An Overturned Election, Defending Trump in GA, & Running for Office | Charlice Byrd, State Rep., GA

[00:00:00] We need transparency more than ever when we are talking about election integrity.

[00:00:05] It's one of the rights that people fought and died for, and it should be taken care of,

[00:00:11] and we should be talking about all of the integrity that goes with an election, and we are not.

[00:00:16] It's concerning because so many of our leaders are failing to do their job.

[00:00:22] Keeping our republic is on the line, and it requires patriots with great passion,

[00:00:27] dedication, and eternal vigilance to preserve our freedoms.

[00:00:31] Jenny Beth Martin is the co-founder of Tea Party Patriots.

[00:00:35] She is an author, a filmmaker, and one of Time Magazine's most influential people in the world.

[00:00:41] But the title she is most proud of is mom to her boy-girl twins.

[00:00:45] She has been at the forefront, fighting to protect America's core principles for more than a decade.

[00:00:52] Welcome to The Jenny Beth Show.

[00:00:54] Charlie Sprint, thank you so much for being with me today.

[00:00:57] Thank you for having me. I look forward to our conversation.

[00:01:00] I do too. I'm so excited to have you.

[00:01:02] We go back so long working on elections really since both of us moved to Cherokee County, Georgia,

[00:01:09] and you have a lot of experience with election integrity-related issues personally that I want to talk about today.

[00:01:17] And then also you're part of the Georgia Freedom Caucus.

[00:01:22] We interviewed Andy Roth before, and I just think it's really important that you talk about what you're doing in Georgia

[00:01:31] and how you're trying to make a difference with conservative values.

[00:01:34] Absolutely. The election integrity is very important to all of us.

[00:01:40] And back in 2004, when I started running, we had an election and it was the primary election.

[00:01:52] There were two other people in it. Two of us came out as...

[00:01:59] The top winners.

[00:02:00] Correct. Thank you.

[00:02:02] The top vote contenders or whatever.

[00:02:03] Yes. So we had to run in a runoff.

[00:02:07] During the runoff, there was an incident in Cherokee County.

[00:02:12] There was actually a shooting and my opponent claimed that it kept people from going to vote.

[00:02:21] She took it to a court. The judge overturned the election.

[00:02:26] Which she had won by four votes. Four votes.

[00:02:29] Four votes. So that's why it's important for everyone to go and cast their ballot.

[00:02:33] After that, I had to run all over again and start from scratch knocking doors.

[00:02:39] That particular election probably knocked on 15,000 plus doors.

[00:02:43] So we had the runoff. And the second time I won, I had 132 votes beating her because of all of the hoopla

[00:02:54] of going through a court system, overturning my election, starting from scratch again.

[00:02:59] And I think the people of the community were very upset because it meant more taxpayer dollars

[00:03:05] that we were spending on election integrity, which of course is important.

[00:03:09] It is important. I was in the courtroom as you went through all of that.

[00:03:17] I was there every single day because we'd gone door to door together every single day before that.

[00:03:22] But what I learned during that time, and one of the things that was so important is that your opponent

[00:03:29] brought forward, you won by four votes, and she brought forward like 12 or 20 people who were witnesses

[00:03:35] who said they had some sort of problem voting.

[00:03:37] And she was not in any way contending that there was fraud.

[00:03:41] So there was no evidence of fraud. That wasn't what the claim was.

[00:03:44] But in Georgia, I think the code is OCGA 21-2-522.

[00:03:49] It may be wrong, but I think that's what it is.

[00:03:51] It says that an election may be contested due to fraud, misconduct, or irregularities

[00:03:58] that cast doubt on the outcome of the election.

[00:04:03] And she was looking at irregularities that casted doubt on the outcome of the election,

[00:04:09] and she brought forward 12 or 20 people, but 12 is greater than 4,

[00:04:14] and they all said that they had problems.

[00:04:17] And the judge wouldn't let them tell how they would have voted,

[00:04:20] so they could have voted for you, but that was irrelevant.

[00:04:22] It was just that they had a problem voting,

[00:04:25] and it was more than the margin of vote difference between the two races,

[00:04:30] and so he overturned the election according to state law.

[00:04:34] And now we have people in Georgia who are indicted for challenging an election

[00:04:39] under the same thing that happened to you.

[00:04:41] It's just crazy, and I think that it is the same,

[00:04:46] it's applying the same law, and it's legal to contest an election.

[00:04:50] We have to remember now we are living under a two-justice system,

[00:04:55] and it is, I guess I would consider it's Republicans against Democrats,

[00:05:01] the left or the right,

[00:05:04] and they are challenging those types of things in the court system,

[00:05:07] which I believe is bogus. It is a witch hunt, all those sorts of things,

[00:05:14] but yet nothing's being done about that particular election,

[00:05:18] and we're still talking 2020.

[00:05:20] And we are about to take on the 2024 election,

[00:05:23] and it is very disconcerting because there are still many people

[00:05:27] that are concerned about how their vote and how it will be counted.

[00:05:32] Are we going to have fair and honest elections?

[00:05:35] And we have to sort that out immediately.

[00:05:38] That's right, and there were a lot of problems in Georgia

[00:05:42] and other states around the country.

[00:05:45] We've worked to make sure that we've got poll watchers in place in Georgia,

[00:05:49] and we urge everyone to step up and actually be a poll worker,

[00:05:54] to work the poll rather than being a poll watcher,

[00:05:57] but if they can't work it then be a poll watcher to get involved.

[00:06:01] But there are broader issues, like in Georgia we've got

[00:06:04] a bit of a problem right now, which we're talking about

[00:06:07] with the United States Postal Service and the delivery

[00:06:11] because they've changed. What all has gone on with that?

[00:06:15] You know that better than me. Explain that.

[00:06:17] It is my understanding that they wanted to build a new facility,

[00:06:21] and they have placed it in Palmetto.

[00:06:24] Palmetto is in the airport south area of Fulton County.

[00:06:28] It has been built. They've put all the equipment inside that building.

[00:06:32] However, nothing is working.

[00:06:35] At this point it is my understanding that they are going to shut that down

[00:06:40] for now because if you can't have mail that is processed in a timely manner,

[00:06:47] how are we ever going to get absentee ballots through the mail process?

[00:06:52] Yeah, it's very, very concerning, and it's good news to know

[00:06:56] that they're doing something to revert back to the old system

[00:06:59] or to make sure that mail is processing properly.

