On March 3, 1.9 million Texans voted for a five-word proposition on the Republican primary ballot: “Texas should prohibit Sharia law.” Jenny Beth Martin sits down with national-security veteran Frank Gaffney to unpack that result and the legal battles now spreading across the country.
This conversation focuses on the documented news: the Texas proposition vote, the 400-acre development originally marketed as Epic City and since rebranded “the Meadow,” and the injunctions filed by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. Gaffney and Martin walk through Florida and Texas efforts to designate the Muslim Brotherhood and the Council on American-Islamic Relations as terrorist organizations, the court ruling that pushed back on the CAIR designation in Florida, and Governor Greg Abbott’s statement that prohibiting Sharia law in Texas is “a certitude.”
Gaffney also recounts the exchange he had with Senator Ted Cruz on the constitutional line between practicing your own faith and being compelled to submit to someone else’s — and explains why he believes the workable legal path targets conduct already illegal under U.S. law, such as sedition, rather than belief.
In this episode:
- The five-word Texas proposition and the 1.9 million votes behind it
- Epic City, the rebrand to “the Meadow,” and Ken Paxton’s injunctions
- Florida, Texas, and the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR designations
- The CAIR court ruling and the “conduct, not belief” legal strategy
- Senator Ted Cruz on religious liberty vs. compelled submission
- The Sharia Free Pledge campaign and the oath of office
Frank Gaffney is president of the Institute for the American Future and host of Securing America on Real America’s Voice. He founded and led the Center for Security Policy for 37 years, worked on the Senate Armed Services Committee under President Reagan, and served as Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense.
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00:00 — Cold Open & Introduction
02:47 — Frank Gaffney’s National-Security Background
04:49 — The Campaign to Ban Sharia: What It Argues
27:11 — Bringing the Question Home + the Britain Comparison
34:41 — Epic City and the Rebrand to “the Meadow”
36:48 — Ken Paxton’s Injunctions and the Legal Status
43:38 — Constitutional Rights and Ted Cruz on Religious Liberty
48:05 — 1.9 Million Texans Vote on the Proposition
56:44 — Reagan, Resolve, and the Stakes
58:32 — Florida, CAIR, and the “Conduct, Not Belief” Strategy
1:03:33 — Greg Abbott’s Designations and Close
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