when our laws require DHS to turn them over to someone else to be released. So that it is a huge difference.

[00:10:42] And President Biden's people told us for years that they couldn't secure the border without a new law. And, Rosemary, you and I remember back from the Gang of Eight when I first met you that we were being told the exact same thing back then. And that was like in 2013 or 2013. Thankfully, we prevented amnesty then. And we keep doing the best that we can to prevent it.

[00:11:07] How much of what President Trump has done was already law on the books? And why didn't any other president just enact the laws the way President Trump has? Everything that President Trump has done has been within existing law. Now, he and his administration have come up with some creative ideas in the first term.

[00:11:30] They came up with the remain in Mexico policy, which the law does allow, but which nobody had ever considered doing before. The catch and release is not allowed under our current law. The parole programs that Joe Biden instituted are not allowed under our current law. So President Trump did two things. He went back to actually enforcing what the law says.

[00:11:55] And he used it creatively and with will to actually do the job. So, I mean, it is absurd that, you know, anyone would claim that we can't secure our border without new legislation. That's just ridiculous. Now, that doesn't mean that we don't need legislation to require the next administration to do exactly what President Trump would do.

[00:12:25] And that is what the bill that you mentioned, Congressman Chip Roy's permanent Trump Secure Border Act, would do. All right. And we're going to come back to that bill in in a few minutes. And we've got clips from your testimony before we do that. Let's finish out this this section section. The White House says that asylum is granted to about seven percent of the cases.

[00:12:54] And under President Biden, it was at over 50 percent. So I guess right now they're granting asylum to about seven percent of the cases of people who are coming to the country who are seeking asylum. And with President Biden, it was over 50 percent. Is that am I understanding that correctly? And how can it go from over 50 percent to to such a low numbers?

[00:13:18] Does that go to what you just said about how what President Biden was doing with parole was not allowed under the law? So the asylum rules are actually very clear in the law. But the asylum judges, the immigration judges, are under the auspices of the Department of Justice. They're not separate Article three courts. So the Department of Justice sets the rules that the judges have to follow.

[00:13:46] Under the Biden administration, if you came in and said, you know, I was a victim of sexual assault or domestic violence or I'm transgender or whatever, and I would face persecution in my home country, you could get asylum. Under the Trump administration, we went back to what is in the law, which is that you have to be show a well-founded fear of persecution on the basis of race, religion, political opinion, membership in a particular social group.

[00:14:16] So it is clearly defined as not including generalized violence in your home country, not including gang violence, not including domestic violence. It is government prosecuting you for essentially politics or social group or religion. So just enforcing that strictly makes a huge difference in the asylum claims.

[00:14:43] Now, the other thing was, of course, under the Biden administration, the system was so overwhelmed that it seems that people were just kind of passed through and rubber stamped rather than actually being vetted. I mean, we know that the terrorists who crossed the border illegally were just rubber stamped into the United States under Joe Biden. That is not the case under President Trump, thankfully. And well, yes, absolutely.

[00:15:09] It is very thankful and no telling exactly who is here in the country that came in in the previous four years. And that kind of leads into the next question. We know that this administration has been working to deport people and more than three million people have left the country during this term. Many of them, according to the administration, most of them have left of their own accord.

[00:15:35] So why are people leaving right now before being forced to be deported? And what is this administration doing when it comes to deportations that that is good and different than what we saw under President Biden? And also the deportations that are happening right now. It's very similar to what was happening even under President Obama, correct? Yes, it is.

[00:16:01] The main focus of the deportation effort is criminal aliens, illegal aliens who have committed additional crimes. We are we're still not seeing the numbers as high as they need to be. The Department of Homeland Security has been offering cash payments and plane tickets to any illegal alien who wants to self-deport. The three million number actually comes from data from the community survey of the Census Bureau.

[00:16:30] And it basically shows that three million foreign born people have apparently left the United States. We don't know why. We don't know whether they're legal or illegal. We assume that a large percentage of them are illegal. That would include the deportations, the formal deportations, and it would include any legal immigrants who decided to leave the country for whatever reason.

[00:16:55] It would also include illegal aliens who decided that the risk of apprehension for them is great enough to encourage them to just go home. So all of that is good.

[00:17:10] We need to get the deportation numbers up higher because that is what really will drive large numbers of illegal aliens to self-deport is if they absolutely believe that they will not be given free handouts in America anymore and that they will be apprehended and deported. Because there's a penalty that goes with deportation if you, first of all, you're not allowed to reenter the United States for a certain period.