[00:07:02] And then we've got to make sure people know how to deal with it,

[00:07:05] especially in Georgia, that there is an issue.

[00:07:07] So they know how to, that there are alternative methods

[00:07:10] to return their absentee ballot if they have to vote absentee

[00:07:14] or to go vote early. We have three weeks of early voting in Georgia.

[00:07:17] That's correct. I mean, I remember the days when there was

[00:07:20] 45 days of early voting, and I was concerned at that time

[00:07:25] because the Constitution said you're supposed to have one day of voting,

[00:07:30] and if it means giving everyone a holiday, that's what we should go back to

[00:07:34] so that we know exactly who is voting instead of the whole absentee process

[00:07:39] or having excuses of why you are not going to show up at the poll in person.

[00:07:45] I'm all about in-person voting.

[00:07:47] So I mean, we continue to work on those things at the state level,

[00:07:50] but we opened a Pandora's box when we started the boxes in various locations,

[00:07:58] drop boxes. And to me, a drop box all these years was called the mailbox.

[00:08:03] Right.

[00:08:04] And so now we have all these drop boxes.

[00:08:06] The good news is that at least they're under surveillance now with cameras,

[00:08:11] and so we actually know how many people are coming in there

[00:08:14] and dropping their ballots off.

[00:08:16] Me personally, I am still against the drop boxes,

[00:08:18] but I'm only one in maybe a handful at the Capitol.

[00:08:22] And then at the Capitol this past legislative session,

[00:08:27] there were changes to election law. What happened with that?

[00:08:31] Everyone has been discussing this for years of what they would like to see.

[00:08:36] One of them was getting rid of the QR code because no one really understood

[00:08:40] what did it say. You can't test it to know what it states on that QR code.

[00:08:45] We also made the decision to put a watermark on paper.

[00:08:50] That was another request from a lot of board of elections and people in the

[00:08:55] community because they were concerned once again about their ballot.

[00:08:59] So those are a couple of things that we have done.

[00:09:02] We also said that any citizen who had a concern about the election,

[00:09:08] that they would have the ability to, whether it's a lawsuit or challenge it

[00:09:13] themselves, which is also a good thing because I'm sure there would have

[00:09:16] been a lot of other people that would have liked to challenged that

[00:09:21] particular box or the boxes that everybody brought in.

[00:09:25] So we're moving in the right direction.

[00:09:28] The bad news is what we have done this year and what the governor has

[00:09:34] signed does not become effective until 2026.

[00:09:38] Wow. So we still have to work through the system that we had in 2022 right now,

[00:09:45] which is an improvement over 2020 but not as good as what it will be

[00:09:50] in a couple years from now.

[00:09:51] That's right.

[00:09:52] Okay. Now you're part of the Georgia Freedom Caucus, which is part of

[00:09:57] the overall state Freedom Caucus network.

[00:10:00] What do you do with that and explain what your role is and how that is helpful?

[00:10:07] We started a state Freedom Caucus.

[00:10:09] We were the very first state that made the decision to have a network

[00:10:16] and, excuse me, a caucus.

[00:10:19] It started because we needed to lean farther right and possibly get people

[00:10:24] that are kind of middle-of-the-road Republicans to maybe think about their

[00:10:27] vote more often before voting.

[00:10:30] So the-

[00:10:31] Legislators, not just voters.

[00:10:33] Correct. Sorry. Yes, it was legislators.

[00:10:36] The Freedom Caucus started in 2021.

[00:10:40] I was a founding member of the Freedom Caucus, and it has worked well

[00:10:46] in some instances.

[00:10:47] We have a long ways to go.

[00:10:49] We are very small, but our main purpose is to drive other legislators

[00:10:58] to think in terms of the four pillars that we go by before casting a vote.

[00:11:04] One is, does it grow government?

[00:11:06] Does it raise taxes?

[00:11:08] Does it increase regulation?

[00:11:10] And does it infringe on personal liberties?

[00:11:13] Those things that after I read a bill, I put in a box to consider how

[00:11:19] any of those relate to those four pillars.

[00:11:22] But I also add a fifth pillar for myself, and that is what is the

[00:11:27] proper role of government?

[00:11:29] We are so beyond the proper role of government right now, whether it's

[00:11:33] the state of Georgia, across the country.

[00:11:36] Technically, the Constitution told us it was to protect, defend, and

[00:11:41] preserve.

[00:11:42] Nothing else, nothing more.

[00:11:44] To protect us, military, police force, sheriffs, you name it, to

[00:11:48] protect us, defend all those sorts of things.

[00:11:51] But now we are spending money at a state level that is unbelievable

[00:11:55] for things that should have never been paid for.

[00:11:59] So we are trying to move other Republican legislators to think in

[00:12:06] those terms instead of giving every single dollar of new revenue that

[00:12:11] comes in to add it to some new program.

[00:12:14] And are you reading bills?

[00:12:18] How does it function when you're in session?

[00:12:23] Sure.

[00:12:24] We have a director of the State Freedom Caucus, and we have a policy

[00:12:28] director.

[00:12:29] The gentleman that is the policy director reads every single bill.

[00:12:34] Doesn't matter whether it's going to a committee or not.

[00:12:37] It's just whatever bill is around, he starts reading it.

[00:12:41] I only read the bills that are coming to the floor for a House

[00:12:44] vote and or the bills that are in my committees.

[00:12:48] There are 48-plus committees in the House, and it's very

[00:12:51] difficult to prepare for all 48 committees.

[00:12:54] So I only focus on my own committees.

[00:12:57] Then the second step is if it's coming to the floor for a vote, I

[00:13:02] make sure I reread the bill, make sure that there have been no

[00:13:06] changes.

[00:13:07] But on the same hand, the policy director and I are

[00:13:11] communicating.

[00:13:12] He takes a summary of the bill, and he tells me exactly what is

[00:13:16] in there.

[00:13:18] He gives the pros and the cons, and he takes the four pillars.

[00:13:23] And if it fits into any of those pillars, he said this is a no vote.

[00:13:28] However, I want you to understand it doesn't mean that's how I am

[00:13:32] going to vote.

[00:13:33] It is his suggestion of how we make the four pillars.

[00:13:37] There are occasions that does not work, and there are also

[00:13:40] occasions that he and I get into a discussion of what I believe, of

[00:13:44] why it should be voted on or why it should be a no.

[00:13:47] And is that working well for you?

[00:13:50] Because you were a state legislator before there was the

[00:13:52] State Freedom Caucus, and now you're one with it.