[00:17:38] But if you do, you're then guilty of a felony. So that is a disincentive for people to want to be formally deported. Rosemary, you helped found the mass deportation coalition and the playbook for that calls for at least a million removals in 2026.

[00:18:01] The numbers we have for this year, the last time I checked, were around 356,000 people who've been removed this year. You just said you think the numbers should be higher. So what is happening that is preventing those numbers from being higher? Well, the thing, the main thing that the administration is not doing is worksite enforcement. And that is where the numbers would be driven very high.

[00:18:30] You know, worksite enforcement, whether you're going to farms or construction sites or, you know, whatever industries are hiring illegal aliens, that is where you get the most bang for your buck because you've got a restricted area that you can target and you can collect a larger number of illegal aliens and also prosecute the employers who are hiring illegal aliens unlawfully.

[00:18:56] So that kind of enforcement work is much needed. It is not happening to any large degree at the moment. And there are there's a lot of speculation as to why, but it needs to happen. I think the deportation numbers are higher now than 350,000.

[00:19:17] I would guess that there and, you know, again, we don't have official numbers on this, but I would guess that they're up probably around maybe 600,000, something like that. So we're not to a million yet. And we should be, you know, the problem, as you know, well, Jenny Beth, is that the media loves a good sob story.

[00:19:39] And so every illegal alien who's not an obvious gangbanger or murderer becomes a sob story for the media. And that people who don't know any more of the context may be turned off by that. And especially politicians who are afraid of bad media think, oh, no, we can't do that. That's, you know, grandma's being deported.

[00:20:04] Well, you know, illegal aliens are grandmas and mothers and fathers and children and, you know, the whole range of society. And they made their own choices. They chose to come here illegally. And we have laws that need to be enforced. And so they need to be removed. And it is, you know, not until we get that toughness that we're going to see mass deportations.

[00:20:32] And unfortunately, our politicians seem to be less tough than everyone else. You know, Rosemary, we have sob stories in this country for just about everything, including people like Lindsay Clancy, who actually admitted to killing her own children.

[00:20:48] So it's amazing to me how many excuses our fellow Americans, not all, but some of our fellow Americans can make for people who really and truly need to be held to account for breaking the law. And the other thing, Jenny Beth, is that we have hundreds, if not, I'm sure, thousands of angel families in this country.

[00:21:13] American citizens whose children, whose spouses, whose family members were murdered by illegal aliens. Where's the sympathy for them? Yeah. And you and I both have met so many of these angel families. I met Sheridan Gorman's mother, father and sister at the RNC convention a few weeks ago. And when she was speaking on stage, it was evident.

[00:21:38] And then meeting her, meeting them, especially the mother in person, her peen is so raw. The murder, the violent, vicious, hideous murder of her daughter is just a terrible, terrible thing. And I don't wish that kind of pain on anyone in this country. And it's just wrong.

[00:22:03] It doesn't matter if and the person who did who who was accused of doing that to Sheridan Gorman is not in this case, as far as I know. But whether the person is a father or a mother or anything else, it doesn't matter if you take the life of someone else. You have to be held accountable. And if you're breaking our laws and committing other violent crimes on top of the entry into the country illegally, you have to be held accountable.

[00:22:29] The people who are here legally and American citizens don't deserve the crime. They just simply don't deserve that kind of crime. Right. That's absolutely right. Every crime committed by an illegal alien is a preventable crime. Rosemary, stay with me. We're going to take a quick break and we'll be back. But before we go to that break, here is the assignment for this week. There are 10 ways you can get involved in the elections.

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[00:23:59] That's HelpAtThePolls.com. Welcome back. And joining me for today's show is Rosemary Jinks with the Immigration Accountability Project. Rosemary, let's stick on the topic of deportations for a couple more minutes.

[00:24:19] If we look at what the Department of Homeland Security has said, since President Trump took office, the state of New York has refused to honor 16,070 requests from ICE to hold someone in jail. Homeland Security says these people carry more than 52,000 criminal charges and convictions.

[00:24:42] So before we get into these numbers, would you please explain what a detainer is and then what it means when a governor or a mayor doesn't comply with those detainers? Yeah, sure.

[00:24:57] So a detainer is a formal request from ICE to a local jail or state prison to hold an alien who has been identified as either an illegal alien or a deportable legal alien, to hold that alien up to 48 hours after the alien is scheduled to be released from custody in order for ICE to have a chance to come and pick up the alien.

[00:25:24] And, of course, the reason for ICE to do that is because, first of all, a jail is a great place for ICE to go in and verify the identity of aliens to figure out who's here legally, who's here illegally, who's being convicted of a deportable crime and who hasn't.

[00:25:43] So ICE can identify them in the jails and then ask that they be held and ICE notified as soon as they're going to be released or as soon as the jail knows the release date. So ICE can send maybe two people to go to the facility and pick up the alien knowing he's coming out of jail, so he is unarmed.

[00:26:06] He is in a secure facility, so there are no family members or bystanders or anyone else who might get in the way of, you know, whatever happens. And it is much safer for both ICE and for the aliens to be picked up in this kind of situation, just like it would be in a court, and then removed.

[00:26:28] And so the detainers allow that process to happen in a very restrained and secure way. I think it is restrained, secure, and it's also very respectful because you're not going into the place where they work. You're not going into their home. It's just the transfer from one to the other. If they know that there's a detainer out for them, they know that they very well could have an ICE visit.

[00:26:58] It can't be completely out of the blue for them. And so in that way, I think it is even more respectful to the people who have broken the law and who are trying to hold account than what is happening right now in these sanctuary cities.

[00:27:17] Yes. Rosemary, can you explain what happened in New York City over the weekend or the end of last week with the shooting involving ICE? I don't actually have information about that at this point. Okay. That's no problem.

[00:27:35] All right. And then tell me this, if a governor won't cooperate with ICE, are there things that sheriffs can do inside of a state that might be considered a sanctuary state? Are there things that sheriffs could do independent of the governors? Yes, in most states. The federal law says that any state official can ask for an agreement with ICE for a 287G.

[00:28:04] It's called agreement with ICE to cooperate on identifying illegal and criminal aliens. So the state attorney general can do it. The state governor can do it. The local sheriff can do it. The head of a state prison can do it. They can all ask ICE for direct cooperation agreements.

[00:28:27] In at least California, and there may be another state that I can't think of off the top of my head, but in California, they have actually passed a statewide law prohibiting any state official from cooperating with ICE. Now, there's at least one sheriff in California who is challenging this. And actually, Maryland is another state that does that. And I know there's a sheriff in Maryland challenging it as well. So we'll see.

[00:28:55] I mean, federal law is supposed to be supreme, of course. So it is unclear how this will go through the courts. But it should be the case that federal law prevails and the state law is found to be unconstitutional, basically. So let's hope so, because there are a lot of sheriffs out there in very blue states who want to be able to enforce the law and cooperate with ICE. And they feel like they can't do that right now.

[00:29:24] So, yes. And by the way, under the Trump administration, the 287G agreements have exploded. I don't know the specific numbers, but I know that they are in the thousands now. Thousands of states and localities have these agreements with ICE to work with ICE to remove illegal aliens from the United States, which is a fantastic thing and a great use of local resources,

[00:29:51] since it's most likely going to be local sheriffs and local police who come into contact with these aliens first. Yeah, that is exactly right. And I think it's amazing work that they're doing. And I know that Lori Roman's group has also done a lot of work informing sheriffs of what they could do and helping them understand this process. So I'm giving her a hat tip.

[00:30:18] Her group is ECRU, Americans for American Constitutional Rights Union, American Constitutional Rights Union. Okay. Okay. If you like what we're talking about, be sure to hit like and subscribe so that we reach more people and we can keep getting our show out and grow our audience so that more people get this kind of information.

[00:30:42] Rosemary, everything we've been talking about in the first half hour or so, a future president could undo. In September, you told the House Judiciary Committee what Congress should do. We're going to look at a clip from your testimony. The Barbara in Trump v. Barbara is a Honduran national who was paroled into the United States under President Biden's unlawful parole program.

[00:31:08] She admitted in a supplemental declaration in the case that she wanted her child to receive U.S. citizenship at birth so her family could take advantage of the welfare benefits that would be available. While current law makes illegal aliens ineligible for most non-emergency welfare benefits, illegal alien parents collect the benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children.

[00:31:29] Congress should amend current law to prohibit the payment of any welfare benefits directly to any individual who is not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident. Illegal aliens and non-immigrant visa holders should be required to designate a citizen or LPR to receive welfare benefits on behalf of any U.S.-born child, and that individual should be required to use the benefits exclusively to provide for the U.S.-citizen child.