[00:13:55] How do you think it helps support the role of a legislator?

[00:13:59] Back in the days when I served from 05 to 2012, we did have

[00:14:05] a group very similar to the Georgia Freedom Caucus, and at

[00:14:10] the time it was called the 216 Club, and it was only because

[00:14:14] it was a room that we met in.

[00:14:16] Room 216.

[00:14:17] That's exactly right.

[00:14:19] We read those bills as a group.

[00:14:22] We had lively debate, but we did a negative one and a

[00:14:26] positive one, but with five different pillars.

[00:14:29] So we would discuss those.

[00:14:31] We would then rate them, and it was still up to each

[00:14:34] individual of how they needed to vote, whether it was the

[00:14:37] way it fit into your district or the way you believed in

[00:14:41] what the bill was saying.

[00:14:42] And so the Georgia Freedom Caucus is almost identical to

[00:14:46] what we did back in 2012 when we rated all of those bills.

[00:14:51] It does work.

[00:14:52] It helps immensely.

[00:14:54] We haven't convinced everyone of those four pillars, and

[00:15:00] there are this year that there were a few legislators

[00:15:04] that came and asked me how I was voting.

[00:15:07] I explained the bill, why I was voting the way I was, and so

[00:15:10] it kind of helped them.

[00:15:12] It didn't mean that they were voting the same way I was,

[00:15:15] but at least they understood really what the Georgia

[00:15:18] Freedom Caucus was representing.

[00:15:20] And was that a problem before?

[00:15:23] Did they not understand what you were representing?

[00:15:25] And it seems to me like one of the things with what

[00:15:29] you're describing, and maybe the House Freedom Caucus does

[00:15:33] the same thing, but I haven't seen it explained so succinctly.

[00:15:37] When you just, when you say these are the four things we're

[00:15:40] evaluating each bill on or five things, it provides a lot

[00:15:44] of clarity for how you're going to be voting.

[00:15:47] It does.

[00:15:48] It helps immensely.

[00:15:49] We have a white paper that our policy director gives

[00:15:54] to me and a couple of other people during the day before

[00:16:00] or either that morning so that we can have real clarity

[00:16:03] while I am reading my own bill.

[00:16:06] Because there are too many people in the House that do not

[00:16:09] read the bills.

[00:16:10] They have no idea what is in the bill.

[00:16:13] They go and vote one way or the other, and then I, on

[00:16:17] occasion, question why did you vote for that?

[00:16:21] Or they'll come over to me and say, well, why did you

[00:16:23] vote no?

[00:16:24] And then I give them a very clear, concise reason why

[00:16:28] I voted no and that's why they should have voted no as well.

[00:16:33] That hasn't worked yet, but more and more people are

[00:16:36] understanding what the Freedom Caucus represents.

[00:16:39] I think that's good.

[00:16:41] And it's small right now.

[00:16:44] Hopefully it grows in the coming years.

[00:16:48] That's our plan.

[00:16:49] Yesterday I was on a two-hour conference call with our

[00:16:52] Freedom Caucus to talk about those things, a long-term,

[00:16:56] short-term strategy.

[00:16:57] We're kind of in a down period now because school is about

[00:17:01] to end.

[00:17:02] Everybody's involved in graduation trying to get people

[00:17:04] to go and do their voting for the primary election.

[00:17:08] But once that's over, it's going to give us about 60 days

[00:17:11] to refresh and renew.

[00:17:13] Start hard again in August so we can start talking about

[00:17:17] what exactly is our mission?

[00:17:19] What is it that we want to accomplish come January?

[00:17:22] What is it do we want to share with the rest of our

[00:17:24] legislators?

[00:17:25] Do we want to share our white papers with them, everybody or

[00:17:29] just the ones that are more interested in why we vote the

[00:17:33] way we do?

[00:17:35] So those are the things that we are discussing now because

[00:17:39] nothing would be more important than to grow.

[00:17:42] When you have a strong group of individuals in the House of

[00:17:48] 180 of us or 102 Republicans, you may then be able to sway

[00:17:53] everybody to vote the best way possible to represent the

[00:17:57] state of Georgia.

[00:17:58] That's I think really important because we need more

[00:18:01] conservative legislation in a red state.

[00:18:04] And it seems like a problem that many red states are

[00:18:07] actually having.

[00:18:08] They are a red state, but then oftentimes the

[00:18:12] legislation that's passing isn't as conservative as you

[00:18:15] would think would come out of a red state.

[00:18:17] That's correct.

[00:18:19] People I find that all of my friends that I sit with in the

[00:18:25] House chamber are all good people, but they're not

[00:18:29] considering the long-term outcomes when they pass a bill.

[00:18:33] They don't know what the unintended consequences are,

[00:18:35] and we're constantly going back the next session to put a

[00:18:39] band-aid on the unintended consequences.

[00:18:42] We have to have another bill to fix that unintended

[00:18:45] consequences.

[00:18:46] And across the state right now, there are 11 Freedom Caucuses.

[00:18:51] Across the country?

[00:18:53] Across the country, sorry.

[00:18:54] Across the country.

[00:18:56] And they are having just as many problems as we are.

[00:18:59] They have more numbers in their caucus, but the probably

[00:19:05] more moderate people that are in their chambers don't want

[00:19:10] their input.

[00:19:12] They don't want to cause waves because they don't want the

[00:19:16] people to know what is really going on under that gold dome,

[00:19:19] as most people don't.

[00:19:21] They think they were insulated and they don't have to worry

[00:19:25] about the people that are outside that you were supposed

[00:19:27] to be representing and who voted you in office.

[00:19:30] Places like Idaho, I believe it is, that they were...

[00:19:35] It's funny because that's exactly what I was thinking about.

[00:19:37] Go ahead.

[00:19:38] Yes.

[00:19:39] They actually, the Speaker of their House, removed all of

[00:19:43] their furniture so they couldn't even have any kind of

[00:19:46] meeting in their own office.

[00:19:48] Now that guy did not vote for those legislators.

[00:19:53] It was their districts that voted and obviously they want

[00:19:56] them in that seat.

[00:19:58] So for someone to cut them out is absolutely ludicrous.

[00:20:03] Exactly what they did to Senator Colton Moore right

[00:20:07] here in Georgia.

[00:20:09] The Republican caucus in the Senate voted to remove him

[00:20:13] from the caucus because they didn't want him causing them

[00:20:17] issues in their district when he was out there touting

[00:20:20] what exactly was going on with their votes.