[00:31:55] It's odd that children born in the United States to aliens employed by foreign embassies are not eligible for birthright citizenship, but instead should be given the same visa status as their parents. Congress should also pass Representative Scott Perry's Preventing International Surrogacy Exploitation Act to void commercial surrogacy contracts between U.S. citizens and foreign nationals seeking to buy birthright citizenship.

[00:32:24] American citizenship is a precious commodity. Our government must zealously protect U.S. citizenship and ensure it is only granted to aliens we have legally invited to permanently join our American community. The Trump v. Barbara decision, while wrong on its face, presents an opportunity for Congress to do just that. Thank you, and I welcome your questions. I love that line, that citizenship is a precious commodity. That is a really good line.

[00:32:54] Rosemary, a few minutes ago you mentioned that the bill, the Permanent Trump Secure Border Act, was introduced by Congressman Chip Roy. What is in that bill? Explain what's in it, and then how can we, when, we're not going to see floor action, of course, before the election, but is there anything we can do after the election to try to move on the bill?

[00:33:22] So, you remember well, Jenny Beth, getting H.R. 2 passed in the previous Congress. Congressman Roy's bill, the Permanent Trump Secure Border Act, has basically all the same provisions as H.R. 2. And so, it would codify a lot of what the president has done and the things that could take us a step further.

[00:33:45] So, for example, I said a little while ago that the unaccompanied minors who come across the border are handed over to Health and Human Services to be released into our country. This bill would amend the TVPRA, the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, to not require, essentially to allow minor children to be returned to their parents in their home countries.

[00:34:11] It would fix the asylum system so that people who come through state third countries, like, for example, Mexico or Canada, cannot apply for asylum in the United States unless they've already applied in one of those countries.

[00:34:25] So, things like that, it includes the complete end of catch and release and basically allows state attorneys general to sue the government if DHS releases illegal aliens. All the provisions that were in H.R. 2 in terms of enforcement are in this bill. And it would tie, oh, it also fixes parole.

[00:34:53] Well, it further restricts parole. I mean, what President Biden did with parole was never actually allowed, but this narrows parole even more. So, it would, whereas the Biden administration essentially drove through loopholes and made them truck-sized, this bill would close those loopholes so that they could no longer be exploited by a future administration. That's the primary thing.

[00:35:23] Because you're absolutely right. All of this can be overturned by the next administration. Well, and we saw that happen with President Biden. He just completely made up how he was going to, I want to say enforce border security, but there was no border security. He just made up how he could completely shred that law and ignore everything that is supposed to happen inside of the laws that we already have.

[00:35:50] So, Rosemary, why is it important that state attorney generals be able to sue the Department of Homeland Security? So, because the executive branch, of course, has a constitutional duty to enforce the laws that Congress passes. But when it comes to prosecutions, to actual law enforcement, there's a lot of wiggle room because there is discretionary prosecution.

[00:36:19] So, basically, the administration can claim, well, we don't have the resources. Congress didn't give us the resources, so we can't enforce the laws against illegal aliens. We can't deport them. Or, you know, we can only, we only have the resources to deport murderers, not the rest of the illegal alien population. So, courts allow a lot of play by the administration in actual law enforcement.

[00:36:48] By allowing the state attorneys general to sue DHS for failing to enforce this law, you put an extra backstop on DHS's ability to just decide, well, we don't like this law, so we're not going to enforce it.

[00:37:08] Because with the attorneys general suing, there's an actual penalty if they, if a court finds that they have willfully not enforced the law. So, it's just another backstop to make sure that, you know, when Congress writes the law, they actually mean what they wrote and they want it to be enforced. Yeah, pretty simple there.

[00:37:31] What we are just saying, and what I was just saying a second ago, is talking about how the future administration could undo everything President Trump has done, because so much of it is through executive order, and make up a different way to follow the laws we saw with President Biden. But what we're seeing from the Democratic Socialists of America goes even further. They say that we must, we must abolish ICE. I'm using quotes there.

[00:37:59] And Abdul El-Sayed, who could be the next senator from the state of Michigan, said, abolish ICE. If the left, and we saw in October of last year that the, gosh, it wasn't just October, it was October of last year. And then at the beginning of this year, we saw the Democrats shut down the government twice, once the entire government and once just the Department of Homeland Security.

[00:38:28] And they wanted to do that mostly because they're outraged with the enforcement of immigration law. So if the left takes the House or the Senate, or heaven forbid they take both, what do you think winds up happening to our immigration law and to any chances of passing the permanent Trump Secure Border Act?

[00:38:51] Well, certainly, if they take over either chamber, we will not have the permanent Trump Secure Border Act. It is very likely that, I mean, what the Republicans did with the One Big Beautiful Bill and the Secure America Act was to fund ICE specifically through President Trump's term.

[00:39:16] So they, well, I mean, Congress can still, Congress at any time can come back and rescind money. It can, I don't know how much it would be able to take. It depends on how much hasn't been spent yet. But certainly they could and will try to harm ICE funding, harm Border Patrol funding. And remember, Jenny Beth, the next census is 2030.

[00:39:42] So the Democrats have a very strong incentive to get as many illegal aliens into the United States as possible because illegal aliens are counted toward apportionment.

[00:39:56] So if, you know, the vast majority of illegal aliens are going to states like California, New York, Illinois, the Democrats can use that not only to get more representatives in those blue states, but also to get more resources from the federal government because federal resources are distributed based on census data, including right now illegal aliens.

[00:40:21] So that's one thing that we're trying to get so that the census differentiates between U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents and everybody else so that apportionment can actually be based on how many citizens are in a district rather than how many people total. So there's going to be a lot of people.

[00:41:09] So there's going to be a lot of people.

[00:41:39] Hold my breath. Hold my breath. That the Senate wouldn't pass an amnesty. So, you know, we're in very perilous times here. We need a strong Republican majority in both chambers. And I certainly pray that we will get that. You know, Rosemary, when you were just saying that about amnesty. People are probably freaking out if they hear that. But here are two things I want them to know.

[00:42:05] First, the most important thing is if you don't want amnesty, then go vote. You have to make sure that you are voting and vote for Republicans and make sure that you are recruiting other people to do things like we went through a minute ago with our calls to action. I will save America dot com. Not just vote yourself, but get involved and get other people to vote. So I will save America dot com is a good way for you to plug in and get involved.

[00:42:35] And then the other thing is after we get past the election, Rosemary's group and our group, and I'm sure there'll be a few other groups. Eagle form is always very good. Good on this. We will be making sure that we keep you up to date. We're watching out for amnesty and we're getting ready to melt the phone lines. But a lame duck session is always the most dangerous time. So we have to be very careful there.

[00:42:58] One way to protect that lame duck section is to do everything we can right now to hold the majority in the House and the Senate. So you have to go vote. It is extremely important to vote. And as Rosemary just said, it could be we could be talking about four to five million people who are granted amnesty. And Rosemary, one of the things that we hear is, oh, this won't be this isn't amnesty. It's not going to grant citizenship.

[00:43:26] It's just but it is because it's a step in that direction. And even Congresswoman Salazar, who has introduced this, has said it would be a stepping stone towards amnesty and citizenship. Am I right about that? Oh, absolutely. But I mean, the point is, if you allow illegal aliens to remain in the United States, no one's going to self deport. But that is amnesty.

[00:43:54] Allowing them to remain here and work is amnesty. It doesn't require a path to citizenship. It doesn't require anything else. If you allow them to stay, it's amnesty. And the fact is that the Democrats are desperate to keep all of these people here for census reasons and for voting reasons. I mean, you and I both know that a lot of aliens are voting. They're being registered to vote and they're actually voting.

[00:44:24] And this is another thing, Jenny Beth, that the Trump administration has done. I never in my life have I seen the number of prosecutions of illegal voters that we're seeing now. I mean, it's almost on a daily basis that another group of of non-citizens is being prosecuted for illegal voting. That is fantastic.

[00:44:45] And Jenny Beth, I just want to put a point on what you're saying about people getting out and voting, because if you are a Republican voter and you stay home, you are basically voting for open borders, non-citizens voting, welfare to illegal aliens. You know, the whole gamut. Abolishing ICE, getting rid of Department of Homeland Security, wide open borders. More angel families. Yeah.

[00:45:15] Yeah. So do not sit home. Do not sit home. Get out and vote. All right. Speaking of angel families, I want to bring up and yes, vote, vote, vote. I mean, only vote one time, but make sure that you vote. And then and then after you vote, get recruited at least five other people and go and do all you can to get out the vote and get more people voting. All right. I want to bring up that that image that we have before.