[00:20:23] Speaking of Colton Moore and some of the things that

[00:20:27] expose the differences that you guys do versus others in

[00:20:32] the state legislature, you and I and Colton spoke at

[00:20:36] a press conference last summer, late summer after the

[00:20:41] indictments in Georgia and you guys were pushing for

[00:20:44] the impeachment of Fannie Willis or at least you

[00:20:46] bring the potential articles of impeachment to debate

[00:20:50] it in the chambers.

[00:20:52] And there were not really any other members of the

[00:20:57] House standing with you or the Senate standing with

[00:20:59] him.

[00:21:00] Why is that?

[00:21:01] One, they don't want to get involved.

[00:21:04] One, they don't believe that there was any fraud so

[00:21:08] there was no reason to do anything against former

[00:21:13] President Trump.

[00:21:16] We started a letter in August of last year and asked

[00:21:21] our House members and Senate members to sign on so

[00:21:25] that we could start a process against Fannie Willis.

[00:21:29] Not one person signed on.

[00:21:31] They were sent to the governor, it was sent to the

[00:21:34] attorney general and we asked all of our House

[00:21:36] members.

[00:21:37] No one wanted to participate.

[00:21:39] I mean who knows why?

[00:21:41] Everybody has their own reason.

[00:21:43] They don't want to be seen in the limelight trying

[00:21:45] to cause trouble.

[00:21:46] This is why we have been elected not to sit on

[00:21:49] the sideline.

[00:21:50] I then filed a resolution for impeachment of Fannie

[00:21:55] Willis because it has, impeachment comes from

[00:21:58] the House side and then the Senate must do the

[00:22:01] investigation.

[00:22:02] So, but unfortunately no one wanted to hear my

[00:22:08] resolution in the House because they didn't want

[00:22:13] the limelight to be shining on them of reasons

[00:22:17] why they weren't taking this up.

[00:22:20] So there I sat all by myself with the articles

[00:22:23] of impeachment and now look where we are and

[00:22:26] Fannie Willis being investigated in all sorts of

[00:22:29] ways you would think one would say I wonder why

[00:22:33] we didn't impeach her when we could.

[00:22:36] Right and what you were doing in late last summer

[00:22:40] after the indictments in Georgia came out and for

[00:22:43] those who are not aware the indictments included

[00:22:45] President Trump along with people who were electors

[00:22:49] in Georgia and attorneys and people who worked

[00:22:52] for him in the White House and others, some of them

[00:22:56] seem rather random from other parts of the

[00:22:58] country who wound up being indicted for

[00:23:01] challenging an election which is legal in Georgia

[00:23:05] and happened to you and an election was

[00:23:07] actually overturned of your election.

[00:23:12] What you are trying to do is beyond just what

[00:23:15] is happening to President Trump and those who

[00:23:17] are indicted.

[00:23:18] It is protecting the integrity of the entire

[00:23:22] system.

[00:23:23] All of those people whether they are Republican

[00:23:26] or Democrat they may be in the same boat at

[00:23:28] some point and need to challenge an election.

[00:23:30] There may be true irregularities that happen

[00:23:33] where they need the court to take a look at

[00:23:37] what happened and determine is it enough

[00:23:39] that it creates and casts doubt on the outcome

[00:23:43] of the election and should the election be

[00:23:45] overturned or not.

[00:23:47] But when we turn legal activity into crimes

[00:23:50] it really creates a problem for the entire system.

[00:23:53] It does indeed.

[00:23:55] Certainly there were people like Al Gore,

[00:24:00] Hillary Clinton, Stacey Abrams said exactly

[00:24:04] the same thing that President Trump said

[00:24:06] that there was issues with the election.

[00:24:10] There was nothing done to them because they

[00:24:13] called people out on the election.

[00:24:17] So to me this is once again the double standards

[00:24:20] that we are living under right now.

[00:24:22] We are also talking about our First Amendment right.

[00:24:25] All they did was state that there were some

[00:24:28] misgivings about the election.

[00:24:32] I don't know that they ever used the word

[00:24:34] fraud.

[00:24:35] They were just expressing themselves to the

[00:24:38] public that they had grave concern about the

[00:24:41] election process.

[00:24:42] So if we are now looking at what they are

[00:24:45] doing to those people, former President Trump

[00:24:48] and the 18 other people that were indicted as

[00:24:51] well, then we all should be concerned because

[00:24:54] at any time someone could knock on our door

[00:24:57] and accuse us of anything and we could go

[00:24:59] the same route.

[00:25:01] That's exactly right.

[00:25:03] So your letter was calling for a special

[00:25:06] session of the legislature to look into

[00:25:09] whether an impeachment article should even be

[00:25:12] introduced or not.

[00:25:13] So it was a special session and it requires a

[00:25:16] super majority or the act of a governor to

[00:25:19] have a special session in Georgia.

[00:25:21] And then during the session they didn't want

[00:25:23] to hear anything about it and towards the

[00:25:26] end of the session they were doing some

[00:25:29] investigations in the Senate into Fannie

[00:25:33] Willis and her behavior because Michael Roman,

[00:25:38] who is one of the people who has been

[00:25:40] indicted and his attorney and then others

[00:25:42] afterwards have raised legitimate concerns

[00:25:46] about whether there were conflicts of

[00:25:48] interest with what she did.

[00:25:50] And now the appeals court is going to hear,

[00:25:55] it just seems like there's always this

[00:25:57] desire to just sort of kick the can,

[00:25:59] it's like a hot potato, it's not even

[00:26:01] kicking the can down the road, it's like

[00:26:02] I don't want to touch it, let me throw

[00:26:03] it away to someone else because nobody

[00:26:05] wants the responsibility of having to deal

[00:26:07] with it if it's in their hand.

[00:26:08] But you were willing to.

[00:26:10] Indeed, going back to the whole election

[00:26:13] integrity part of it, if we don't stand

[00:26:16] up and take a strong stand against

[00:26:20] these types of things, what's going to

[00:26:22] happen in the future?

[00:26:23] I mean look what we're fighting now

[00:26:25] and what may happen in November.

[00:26:27] We have no idea.

[00:26:28] I mean I know every day it seems like

[00:26:30] we are talking to more people in the

[00:26:33] district and they are still very

[00:26:35] concerned of how their vote will be

[00:26:37] counted, whether it's going to go in a

[00:26:39] box and it will never be seen.

[00:26:41] We need transparency more than ever

[00:26:44] when we are talking about election

[00:26:46] integrity.