[00:45:40] It was from X. And these are things that the Democratic Socialists of America have been posting online. Rosemary, one of the things that they're talking about, ICE out of New York, the DSA's national program is clear. We must abolish ICE. But on the screen there, it says an injury to one is an injury to all. And they're worried about the injury to illegal immigrants.

[00:46:04] But you and I just a minute ago and just just a second ago as well are talking about what about the angel families? What if they really care about injury to one is injury to all? Then what about the injury and the death and the murder that has happened to American citizens and legal residents in this country because of illegal immigrants?

[00:46:28] And not just death, not just murder, but stealing, destruction of property, jobs that Americans no longer can have. What about all of that kind of harm? I'll tell you, Jenny Beth, these people do not care about Americans. They have an absolute disgust for Americans. They want to tear down our country. That is all they want to do.

[00:46:56] I mean, they want to abolish ICE, but they also want to abolish the Senate. They want to abolish all kinds of things. It's basically whatever they don't agree with, they want to abolish so that they can destroy our country. And we need to stand up and say, we are Americans. We are proud of our country. We love our country. And we're going to put our countrymen first, period. You know, the illegal aliens, we can all have compassion for anyone around the world.

[00:47:25] But our first compassion goes to our families, our country, our community. And we shouldn't be ashamed to say that. You know, there is nothing wrong with saying my country is America. I'm an American and I'm putting America first. 100%. And I am happy to say that I'm an American. I want to see politicians who put Americans first. And I love our country. I love my fellow citizens.

[00:47:54] And I prioritize them, especially over people who entered the country illegally. It doesn't mean that America cannot be generous. We are a very generous country. We're very generous people individually as well. And I want to be able to help other people. But you can't help other people if you're disregarding the law here. You are creating a very dangerous situation when you disregard the law here.

[00:48:19] Rosemary, may we please go back and I want you to clarify something or elaborate on something that you said a moment ago. You were saying that if you allow the people to stay here, it is amnesty. And I think that's really important to drive home because what we will hear from the people who are introducing those bills, oh, no, we're not doing amnesty. We're not saying they can become citizens. We're not putting them on a pathway to citizenship.

[00:48:47] But the fact of the matter is, if you disregard the law and you set the law aside and you allow somebody to not suffer the consequences of breaking the law, that is amnesty. Right? Absolutely correct. Yeah. I mean, you can look in the Black's Law Dictionary. There is a definition of amnesty. It doesn't say anything about citizenship.

[00:49:11] It actually uses the 1986 amnesty as the example of amnesty because, of course, it was. And the 1986 amnesty had illegal aliens sign up for a temporary residency card, basically, and then they could get a green card and then they could get citizenship. So it was that same process that is envisioned by all of these different bills. And it's all amnesty.

[00:49:39] I mean, illegal aliens come here to work and send money home. If you allow them to do that legally without being deported first, you are giving them amnesty. It's just as simple as that. You can't reward lawbreakers and expect less lawbreaking. We see this all over. I mean, in California, for example, when they decided that they weren't going to prosecute shoplifting under $900 or something like that, what did they get?

[00:50:09] $900 shoplifting. A lot of it. Stores are closing because they're getting $900 shoplifting. You know, if you reward illegal behavior, you get more of it. And that means more criminals. It means more angel families, more horrific crimes committed against Americans. And, you know, that is not something that we should ever tolerate. We are a nation of laws. And the laws should apply equally to all. I completely agree with you. Rosemary, stay with me.

[00:50:39] We're going to be back after a quick break. While we go to this break, be thinking about people in your life who aren't sure they're going to vote this year. Just go ahead, make a quick list of them, and be ready to give them a call after the show. We need to make sure that you help them find their polling place, offer to drive them to the polls if they need a ride. Just do whatever you can to get them to vote. And go to friendshelpfriendsvote.com. friendshelpfriendsvote.com.

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[00:52:02] Welcome back to The Jenny Beth Show. I'm Jenny Beth Martin. And Rosemary Jinks from the Immigration Accountability Project is with me. Rosemary, last Wednesday, the Labor Department suspended some of the world's biggest outsourcing firms from programs companies use to sponsor foreign workers for green cards. And it suspended Microsoft and Adobe, too. The White House says Microsoft laid off 6,000 American workers last year while it approved more than 6,000 H-1B visas.

[00:52:32] What's going on here and what do you think of this move? This is fantastic, Jenny Beth. I mean, we have known for since the program was created that the H-1B program was being abused by employers who wanted to replace their American workers with cheaper foreign workers. And they have been allowed to do that since the program was created in 1990.

[00:52:55] And finally, finally, an administration is at least working to stop that. Now, remember, again, this is the laws. Our immigration laws are made by Congress. So Congress created this law. And it created it specifically. It was designed so that it would allow employers to replace American workers with cheap foreign labor. It does not require an employer to try to hire an American before they hire a foreign worker.

[00:53:23] It's got a wage system that allows wages to be suppressed by these workers coming into the United States. So, you know, Congress needs to change the law. That's that's the bottom line. But the Trump administration is taking a lot of really great steps, including, you know, charging a hundred thousand dollar fee for H-1B employers who are petitioning for foreign workers.

[00:53:48] And this to shut off the green card avenue is huge because that is the main incentive of people coming here on H-1B visas. The H-1B visa is a three year visa with the possibility of one extension for a total of six years. Most of the people coming on H-1Bs don't just want to be here for six years. They want to be here permanently.

[00:54:13] So if you cut off that avenue for them to get a green card, you disincentivize the some of the workers from wanting to come here in the first place on that visa. So this is huge. And the companies that they've cut off the what are so-called body shops, the Tata and Cognizant and Infosys and all of these, they're essentially like headhunters.

[00:54:40] They file a whole bunch of applications for H-1B visas, bring in a whole bunch of workers, and then they farm them out on contracts to other businesses. And sometimes the workers get paid and sometimes they don't. It depends on what the demand is. So, you know, there's it's a it's a very abusive system, both to the foreign worker and to the Americans. And so it is we are so grateful to the Trump administration for taking these actions.

[00:55:07] Yeah, I think they're very important actions. And I I knew some people in a previous job that I had who were fellow employees of the company where I worked who were there on H-1B visas. And some of them couldn't get moved into being a permanent employee. And they were just on as contractors or temp employees because of their H-1B status.

[00:55:34] And they weren't being I understand they had the opportunity to be in America. And that was a good thing for them. They had a great opportunity and they were doing everything they could to follow the law and paying thousands of dollars to attorneys to make sure that they were following the law. But the way that the system was set up, they kind of were just trapped. They weren't able to to work in other places. They weren't able to compete and negotiate salaries.

[00:56:03] And it it it even when they are coming through legally, there are things that are happening, I think, that don't wind up completely benefiting the people who are coming here. They do get the opportunity to be here. And yes, most of those people now, I think they are actually citizens of this country. So they were willing to put up with a lot because they did want to get on a path to being citizens. But it just the the system is really messed up.

[00:56:32] It truly is messed up. And I'm glad that the president is trying to figure out a way to fix some of that. Yeah, that's absolutely. I mean, there is so much in our legal immigration system that needs to be fixed. And the first thing we need to do is to ask ourselves what serves Americans interests? How do we benefit Americans with our immigration policy? Because this is who it should serve. You know, it should be all about what helps America.

[00:57:01] Which goes back to your comment about how being an American citizen is a precious commodity. OK, a couple of more things. And I know we're getting close to time, but I wanted to talk about a few more things that I think the administration is doing that are very positive. I didn't even know what optional practical training was until recently. And it's a program that lets foreign students keep working here after they graduate.

[00:57:29] But I've learned from from you and from your organization that that was never authorized by Congress. And then also we've seen the Labor Department's inspector general has opened a J-1 visa, which a J-1 visa. It's a term that I also am not as familiar with is like H-1B. A J-1 visa fraud investigation into nine universities, including Harvard, Yale, Stanford and MIT.

[00:57:58] The J-1 visa is supposed to be a cultural exchange visa. So what's going on with both of these programs? So the OPT program is really a big problem because optional practical training. So if a foreign student comes to an American university, graduates from the American university and then with optional practical training can go get a job, any job in America.

[00:58:26] And the employer gets to not pay FICA taxes for that foreign student. So the employer actually has an incentive to hire the foreign student over an American graduate. And the student doesn't have to pay FICA taxes either. So, you know, can live on on less to have basically a better salary.

[00:58:49] So we're actually subsidizing U.S. employers to pay foreign graduates instead of American graduates. And the scary thing is the OPT program, which, as you said, has never been authorized by Congress, is actually the largest guest worker program we have in this country with roughly 400,000 foreign students on OPT in American jobs every single year. So, I mean, this is a huge program.