[00:26:47] It's one of the rights that people

[00:26:49] fought and died for, men and women

[00:26:51] went out and are protecting the

[00:26:53] freedoms of this country and that is

[00:26:55] one of the freedoms that we fought

[00:26:56] for, for the ability to go out and

[00:26:58] vote and it should be taken care of

[00:27:00] and we should be talking about all of

[00:27:03] the integrity that goes with an

[00:27:04] election and we are not.

[00:27:06] And that's, that is concerning because

[00:27:10] so many of our leaders are failing to

[00:27:12] do their job.

[00:27:13] It's true and leadership isn't fun

[00:27:18] sometimes.

[00:27:19] Like you have to make the tough

[00:27:21] decisions.

[00:27:22] Sometimes you have to do things that

[00:27:23] your friends don't like because

[00:27:25] you're doing what's right or you're

[00:27:27] trying to get people to follow or

[00:27:29] you know it's what is expected of

[00:27:33] you.

[00:27:34] And it's tough.

[00:27:36] Sometimes it's really tough and when

[00:27:38] you do that all of the attention and

[00:27:41] there is positive attention of course

[00:27:43] but also negative attention, zeros in

[00:27:46] on you and you start taking a lot

[00:27:48] of flack for it.

[00:27:50] And you and Colton experienced that

[00:27:52] last summer.

[00:27:53] We certainly have.

[00:27:54] There's a lot of arrows that are

[00:27:55] thrown for sure.

[00:27:57] You have to be strong in who you

[00:27:59] are and you have to be strong in

[00:28:01] what you believe because when you

[00:28:03] take on those types of people, you

[00:28:05] know that at some point there could

[00:28:07] be consequences.

[00:28:08] You never know.

[00:28:09] I have to say from the house side

[00:28:11] they have not removed me from the

[00:28:13] caucus.

[00:28:14] They, that would be to me a

[00:28:17] huge mistake removing you from your

[00:28:19] own caucus.

[00:28:20] It brings even more highlight to

[00:28:22] someone that has removed Colton

[00:28:24] Moore from his caucus.

[00:28:26] It puts them all in a bad light

[00:28:28] because they have now taken action

[00:28:30] against one of their own.

[00:28:32] He stands alone in the Senate all

[00:28:34] the time.

[00:28:35] I have to applaud him.

[00:28:37] He is extremely outspoken and he

[00:28:39] stands upright every single day.

[00:28:41] Doesn't matter how many arrows he's

[00:28:43] taken and I just applaud and

[00:28:45] appreciate him for what he is doing

[00:28:47] from the Senate side and he stands

[00:28:49] with me from the house side and we

[00:28:51] together continue to hold each other

[00:28:53] up.

[00:28:54] We just have to be strong.

[00:28:56] We just enjoy each other's company

[00:28:58] and we know it's a difficult task

[00:29:00] but someone has to do it because if

[00:29:02] not things will remain the same.

[00:29:04] That is correct.

[00:29:06] Now, I want to, you remember how

[00:29:08] you just said it your previously,

[00:29:11] Sue, you were elected from 2004,

[00:29:14] you were elected in 2004 and began

[00:29:16] in 2005 and stayed in office

[00:29:19] through the end of 2012 and you

[00:29:22] lost an election and then you

[00:29:24] went back and ran again later which

[00:29:27] must have been not a fun decision

[00:29:29] for you to make.

[00:29:31] You knew the positives and the

[00:29:33] negatives of it but you still did

[00:29:35] that and I'm glad that you did.

[00:29:37] But back then you met in room 216

[00:29:40] and I'm not saying that the

[00:29:42] current speaker or the current

[00:29:44] House leadership had anything to do

[00:29:46] with this but didn't you guys get

[00:29:48] kicked out of a room in the

[00:29:50] house?

[00:29:52] We did.

[00:29:54] We used room 216 and there was a

[00:29:57] legislator that wanted a bill to

[00:29:59] come to the house floor to pass

[00:30:01] and hopefully to pass and it was

[00:30:03] about tax cuts.

[00:30:05] The Speaker of the House at the

[00:30:07] time, they made a deal and the

[00:30:10] deal was that you give up the

[00:30:12] 216 club and move on and I will

[00:30:16] let your bill come to the house

[00:30:17] floor for a vote.

[00:30:19] So there were many that scattered

[00:30:22] because they did not want to be

[00:30:24] associated any longer with the

[00:30:26] 216 so there were probably at the

[00:30:29] time maybe two handfuls, about 10

[00:30:32] people that stuck to it where we

[00:30:34] still met every single morning to

[00:30:36] discuss the bills that were coming

[00:30:38] to the house floor for a vote.

[00:30:40] But again that dwindled as well

[00:30:42] because one, people didn't have the

[00:30:44] time to put together the

[00:30:47] read all the bills that we were

[00:30:49] going to discuss.

[00:30:50] They didn't want the leadership to

[00:30:52] know they were still part of it

[00:30:54] because everybody, a lot of people

[00:30:56] at the Capitol want to be in the

[00:30:58] inner circle and if you are

[00:31:01] outside of the inner circle and

[00:31:03] you have been told not to do

[00:31:04] something and then you continue to

[00:31:06] do it, you are going to be

[00:31:08] excommunicated.

[00:31:09] That's not good.

[00:31:10] And in Idaho they're really

[00:31:12] finding that out.

[00:31:13] They are.

[00:31:14] I mean it's horrible and

[00:31:16] the leadership must remember that

[00:31:19] we were voted by our district.

[00:31:22] There is not one person under the

[00:31:24] gold dome that votes for me.

[00:31:26] But I do vote for them.

[00:31:28] One is like the governor,

[00:31:30] lieutenant governor, those people

[00:31:31] and also we have to vote for

[00:31:33] the speaker of the house.

[00:31:34] So those are the votes that I

[00:31:36] cast.

[00:31:37] They don't vote for me so I

[00:31:38] should be standing for my

[00:31:40] community and my district and my

[00:31:42] county to know exactly what they

[00:31:45] want, not what the people in the

[00:31:47] gold dome want.

[00:31:48] And you do that well and you

[00:31:51] have gone door to door to get

[00:31:53] elected.

[00:31:54] I think a lot of the others in

[00:31:57] the Capitol haven't done that so

[00:31:59] they haven't had those face to

[00:32:01] face conversations with the

[00:32:03] constituents the same way that

[00:32:05] you have, not that they're not

[00:32:07] having conversations but at the

[00:32:08] door it's much different than

[00:32:10] seeing someone in the grocery

[00:32:11] store doing a town hall

[00:32:12] meeting and then you also are

[00:32:13] very involved with town hall

[00:32:14] meetings and updating your

[00:32:16] constituents and staying in

[00:32:18] touch and listening to them.