[00:59:18] It is devastating our American college graduates who've done everything right, everything we told them to do, you know, learned a program, all of that they did. And now they're being essentially discriminated against because employers get a benefit, a subsidy for hiring foreign graduates instead. So that's a huge problem. There is a lot of abuse of the J-1 visa as well. As you said, it's supposed to be a cultural exchange visa.

[00:59:46] There's also a training component in it. You can come for either or. But a lot of times J-1 visa holders are essentially exploited as cheap labor. They are a lot of like summer lifeguards are actually J-1 visa holders. I mean, it's the weirdest thing. It's like, OK, we're having a cultural exchange.

[01:00:07] But what we're really going to do is put you to work in a job that nobody else, supposedly nobody else wants and pay you virtually nothing because this is, you know, your American experience. It's just it's bizarre the way we do a lot of these visas. Yeah, it really is. OK, I want to go to one last thing.

[01:00:28] Yesterday before dawn, Homeland Security investigation agents executed a search warrant with Congresswoman Ilan Omar's home in Washington. A judge had to have signed that warrant. The Justice Department calls it an ongoing federal investigation and reporting says it involves immigration paperwork filed by her father when she was a child. And she has not been charged with anything.

[01:00:57] And I want to treat her the way that I would want to be treated or that we would have wanted President Trump treated by the other side. So instead of assuming that the law has been broken or jumping to conclusions, we're just going to let that part play out. And we'll see we'll see what happens with that as it unfolds. And like everyone, she would deserve her day in court and not just a court of public opinion.

[01:01:26] But this brings to a question that I've seen a lot of people online asking. And it isn't just about that situation or about her. But what happens if the government suspects that there was fraud in immigration papers and the person has already become a citizen? How would what would happen at that point? And what does the law say about it? And I'm not it isn't this doesn't just apply to her.

[01:01:53] I've heard other people say, well, you take an oath to uphold the Constitution. What about the people who have come to the country, immigrated, taken that oath, become citizens and that they aren't actually upholding their oath? Is there anything that can be done about that? So the the rules for denaturalization are basically they require that you committed fraud in your naturalization process.

[01:02:20] So if you lied in your paperwork about not having any criminal history, for example, or you lied about, you know, we've seen this several times. You lied about being a Nazi in in Germany. You lied about persecuting people in a civil war in your home country, something like that. You can be denaturalized and there's no statute of liberty limitations on that.

[01:02:46] For a lot of criminal immigration fraud, there is a statute of limitations. And there are a couple of different levels, five years or 10 years. But for the civil immigration violations, there is not a statute of limitations. So I don't know what the the charges are. I don't know anything. You know, I don't even think charges have happened at this. Yeah, there was a search warrant and that's all that we know.

[01:03:13] Yeah. And so, I mean, there is a lot up in the air here. You know, there have been rumors circulating for years and years. But, you know, we'll see. I mean, there are if if there was willful fraud in the paperwork, that's a problem. OK, and we'll see what happens with that. And I think that you and I handled that in a fair way without jumping to conclusions. And I'm trying to be intellectually honest.

[01:03:43] I know what I thought was wrong with how President Trump was treated. So I'm trying to treat people the way I would want to be treated. And some people may be going, you're too nice or whatever. But that that is what it is. So I appreciate you answering that. At least we understand more about what could potentially happen in that particular instance or in others.

[01:04:06] Well, and and as she herself has pointed out to all of us so many times, no one is above the law. That is right. She certainly has. Rosemary James, thank you so much for joining me today. Before you go, let me just ask you one one question. The final question, maybe there are two. One is just where do people go to get more information about you? And then the other thing is this.

[01:04:32] What is it that you would say to people right now about why they should vote for conservative policies and to hold the House and the Senate based on what you've seen related to the border? I would say if you believe in America as a nation, if you believe that we have a right to have a country, if you believe that our next generation should inherit the country that we inherited, you have to get out and vote.

[01:05:02] I mean, this this president has shown what a dramatic difference can happen in, you know, with one administration after the next. And there is no question in my mind that people who love America, who want to save this country, who believe in her need to get out and vote Republican. Rosemary Jinks, thank you so much for joining me and thank you for everything you're doing

[01:05:31] at the Immigration Accountability Project. Thank you, Jenny Beth. All right. So here's our call to action. One more time. Go to I will save America dot com. Again, that's I will save America dot com and pick at least one of the 10 different options and take those actions. And remember, we've got to do everything that we can to get out the vote. If you're trying to decide what are the most important actions to take, I think that the

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