[00:32:20] I do.

[00:32:21] It's very important once you

[00:32:22] are elected, you need to let

[00:32:24] everyone know what is going on

[00:32:26] at the Capitol.

[00:32:27] So having a town hall meeting

[00:32:29] once a week or monthly for

[00:32:32] sure and then having going into

[00:32:35] districts to meet with HOAs

[00:32:38] just giving you the ability to

[00:32:40] have time to talk.

[00:32:41] I belong to civic organizations

[00:32:43] and they proudly let me speak on

[00:32:46] what's going on.

[00:32:47] And it's not to talk about

[00:32:49] whether it's right or wrong or

[00:32:50] good or bad.

[00:32:51] It's just what this is very

[00:32:53] informational.

[00:32:54] And I think that is important

[00:32:55] so that your constituents know

[00:32:57] who you are and what you were

[00:32:58] doing for them.

[00:32:59] I put things in three silos as

[00:33:03] a state legislator.

[00:33:05] One is by constitution, Georgia

[00:33:08] Constitution, we must pass a

[00:33:09] budget.

[00:33:10] Number two is to pass or appeal

[00:33:12] laws and number three is

[00:33:14] constituent services and the

[00:33:16] constituent services is where

[00:33:18] you are reaching out to your

[00:33:20] community where people come and

[00:33:22] meet you so that they know

[00:33:23] that you are part of their

[00:33:25] community whether you belong to

[00:33:27] civic organizations or the

[00:33:28] Chamber of Commerce or your

[00:33:30] church in Sunday School.

[00:33:31] These are all important things

[00:33:33] if you are going to be

[00:33:35] elected and remain elected

[00:33:37] no one wants you to go into a

[00:33:39] box once you are elected and

[00:33:41] not see you or hear from you.

[00:33:43] So I put out a newsletter on a

[00:33:45] weekly basis.

[00:33:46] I do my own handheld videos so

[00:33:49] that I can tell people about

[00:33:51] a bill and we know that

[00:33:52] everything has to be done in

[00:33:53] short clips.

[00:33:54] So they last for 45 seconds

[00:33:56] just so you can get a general

[00:33:58] sense of it and if you need

[00:33:59] to call and talk to me

[00:34:00] about a bill, I gladly pick up

[00:34:03] that telephone call.

[00:34:04] I tell people that I'm going

[00:34:06] to be a good person and I tell

[00:34:08] people all the time it's a lot

[00:34:10] easier to vote no than it is

[00:34:12] yes because you can justify your

[00:34:14] no a lot easier than you can

[00:34:16] justify your yes.

[00:34:18] It's elaborate on that.

[00:34:20] So the budget, all right?

[00:34:23] We have a big budget and a

[00:34:25] little budget.

[00:34:26] Our little budget which is

[00:34:28] called a supplemental budget.

[00:34:29] We do that in March this year

[00:34:33] and then we vote for the large

[00:34:36] budget which is for the budget

[00:34:38] for 2025.

[00:34:39] I am the only no vote.

[00:34:42] It's tough being the only no

[00:34:44] vote on many occasions but if

[00:34:47] we stop funding certain things,

[00:34:50] for instance, the DA's office,

[00:34:53] they wouldn't be able to exist

[00:34:55] but we keep funding those

[00:34:57] kinds of things and then

[00:34:59] another thing is that we give

[00:35:01] raises to everybody who is in

[00:35:03] government.

[00:35:04] No evaluation, no anything but

[00:35:08] everybody across the board gets

[00:35:10] a raise.

[00:35:11] Now if you don't, if the

[00:35:13] budget were never to pass we

[00:35:15] could stop a whole lot of

[00:35:17] stuff but we also have to

[00:35:18] keep in mind people continue

[00:35:20] to vote for the budget because

[00:35:21] they have a little piece in

[00:35:23] their district or getting a new

[00:35:25] healthcare center or a new

[00:35:28] technical school.

[00:35:30] Things that go into your

[00:35:32] district, they want to vote

[00:35:34] for it.

[00:35:35] But I am a no vote and when

[00:35:37] that's what I'm talking about

[00:35:39] it's easier to justify your

[00:35:40] no.

[00:35:41] I know there's a lot of other

[00:35:42] good things in a bill to take

[00:35:44] care of maybe the elderly or a

[00:35:46] child that has a particular

[00:35:48] disease but that is all part of

[00:35:51] the big budget and I can't

[00:35:53] vote for a lot of the bad

[00:35:55] stuff when there is also good

[00:35:57] stuff.

[00:35:58] Transportation is one.

[00:35:59] Sure we just did $2 billion

[00:36:01] worth for transportation but I

[00:36:03] voted no on our budget because

[00:36:05] we need transportation but there

[00:36:07] were too many bad things in

[00:36:09] the bill that I didn't believe

[00:36:11] in.

[00:36:12] I'm glad that you're willing

[00:36:14] to do that and it winds up

[00:36:16] being really tough to explain.

[00:36:18] Why do you keep funding the

[00:36:20] DA's office who is creating a

[00:36:23] two-tiered system of justice

[00:36:25] or other issues that may

[00:36:27] exist that people are voting

[00:36:29] for?

[00:36:30] I think it's harder to justify

[00:36:32] some of it because there's so

[00:36:34] many bad things that wind up

[00:36:36] getting approved.

[00:36:37] That's true.

[00:36:38] There are so many things that

[00:36:40] you probably don't know as a

[00:36:42] taxpayer what we are funding.

[00:36:44] It's astounding and when I

[00:36:46] tell people their eyes just

[00:36:48] become really big and they go

[00:36:50] really?

[00:36:51] That is unbelievable.

[00:36:52] Why are we funding that?

[00:36:54] Because somebody asked for it

[00:36:56] and now we're going to give

[00:36:58] them the money to take back to

[00:37:00] their districts so they can say

[00:37:02] they did a great thing.

[00:37:03] It's crazy.

[00:37:04] It's just crazy.

[00:37:05] It's so frustrating and you

[00:37:06] and I have complained about

[00:37:07] those kind of issues for a

[00:37:09] long, long time.

[00:37:11] You moved here prior to being

[00:37:14] here you were in Hong Kong

[00:37:16] weren't you?

[00:37:17] That's correct.

[00:37:18] And you and your husband were

[00:37:20] there when it changed from

[00:37:22] English control to Chinese

[00:37:24] control.

[00:37:25] Right.

[00:37:26] And weren't you in the League

[00:37:27] of Women Voters?

[00:37:28] Were you the president of the

[00:37:29] League of Women Voters?

[00:37:30] I was.

[00:37:31] I was the president of the

[00:37:32] League of Women Voters in

[00:37:33] Hong Kong but it was very

[00:37:34] different considering League

[00:37:37] of Women Voters here in the

[00:37:39] states.

[00:37:40] Over in Hong Kong we would

[00:37:41] have speakers that would come

[00:37:43] to our meetings.

[00:37:44] It could have been Newt

[00:37:45] Gingrich at the time.

[00:37:46] It could have been the

[00:37:48] Patton was his name at the

[00:37:50] time when I was there but he

[00:37:52] would come and speak and when

[00:37:54] we would meet we would talk

[00:37:55] about various topics from

[00:37:57] everyone's country and how it

[00:37:59] was good, how it was bad,

[00:38:00] what they would do to change

[00:38:01] if they had been duly

[00:38:02] elected.

[00:38:03] So it was a great process to

[00:38:06] learn and prepare for when I

[00:38:07] came back to the states to

[00:38:09] know exactly what my mission

[00:38:10] was, what my God given

[00:38:12] purpose was to get involved

[00:38:14] in the political world.

[00:38:16] Over in Hong Kong things were

[00:38:18] very different of course being

[00:38:19] under British rule.

[00:38:21] It seemed like everything was

[00:38:23] free like America has been in

[00:38:25] the past changing a bit but

[00:38:28] for that time the British, I

[00:38:32] think it was his Prime

[00:38:33] Minister.

[00:38:34] I can't remember if he and

[00:38:37] so it was terrific.

[00:38:39] I mean they had the American

[00:38:40] Club which I think they still

[00:38:41] have the American Club and

[00:38:43] in 1998 when the Chinese

[00:38:46] after their 100 years at

[00:38:48] hate given to the British

[00:38:50] they, we watched the Britannia

[00:38:53] with Prince Charles leave the

[00:38:56] harbor on his yacht and

[00:38:59] watched the military of China

[00:39:03] move in the back door to be

[00:39:05] quietly held in place for

[00:39:08] supposedly another 50 years.

[00:39:10] China was not supposed to come

[00:39:12] and let Hong Kong remain

[00:39:14] their own country, their own

[00:39:17] political system but as we

[00:39:19] know now that did not happen,

[00:39:21] 50 years did not happen.

[00:39:23] It was more like 20 or 25 years

[00:39:25] if I think that's correct.

[00:39:27] So coming back to the states

[00:39:28] after that was set my course

[00:39:31] for the political realm.

[00:39:33] And if somebody is thinking of

[00:39:35] running for office what would you

[00:39:37] recommend?

[00:39:38] Don't do it.

[00:39:39] I knew you were going to say

[00:39:41] that but if they feel like

[00:39:44] they're being called to do

[00:39:46] that or they think they can

[00:39:48] really make a difference, what's

[00:39:50] the kind of advice that you give

[00:39:52] to people who ask you about it?

[00:39:54] Sure.

[00:39:55] One of my favorite quotes these

[00:39:56] days is if you're not at the

[00:39:57] table you're on the menu.

[00:39:59] And that is true for anything.

[00:40:01] And if you really want to make

[00:40:02] change you have to be on the

[00:40:03] inside which is why I ran

[00:40:05] again in 2019.

[00:40:08] So I do tell people that

[00:40:10] number one be sure that you

[00:40:11] understand that you are giving

[00:40:13] up a lot especially family and

[00:40:15] your spouse or your family

[00:40:17] has to be part of it because it

[00:40:18] is a rough road when you want

[00:40:20] to run for office.

[00:40:22] Number two is if you are

[00:40:23] planning a run for office say

[00:40:25] two years from now start

[00:40:27] planning, start joining your

[00:40:29] civic organizations, make sure

[00:40:31] that you're out front at the

[00:40:32] chamber events, making sure

[00:40:34] that you are attending a church

[00:40:36] and going to Sunday school and

[00:40:37] any and everything else to be

[00:40:39] involved in your community.

[00:40:40] Become a political activist as

[00:40:42] well.

[00:40:43] Start going to your meetings

[00:40:45] at the Cherokee County

[00:40:46] Republican Party or any other

[00:40:48] organizations that may have

[00:40:49] politics so that you know what

[00:40:51] is going on so that you can

[00:40:52] intelligently talk about

[00:40:54] issues.

[00:40:56] That would be start it now

[00:40:57] and start early.

[00:40:59] Be prepared in 18 months if

[00:41:02] you are going to run for

[00:41:03] office to know exactly what you

[00:41:05] want to say and what you plan

[00:41:07] to do and why you're running

[00:41:08] for the office.

[00:41:09] Don't just tell me that

[00:41:10] you're running because I've

[00:41:11] always wanted to do this.

[00:41:13] This is not an answer for me.

[00:41:15] May it be, it should be some

[00:41:17] kind of driven reason like

[00:41:19] illegal immigration.

[00:41:20] There is a gentleman that's

[00:41:22] running for office right now

[00:41:24] and one of his family members

[00:41:26] was actually murdered by an

[00:41:28] illegal.

[00:41:29] That's what's motivated him to

[00:41:31] run.

[00:41:32] Find an issue.

[00:41:33] Stick to two or three issues.

[00:41:34] Be prepared for anything and be

[00:41:37] knowledgeable.

[00:41:38] You want more than anything to

[00:41:40] have name recognition.

[00:41:42] You want to have a name

[00:41:43] recognition in the community by

[00:41:45] the time you're ready to step

[00:41:47] in and run for public office.

[00:41:49] That's really good advice.

[00:41:51] Also, you can't take any of

[00:41:53] that for granted, right?

[00:41:54] Because even if you have a

[00:41:56] lot of name recognition or how

[00:41:58] to respond, campaigns wind up

[00:42:01] being very unpredictable.

[00:42:02] Unpredictable one and number

[00:42:04] two is always costly but number

[00:42:06] three you always have to have

[00:42:08] a really good campaign manager

[00:42:09] like Jenny Beth Martin.

[00:42:11] I'm a campaign manager for two

[00:42:14] terms.

[00:42:15] We won, as you can tell because

[00:42:17] I'm sitting here now, and

[00:42:19] without someone that is a

[00:42:21] strong believer in you and

[00:42:23] what you're doing and your

[00:42:25] campaign, you really can't get

[00:42:28] a lot done because you need a

[00:42:30] strong, strong person that

[00:42:32] has been involved in the

[00:42:34] community and political

[00:42:36] activism just as much as you

[00:42:38] as the candidate.

[00:42:39] When you're thinking of that,

[00:42:41] oftentimes, especially in a

[00:42:42] local campaign, the campaign

[00:42:44] manager winds up being someone

[00:42:45] who's local.

[00:42:46] I was just a volunteer.

[00:42:49] But you and that person and

[00:42:52] your spouse all have to have

[00:42:54] very thick skin.

[00:42:55] You can't let things, you

[00:42:57] can't take it personally.

[00:42:58] Even though it's very

[00:42:59] personal, you have to be able

[00:43:00] to just go, it's just a

[00:43:02] campaign and we have to just

[00:43:03] keep plowing through and

[00:43:05] almost put blinders on.

[00:43:07] You do.

[00:43:08] You cannot, and I made this

[00:43:10] promise to myself and to my

[00:43:12] husband that if there was

[00:43:14] anything that upset me that I

[00:43:16] was not going to cry in

[00:43:17] public, I would go home and

[00:43:18] cry.

[00:43:19] If you were angry about

[00:43:21] something and you were about

[00:43:22] to write it down and put it

[00:43:24] in an email or any other

[00:43:25] thing in writing, go home,

[00:43:27] sleep on it, and then

[00:43:29] delete, those kinds of things

[00:43:31] that you have to learn and

[00:43:33] you do have to grow a thick

[00:43:34] skin.

[00:43:35] And I don't believe that it's

[00:43:36] personal against you as an

[00:43:38] individual, but it's really

[00:43:40] the policy or the issue that

[00:43:42] they are so passionate about.

[00:43:44] I am very passionate about a

[00:43:46] lot of issues.

[00:43:47] I am very black and white,

[00:43:49] but there is a lot of people

[00:43:50] that's in between and they

[00:43:52] want to have those

[00:43:53] conversations and you have

[00:43:55] to have, you can agree to

[00:43:57] disagree in a respectful

[00:44:00] manner and you don't have

[00:44:01] to take everything personally

[00:44:03] because you can't, because

[00:44:04] you would spend a lot of

[00:44:05] time denying.

[00:44:06] Right or getting really

[00:44:07] angry and doing foolish

[00:44:09] things.

[00:44:10] Stupid things, yes,

[00:44:11] absolutely.

[00:44:12] I think that's really good

[00:44:13] advice that you laid out

[00:44:16] there and people should

[00:44:17] listen to it.

[00:44:18] And we need more people who

[00:44:19] truly are conservative to

[00:44:20] step up and run for office.

[00:44:23] We do.

[00:44:24] I would love to see many

[00:44:26] more conservatives.

[00:44:28] When you talk about

[00:44:29] conservativism though,

[00:44:31] everybody's definition is

[00:44:32] very different.

[00:44:34] And the only way you're gonna actually know

[00:44:36] if someone is conservative,

[00:44:38] you can say anything on the campaign trail

[00:44:40] until you have to cast those ballots on the screen

[00:44:43] where it's either green or red.

[00:44:45] You then find out how conservative someone is.

[00:44:48] Many of my colleagues call themselves conservatives.

[00:44:51] But when I see their vote,

[00:44:54] I beg to differ on those issues for sure.

[00:44:57] Yeah, and I'm sure that I would differ with him as well.

[00:45:03] But we see the same thing happening in the House

[00:45:06] and the Senate on Capitol Hill.

[00:45:08] The things that I think should be no brainer votes

[00:45:15] for people who are Republican, it isn't.

[00:45:20] They have a different definition

[00:45:21] or they're looking at a different calculus.

[00:45:23] That's correct and I think that's why we have a pillar,

[00:45:26] those four pillars, so that you can decide

[00:45:29] and think about the other votes that you must make

[00:45:32] and we don't get involved in some issues

[00:45:35] so that we are not voting yes or no.

[00:45:37] It's like a neutral, you need to vote

[00:45:39] however you think you need to.

[00:45:42] Again, I wanna repeat that they are not telling me

[00:45:45] how to vote, I make that decision on my own.

[00:45:48] But you do need to understand the entirety

[00:45:53] of the four pillars and how we need to get back

[00:45:57] to the freedoms and liberties that we have so grown

[00:46:01] to cherish and now we have moved so far away

[00:46:05] from those freedoms and liberties

[00:46:06] and that is a concern that all of us

[00:46:09] as not only Georgians but across America

[00:46:13] that we should be concerned about our freedom

[00:46:16] and liberties being taken away.

[00:46:18] So if you were giving final advice

[00:46:22] to either legislators or to voters,

[00:46:25] what would be the final things you would say?

[00:46:28] Number one would be read the bill.

[00:46:30] Number two, give it serious consideration

[00:46:32] and put those four pillars in front of you

[00:46:36] so that we are not giving away all of the money

[00:46:40] that we bring in as new revenue.

[00:46:42] Make sure that you cautiously and carefully consider

[00:46:47] before voting and how it's going to affect

[00:46:51] other people in the community and in our state.

[00:46:55] I try to vote not so much on individual bills

[00:47:00] that will affect one or two people

[00:47:02] or maybe a dozen people but how it affects

[00:47:05] everybody across the state of Georgia.

[00:47:07] We are so used to voting for winners and losers,

[00:47:10] tax exemptions for certain companies

[00:47:12] but we don't give it to these other companies.

[00:47:15] Why is that?

[00:47:16] So if we're voting for something,

[00:47:18] everyone should see the same benefit.

[00:47:20] So I would suggest that you vote

[00:47:24] so I would suggest if you plan on voting,

[00:47:27] do all of those things first so that you understand

[00:47:30] that every vote and every bill that becomes a law

[00:47:34] takes someone's right away whether you agree with it or not.

[00:47:39] That is very good advice.

[00:47:41] Well Charlie Spurt, thank you so much

[00:47:43] for being with me today

[00:47:44] and for being such a strong conservative in Georgia.

[00:47:47] Thank you Jenny Baff.

[00:47:48] It was great to be part of this for sure

[00:47:50] and our relationship has grown exponentially

[00:47:53] through the years and always look forward

[00:47:55] to sitting down and chatting with you.

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